Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 All of the years that he had lived and all the memories he had flashed before his eyes, Chris had a sudden realization that the effort he had placed in stopping Umbrella was fruitless. It had become apparent the moment he had encountered the beast that was his current opponent; The Tyrant. A new upgraded version none the less, standing nearly 9 feet tall and equipped with talons that could shred metal with little effort. Chris was ordered to travel to Mexico to eliminate a recently discovered base of operations by the infamous Zeta, a powerful drug cartel that seized control of most of the drugs being smuggled in to the United States and selling bio weaponry to other organizations throughout the world His mission started out simple he infiltrated the base with little trouble, disarmed and incapacitated a dozen armed men and took control of the facility. Chris had training in CQC and weapons handling ever since his mission in what has become known as The Mansion Incident. To this very day rumors circulate of that incident as if it were a dream, bio weapons still not well known and hidden from the public eye. Chris however replays the mansion and all other incidents every day; still asking as to why Umbrella would create a virus to begin with? As he prepared to destroy the Zeta's warehouse the Tyrant swung its massive arm narrowly missing Chris's torso. Rolling out of the way, he had dropped two grenades which soon exploded next to the monster. After the smoked cleared it showed little damage was done except with the blood that had splattered from the explosion. This Tyrant healed remarkably fast and had healed almost as fast as he received the wounds. "What the?!" Chris had no hope in hell to kill this thing. Realizing that it was useless to even attempt it, he decided to run away. Detonating the explosives that he wired the compound with the monster rushed towards him taking the blasts with little sign of injury. his heavy footsteps caused the concrete to crack as he stepped dowm traveling with great speed and moving closer to the ex-S.T.A.R.S. member. Shooting the Tyrant in the face seemed to slow it down a bit and Chris began to unload bursts aimed towards the face of the Tyrant while constantly moving to a better spot. Down to his last grenade he lured the tyrant in and as the massive arm thrust forward, threw the grenade towards the Tyrant's face while side-stepping out of the way and shooting at it causing the explosion to lay the monster down, at least for a little bit. "Command, I need a way out, I can't stop this thing." The radio crackled as he finished his transmission. There was no reply, he ran into the street, shooting his gun in the air to get the attention of the civilians. Some people panicked and ran, but others being hardened from the street life didn't pay much attention. Soon the Tyrant started to run towards Chris at alarming speed, cars being thrown aside like toys in a child's path. His growl was ferocious alarming the people causing mass hysteria. The Tyrant paused, for a moment it stood there as if it somehow deactivated. Chris remained hidden and decided to use this moment to escape. The Tyrant turned its head and processed the new scenario and scanned every person into the Umbrella database; all were deemed expendable. The Tyrant chased Chris after locating his position and killed anyone that was in it's path. Those that were still mostly in one piece, turned to zombies that immediately pursued any nearby victim. "Shit, it's turning people into zombies, I have to stop this thing!" Chris ran and did what he did best, survive. "Still no contact from command. I have to try to reach someone soon." The streets were getting noisy, the more time elapsed the more zombies sprung up from recent victims. This virus seemed to be a new strand as the incubation time was far shorter than the previous ones. Chris stumbled upon a patch of green herbs; he healed his wounds with some herbal bliss. He also noticed a chest which contained ammo and new weapons. Suddenly a voice came over the radio "Chris can you hear me?" The voice seemed familiar but unrecognizable. "It's Leon, I know where you are, I can see you on a monitor. I have infiltrated the laboratory that created the Tyrant you are facing. If I can destroy this facility it will shut off the source of it's power, so it will not be able to heal. Can you hold it off while I go in?" by this time chris had been discovered and had been doing what he could to survive. As he listened to Leon Chris nearly died while ducking a piece of car that was ripped in half moments before. "I will try, it's strong and fast, plus I'm not hurting it at all". Leon was in Europe where he had discovered a laboratory that created many bio-weapons. He had been sent to Spain over a year ago to track down a known suspect in dealing bio weapons on the black market. Leon had with him a group of ex-marines and his team managed to locate and enter the targeted location. As they managed to reach and clear most of the rooms, they entered an empty circular room with ten closed doors. The door that they came in closed immidiately behond them