Guest skadoosh Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Skadoosh is right. Alan Moore never fully went into all his powers. Before Watchmen with what is happening seems to prove their may be other aspects of his power we don't know about yet. Exactly, thank you. We do know though, that compared to other characters with similar powers, Manhattan is extremely limited in terms of range and raw power. By Dr. Manhattan's own words, if the Russians were to fire all of their nuclear missiles, he would only be able to stop about 80% of them. Well, firstly, this: You say that as if its unimpressive. The Russians had ridiculous amounts of missiles. They had enough to cover every square inch of the planet surface with explosion three times over. Stopping 80% of them in the maybe 15 minutes he had to intercept them seems pretty impressive. And secondly, Manhattan's powers are never stated in any significant detail, so we simply can't assume that he's all that limited in range and raw power. What we do know, for sure, is that he has a subatomic level of control over, seemingly, everything, and he sees in the 4th dimension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 We do know the extent of his powers. He himself has stated that he could only stop 80% of the Russian nukes. Not that that's unimpressive, but it doesn't stack up to many other characters with similar powers, Darkseid included. Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer, for example, can perform similar molecular manipulation and transmutation feats as Manhattan-- the difference is that those guys can turn suns into metal with a wave of their hands. Therefore, both are far more powerful than Manhattan. We don't know the extent of what he can do with his powers, but we do know his overall limit. Darkseid takes this, by the way. Manhattan can't kill Darkseid, but the Omega Effect should deal with Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deojusto Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 What bots? I can't see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest skadoosh Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Knowing that Manhattan has an apparent limit on how many nukes he can stop does not mean we know the extent of his powers, so he could have some ability, some form of molecular control, that we don't know about, that may allow him to effectively kill Darkseid. I doubt it, but my wasn't really that he could win, just that i think he's being underestimated. However, couldn't Manhattan keep him in some kind of bubble-force-field, or teleport him to another dimension, or something? He doesn't need to kill him to win the fight, does he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 You are severely underestimating the capabilities of Darkseid. The Father Box would effectively prevent the molecular control (if he had any) from killing Darkseid and if Dr. Manhattan does have some means of teleporting Darkseid to another dimension (we've only seen him teleport people within the same dimension), nothing prevents Darkseid from returning via a Boom Tube - and Darkseid easily has enough power to break through Manhattan's forcefield with relative ease. Even if Dr. Manhattan is overstated, I still don't see how he'd stack up against Darkseid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G4hardcore Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Or he then disintegrates Darkseid before he gets Omega-Beamed..?Have you read Watchmen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kainboa Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 snip Knowing that Manhattan has an apparent limit on how many nukes he can stop does not mean we know the extent of his powers This is to a certain point true, while we don't know the full extent of his power, we do however know that he does have a limit to his power. so he could have some ability, some form of molecular control, that we don't know about Yes, debating based on something that we have seen absolutely no proof of, that sounds like a wonderful idea.[/sarcasm] i think he's being underestimated. You think that he's being underestimated, so you try to debate based on powers that he might have, but has shown no evidence of having, that doesn't really help your case. couldn't Manhattan keep him in some kind of bubble-force-field, or teleport him to another dimension, or something? First off, we haven't seen Manhattan teleport people to other dimensions, nor teleport himself, so that line of thought is moot.Secondly, we haven't seen Manhattan create any kind of forcefield, that would stand up to the level of force that Darkseid is capable of delivering, even if he keeps it to purely physical force, so chance are that no, it wouldn't work. He doesn't need to kill him to win the fight, does he? No, but considering that we haven't seen anything from Manhattan, that Darkseid isn't capable of countering, in some way, there is absolutely no chance of that happening. Stop trying to boost Manhattans power, beyond what we've seen him actually do, it's equivalent to DBZ fanboys claiming that Brolly can blow up a galaxy, without proof, or any other fanboy, claiming that their chosen character is superior in one way or another, without any proof at all, and more often than not, with actual evidence contradicting their statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 snip Oh, yeah, i know nothing of this Father Box thing, so if Darkseid does have it in this fight and it does indeed have some way of completely shitting on Manhattan then cool, he loses, i wouldn't know. I don't actually think Manhattan wins this, i'm not sure at all, i think this is a very good fight, but Manhattan's abilities are so vague, and debating about him is therefore so speculative, that i think he gets underestimated a lot. snip You made some good points, i'll bear those ones in mind, although you made a few mistakes, and that last accusation was just silly. Have you read Watchmen? Yes. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callisto Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Match Final ResultsDarkseid: 15Doctor Manhattan: 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kainboa Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 You made some good points, i'll bear those ones in mind, although you made a few mistakes, and that last accusation was just silly. The last accusation is just silly, right. Knowing that Manhattan has an apparent limit on how many nukes he can stop does not mean we know the extent of his powers, so he could have some ability, some form of molecular control, that we don't know about, that may allow him to effectively kill Darkseid. I doubt it, but my wasn't really that he could win, just that i think he's being underestimated. However, couldn't Manhattan keep him in some kind of bubble-force-field, or teleport him to another dimension, or something? He doesn't need to kill him to win the fight, does he? I've bolded the part of your post, that is the important part, since you've apparently forgotten what you've posted. What you're saying, is that Manhattan 'might' have some power that 'we don't know about', that is the equivalent to random other fanboys saying that their chosen character, is capable of various things, when there's no evidence to support it, and in this case, we have Manhattans own words, his statement that he would only be able to catch 80% of the nukes fired, to support the case that he doesn't have that capability. So, precisely where are you different from any other fanboy? Also, I would like to know where you believe I've made a mistake, since I actually care about being right, rather than having my preferred character win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Wow, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kainboa Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Wow, man. If there's any part of my post, that you have trouble understanding, I don't mind trying to explain it using smaller words. And to restate, I would like to know where you believe I've made a mistake. It's easy to say the other posters have made a mistake, without actually pointing out what it is, however that also makes it completely useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Owch, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarvelFan15 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 60% of the nukes...Just 60%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 That number has changed an awful lot on this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarvelFan15 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I'm certain it's only 60%. Also, it wasn't from the words of Manhattan himself (leastways, not as related in the story). I'll go fetch the Graphic novel now just to be certain. EDIT: Yup, at least 60% of the missiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Cool, glad that's nicely confirmed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G4hardcore Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I'm certain it's only 60%. Also, it wasn't from the words of Manhattan himself (leastways, not as related in the story). I'll go fetch the Graphic novel now just to be certain. EDIT: Yup, at least 60% of the missiles.Beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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