terminator vs robocop vs predator vs jason

[Indolent]

You're spamming a lot more than me

[RakaiThwei]

To everyone saying that a T-800 is superior to the OCP Unit 001, where are you getting this conclusion from?

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[C.T.]

You're spamming a lot more than me

 

Like I said.

[Indolent]

MEh

[Indolent]

What would be your basis for Robocop being able to take the Terminator 800 model then?

[C.T.]

A lantern jaw of justice?

[Indolent]

Heh

[RakaiThwei]

What would be your basis for Robocop being able to take the Terminator 800 model then?

 

What do you mean by that? I mean I know that the author of this match strictly said from the first appearance, but should we account for the Expanded Universes for each of these particular characters or even their spin-off as far as capabilities are concerned? If not, then it pretty much limits every contender here.

 

Either way, I'll try my best to explain how OCP Unit 001 would be able to take out a T-800.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest skadoosh]

In their first Appearances.

 

So we go with Robocop 1, The Terminator 1, Predator 1, and Jason's first film.

 

That's what i was thinking, but they all have expanded stuff to consider.

 

To everyone saying that a T-800 is superior to the OCP Unit 001, where are you getting this conclusion from?

 

Well, while he is physically impressive, i've never seen Robocop do anything that proves he's as strong as a T-800, and he's definitely not as durable. The T-800s endoskeleton is a lot more durable than the kevlar-layered-titanium that Robocop is composed of. Robocop might, however, be faster, but T-800s are able to run and aim pretty quickly, so i'm not sure.

 

In terms of combat capability, other than in close combat, which the T-800 would be at least somewhat superior in for the afrementioned reasons, Robocop does have a pretty good automatic aiming system, from what i remember, but the T-800s have the same thing, or something of similar effect.

[comic_book_fan]

True, what Terminator is it?

t800 hundred the only reason i didn't say everyone from their first movie was because jason was not in the first friday the 13th.

[Guest skadoosh]

Thanks dude, and that does make sense. I'm sticking with my previous analysis.

[RakaiThwei]

Well, while he is physically impressive, i've never seen Robocop do anything that proves he's as strong as a T-800,

 

Looking at the technical aspects of the T-800, they are about as 40% stronger than the Series 600. The Series 600s were reported to lift up to 4,000 lbs. That's practically two tons right there, so an additional 40% of 4000 would be 5,600 lbs. A Series 800 would be about roughly a Class 3 in strength if they were to push themselves. That's strong but nothing which Robocop can't handle. The Series 850 is a lot stronger than the Series 800, as we see a heavily damaged 850 pressing an emergency blast door while running on it's secondary power cell. Had the 850 been on it's primary power cell, then that blast door would've been much easier to hold as it's secondary hydaulic systems would've been fired up.

 

Keep in mind that the Series 800 and Series 850 are different assembly lines. Think of like the first generation PS3 to the Slim PS3s.

 

Robocop on the other hand, is probably not exactly that far behind a T-800 and might possibly be considered equal if we are going strictly off from the first films of both Robocop and Terminator. We do see Robocop pushing off steel gerders off from him, after killing Boddicker and keep in mind that this is Robocop after he was battle damaged. Another scene showcasing Robocop's strength was when Bob Morton was shaking the detached and even unfinished hand of Robocop, and the grip appears to not even be applying it's full strength-- the technician even says: "It's 400 foot lbs, he could crush every bone in your hand." right before attaching the limb to the shoulder and proper hydraulics.

 

A similar feat was shown when the T-800 had crushed the Bouncer's hand in the original Terminator film.

 

Strictly by going the first films... Robocop and a T-800 are roughly comparable in strength. Perhaps about equal if not accounting for upgrades.

 

The T-800s endoskeleton is a lot more durable than the kevlar-layered-titanium that Robocop is composed of.

 

The T-800's Endoskeleton was revealed to be a titanium hyper-alloy. Exactly what process that particular alloy goes through is something I have to look into but both metals are infact the same-- titanium. Both were made to be extremely resilient against ballistics, and both do a great job in actually stopping bullet fire-- even against armor piercing rounds. However it would take something extremely high calibur to penetrate through both armor's.

 

Case in point-- the Military Grade on Board Weapons of the ED-209. The ED-209 was a cyborg meant for military pacification, not so much law enforcement. Never the less, ED-209's weapons were more than enough to potentially take out Robocop and even penetrate through his armor. Even then, after the ED-209 fight, Robocop was met with the OCP SWAT Team and they were equipped with armor piercing rounds-- initially, those armor piercing rounds were at first having a tough time in penetrating Robocop's armor at first, but with the fact that ED-209 weakened the chest plate only and the rest of the armor was still holding up, the rounds weren't getting through that easily. It took thousands of rounds just to damage Robocop, and even before those thousands of rounds from the SWAT, it took an ED-209 unit to weaken that armor.

 

Put a T-800's endoskeleton against an ED-209's firing and OCP SWAT Firing Range, I can gaurentee you the same damage would occur at the same rate as Robocop's armor was holding up.

 

The armor would perhaps be equal.

 

In terms of combat capability, other than in close combat, which the T-800 would be at least somewhat superior in for the afrementioned reasons, Robocop does have a pretty good automatic aiming system, from what i remember, but the T-800s have the same thing, or something of similar effect.