trapping them inside. This would be their last mission and also where they encountered their worst nightmares. A Gigante (RE4) along with dozens of (normal) Lickers and Hunters walked through the various doors that surrounded the room. "How is this possible, was it a trap?" Leon's team quickly fired upon the scattered monsters, most of the Lickers moved with such a swiftness that before they emptied their clips, a few of Leon's men had been struck down and killed. The Gigante was strong, but attacked only one person at a time, drawer by the scattered shots being fired Leon ran towards a hunter and aimed down his scope. As the Hunter and Leon rushed towards each other it leaped to swipe Leon's head off. Leon slid on the ground and aimed the gun upwards towards the head, shooting the Hunter between the eyes killing the monster instantly. As he finished his slide, he aimed and shot another Hunter and got up. The room soon began to fill with random bio weapons, dogs, zombies, and kickers. Leon knew he would not make it out alive, him and the remaining men huddled up and began to use formations to attack the undead, but most fell with one attack. (basically these men are just for decoration lol) Scenario: Chris is in a battle that he will not win., as is Leon. So they will die, but like Mercenaries, they can prolong their life. They are smart and very cunning, plus as the game shows, can overcome and defy the odds. Chris: He has no other monsters except the new Tyrant that heals almost instantly. The Tyrant is still able to feel pain, and "knock back" so as to not be totally unstoppable. (Like some damage will make him pause, stumble, get knocked down.) Note that Chris will lose, and this is to vote who lasts longer. Leon: he has one Gigante (RE4) and starting with 20 licker and 20 hunters to begin with, but the room slowly gets new monsters that are random (only choices are lickers, crimson heads, dogs, hunters, tarantulas, and crows) He will have some ammo and random drops, but he will not win, so vote on if he lasts longer in this scenario vs Chris's. Who would survive the longest is the question, remember that. Voting for Chris means that he will outlast Leon and vice versa. Again, ammo is scattered all around their "maps" but this is not just from the game, but their cut scene versions as well i.e. they can jump lol. The maps are real life, so it has no boundaries per se, but there is no help at all and for discussions sake they will not run away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callisto Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Learn More AboutChris RedfieldRead more about Chris Redfield at WikipediaOfficial Site: Capcom Links: Wikipedia RE Encyclopedia Chris Redfield Shrine Leon KennedyRead more about Leon Kennedy at WikipediaOfficial Site: Capcom Links: Leon Wikipedia Official Resident Evil Website Resident Evil Fan: A New Blood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supes Rulez Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Leon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jason Redfield Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 This is really a toss-up. Both have shown an extraordinary capability to survive in adverse situations while outnumbered. Both have roughly equal amounts of relevant experience and feats that are on par with each other. All things being equal... I honestly don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSkillz Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Hey, Pymp, the [ img ] tags don't seem to work with EF's new format, as I learned the hard way a while back. If you want to post images in posts and matches, what you'd want to do is click on the "image" icon in the toolbar right above the typing box (to the right of the chain-link-looking icons; kind of looks like a photo), then once a pop-up titled "Image Properties" appears, type or copy/paste the image's link in the URL section and click "OK". All that said, I'm not really familiar with RE games, so I can't really comment on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Excellent setup Pymp and great match. This is a hard match to decide. I am leaning toward Leon since he has a group of soldiers with him that can help him out. Plus in situations like these I think Leon may be a little better. Although only slightly. However it could go either way as Chris could figure out a way to put down the Tyrant. Then again in the setup he is calling for help and has already been fighting it for a while it seems. Chris is probably close to dying while Leon isn't at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Thank you for the compliment, I hope this beats my previous failed attempts. I changed the set up a tad, but mostly kept it the same. I was trying to incorporate the games life into this to keep it real to the game and my own variation of this set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Hey, Pymp, the [ img ] tags don't seem to work with EF's new format, as I learned the hard way a while back. What are you talking about? They work fine, I've only ever used those for the last few weeks in the daily win thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I'm pretty sure these guys are basically equal... I don't know who'd last longer. It's so even. Good match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 It's basically even, but Leon takes the slight majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 How come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darksaiyajin345 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 From what I remeber Leon had more impressive speed and agility feats from 4 and Degeneration.Chris has his boulder punch.So Chris punches the Tyrant a bunch (Or God mods a random rocket launcher Chris style) and Leon dodges I guess. I think boulder punch would take more energy to do then dodging random monsters so I'm gonna go with Leon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Huh... Ok, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jason Redfield Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Chris has some pretty decent speed and agility feats, too. Namely dodging strikes from Wesker, a bullet-timer. And if the bout between these two in RE6 is any indication, Redfield may also be the superior hand-to-hand fighter. Not sure how much that helpshere, but it's worth noting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 They came off as dead even in the RE6 fight, plus it was only a brief skirmish, anyway. Leon took on Krauser, also a bullet timer, in close-quarters. I think Leon wins because of his superior skills, agility and speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jason Redfield Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Were you watching the same fight as me? Here's a play-by-play of the entire fight: 1.) Leon gets the drop on Chris (he had the advantage of complete surprise) and knocks the rifle from his hands.2.) Chris goes for a hook which Leon ducks under.3.) Chris dodges Leon's spinning back kick.4.) Leon catches Chris's backwards elbow strike.5.) Chris puts Leon in a clinch and delivers two extremely brutal knee strikes.6.) Chris blocks Leon's counter (an elbow strike) and dodges his spinning back fist.7.) Chris then tackles Leon, but Leon manages to avoid going to the ground.8.) Leon attempts to force Chris to the ground and submit him, but Redfield gets out of the hold.9.) Chris temporarily restrains Kennedy from behind until Leon escapes.10.) Leon counters the hold and reverses it to do the same to Chris.11.) Chris shoulder tosses Leon pretty much effortlessly. This then leads to Leon pulling his gun. Leon landed zero successful strikes despite getting the drop on Chris, while the reverse was not true. The bout seemed to be going in Redfield's favor to me, hence why Leon felt it necessary to draw his gun. Do you have any proof of Krauser being a bullet-timer anywhere near Wesker's level? Also, Wesker is ridiculously strong -- I don't remember ever seeing Krauser displaying a comparable amount of strength. Since when is Leon more skilled? That's news to me; they're both clearly very talented individuals. Agility, sure. Speed... maybe. If anything, I'd say it's a negligible difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darksaiyajin345 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4vfrzsC4dA-Agilityhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjc9QIXGftI-Durability (And speed somewhat)Also from what I remember (It's been ages since I played RE5) Wesker was toying with Chris 95% of the time and even when he was he dominated Chris who generally had backup.As for skill Chris has more experience Leon has better training. It's kinda up in the air but Chris spent a lot of time muscle training instead of training in actual skill,like getting better with a fire arm or with a knife. (From what I remember I think it was his sad attempt to match Wesker's strength and why he was so huge in RE5)As for the RE6 fight no comment I haven't played it xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pymp Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 thanks for the comments. FYI Chris is a superb marksman, better than Forest which was Alpha Team's marksman. Also Leon is badass which is why I picked them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Were you watching the same fight as me? Here's a play-by-play of the entire fight: 1.) Leon gets the drop on Chris (he had the advantage of complete surprise) and knocks the rifle from his hands.2.) Chris goes for a hook which Leon ducks under.3.) Chris dodges Leon's spinning back kick.4.) Leon catches Chris's backwards elbow strike.5.) Chris puts Leon in a clinch and delivers two extremely brutal knee strikes.6.) Chris blocks Leon's counter (an elbow strike) and dodges his spinning back fist.7.) Chris then tackles Leon, but Leon manages to avoid going to the ground.8.) Leon attempts to force Chris to the ground and submit him, but Redfield gets out of the hold.9.) Chris temporarily restrains Kennedy from behind until Leon escapes.10.) Leon counters the hold and reverses it to do the same to Chris.11.) Chris shoulder tosses Leon pretty much effortlessly. This then leads to Leon pulling his gun. Leon landed zero successful strikes despite getting the drop on Chris, while the reverse was not true. The bout seemed