 

The T-800 does not have any onboard weapons with him, where as Robocop actually does if we do count the Auto 9 that is holstered in Robocop's leg. Also seen in the first movie, Robocop's eyes (or his helmet) is programmed with a thermographing vision-- in other words, infrared. The same vision which a T-800 is programmed with. And the head's up display units and automated targeting systems are almost comparable to each's own.

 

Really, a T-800 and Robocop are A LOT closer to each other than people are willing to admit..

 

As a matter of fact... Robocop IS SIMILAR to a T-800 even in build for an endoskeleton! Even the script for Robocop 2 depicted a scene where Murphy's facial skin is removed to reveal a T-800 head.

 

[Indolent]

Um, 40% would be an additional 1600, not 800.

[RakaiThwei]

Um, 40% would be an additional 1600, not 800.

 

My mistake. I asked Skir sometime ago and he said 800 but then again, my memory might be off.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Indolent]

Steel Girders aren't like extremely heavy in of themselves, they're like hundreds of pounds separately - I can understand they're heavy piling on someone but strictly lifting and removing them off himself (he wasn't covered entirely or anything) isn't the same as dead lifting something heavier in a single object compared to the girders.

 

I'd say he's a little under a T-800.

[RakaiThwei]

Steel Girders aren't like extremely heavy in of themselves, they're like hundreds of pounds separately - I can understand they're heavy piling on someone but strictly lifting and removing them off himself (he wasn't covered entirely or anything) isn't the same as dead lifting something heavier in a single object compared to the girders.

 

I actually googled that and I can say you're pretty much right as far as that's concerned.

 

I'd say he's a little under a T-800.

 

Mmmm... if we are going strictly off the first films and nothing else, you'd be right.

 

However the later films and even the comics (whatever publication of your choice) do show Robocop being on par with a T-800. I do recall that in Avatar Press' publication of Robocop, particularly one title-- Robocop: Killing Machine, he is shown to be lifting a car with the driver still in the seat clear over his head.

 

But since this is strictly going off the first films... Robocop's not that far behind.

 

But as for the winner of this fight.... I'm going to say Diablo Predator wins this.. Shoulder Plasma Caster. That's definitely a big worry for both Robocop and the T-800.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest skadoosh]

I was aware of almost all of that. I'm also well aware of how similar they are. I didn't say there was a particularly large margin between them, i just think that, due to what i've seen myself, i think a T-800 would be able to beat Robocop in a fight.

[Indolent]

A car is typically 1.5 tons - unless it was like a truck then usually around 2 tons - so he'd still be a bit behind regardless?

[RakaiThwei]

I was aware of almost all of that. I'm also well aware of how similar they are. I didn't say there was a particularly large margin between them, i just think that, due to what i've seen myself, i think a T-800 would be able to beat Robocop in a fight.

 

If anything I would say that a fight between a T-800 and OCP Unit 001 would be 50/50.

 

A car is typically 1.5 tons - unless it was like a truck then usually around 2 tons - so he'd still be a bit behind regardless?

 

Well since we're going off on the first films of each respective franchise, like I said you'd be right but I just got back into Robocop after wanting to go back into something other than Predator. And I've researched to potentially how strong Robocop could be-- to the fullest of his capabilities as far the complete materials between a T-800 and OCP Unit 001 are concerned.

 

According to the spin-off television series which takes place directly after the first Robocop, a similar feat was shown Robocop lifting an average sized car by the front with one arm. The car in Killing Machine, is hard to tell but it looked like your average car. However, to further show his strength in the TV series-- and this is me looking it up on the Robocop Wiki, he was strong enough to resist the crushing effort of a car compactor. Last time I checked on Google, a car compactor crushes cars with 10,000 lbs to do it. For Robocop to resist that, shows a some degree of what his strength is capable of.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Indolent]

It's a lot easier to resist than to lift something though - it's like the T850 resisting the blast door, doesn't mean he's capable of lifting that weight if you think about it but I can see he's closer than I thought.

[Guest skadoosh]

Seeing as Robocop is at least a little below a T-800, it would be more like 60/40.

[RakaiThwei]

It's a lot easier to resist than to lift something though - it's like the T850 resisting the blast door, doesn't mean he's capable of lifting that weight if you think about it but I can see he's closer than I thought.

 

Yeah someone had actually mentioned that it's a matter of pushing to the sides to resist against the hydraulics of a compressor. I am not sure how strong someone would have to be in order to resist something like that, but I can assure you that even the world's most roided out body builder would not be able to resist something like a car compressor.

 

Being a fan of both the Terminator and Robocop franchises, I've been seeing a lot of people say that Robocop would not stand a chance against a T-800. That's just a misconception there, actually Robocop stands a good chance, a very good chance.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest Ruinus]

In Terminator 3 a T-800 is shown taking a plasma blast to the chest that is so powerful that it knocks him clear across a parking lot and smashes him through a shed. It's still intact afterwards, hell, even the first one has the Terminator crash a truck loaded with (was it) propane or something and go up in a huge explosion... and all that happened was it's skin was blown off. They've also got insane aim.

 

In the T:TSCC there are Terminators (I don't know the models) that are so accurate that they disable other Terminators with pistols by shooting them through the eye and planning out the path of the bullet to ricochet inside the skull to hit the CPU.

[Indolent]

The Terminator in Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines was a T-850, so it doesn't apply to the T-800 model here.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Eh, the T-850's endoskeleton is still pretty much identical to the T-800's - there are some design modifications and it relies on a different power source to make it overall more efficient, but in terms of durability it shouldn't be too different to a T-800.