to be going in Redfield's favor to me, hence why Leon felt it necessary to draw his gun. Do you have any proof of Krauser being a bullet-timer anywhere near Wesker's level? Also, Wesker is ridiculously strong -- I don't remember ever seeing Krauser displaying a comparable amount of strength. Since when is Leon more skilled? That's news to me; they're both clearly very talented individuals. Agility, sure. Speed... maybe. If anything, I'd say it's a negligible difference. Yes, I was, as far as I know they only fight once during the game. The fight wasn't nearly as one-sided as you're making it out to be; Leon used the advantage of surprise to stop Chris from killing Ada, rather than launching an actual attack, and he blocked both knee strikes with his elbows. Chris blocked Leon's elbow strike, dodged his backfist, went in for the tackle, and blocked another elbow from Leon. Leon capitalized on the distraction his elbow strike caused, escaped the hold, then attempted to put Chris in a hold and got thrown over his shoulder, at which point both men drew their sidearms (Leon had been trying to draw his gun from the beginning - he did so because he wanted to talk Chris down rather than slugging it out with him, not because he was losing). Leon and Chris were both breathing pretty heavily at the end, so one can assume they were both tired after the skirmish. Like I said, it was basically dead even. Also, I'd like to point out that Leon showed more technical hand-to-hand skill in the fight, while Chris' techniques were mostly based on brute strength. If anything, I'd say Leon has more actual martial arts skills, while Chris' raw strength gave him a significant advantage in close-quarters combat. No, he's not on Wesker's level, but he's still a bullet timer. Plus, Wesker was toying with Chris, while Krauser actually had his mind set on killing Leon, and Kennedy fared a lot better in that fight than Chris did against Wesker. Chris is more experienced, but the quality of Leon's training is of a much higher standard. Leon was primarily trained to fight on the ground as a government agent, while Chris, being Air Force, was primarily trained to fight in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jason Redfield Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 *snip videos*Also from what I remember (It's been ages since I played RE5) Wesker was toying with Chris 95% of the time and even when he was he dominated Chris who generally had backup.As for skill Chris has more experience Leon has better training. It's kinda up in the air but Chris spent a lot of time muscle training instead of training in actual skill,like getting better with a fire arm or with a knife. (From what I remember I think it was his sad attempt to match Wesker's strength and why he was so huge in RE5)As for the RE6 fight no comment I haven't played it xD Sure, that's impressive agility. But Chris accomplishes some similar feats, particularly in RE6 with being able to dodge and dive under laser fields and the like. I don't buy that Leon has more training. Leon was a rookie cop who was then recruited into the FSO, basically a federal counterterrorist agency. Chris, on the other hand, was already a decorated member of the military and a veteran member of an elite police tactical team by the time Leon finished the police academy. Redfield then went on to serve with a multinational counterterrorist organization as one of its most skilled agents. I think it's generous to Leon to put them on par with one another in training and experience. Yes, Wesker was toying with Chris for some of their fights. But by the end of the game, Wesker was clearly frustrated and simply wanted him dead. And Wesker had a good showing yes, but he ultimately lost even after he stopped toying with Redfield. And no, Chris didn't spend all of his time 'roiding up. He clearly kept his marksmanship skill up in addition to his knife-fighting skills and martial arts. Yes, I was, as far as I know they only fight once during the game. The fight wasn't nearly as one-sided as you're making it out to be; Leon used the advantage of surprise to stop Chris from killing Ada, rather than launching an actual attack, and he blocked both knee strikes with his elbows. Chris blocked Leon's elbow strike, dodged his backfist, went in for the tackle, and blocked another elbow from Leon. Leon capitalized on the distraction his elbow strike caused, escaped the hold, then attempted to put Chris in a hold and got thrown over his shoulder, at which point both men drew their sidearms (Leon had been trying to draw his gun from the beginning - he did so because he wanted to talk Chris down rather than slugging it out with him, not because he was losing). Leon and Chris were both breathing pretty heavily at the end, so one can assume they were both tired after the skirmish. Like I said, it was basically dead even. Leon doesn't land a single hit on Chris; every attempt of his to disable him is shut down. It seemed to me that he was forced to go to his gun. If he just wanted to initiate a standoff or talk Redfield down, there were other ways of doing that.From what I can see, Redfield only draws his gun in response to Leon doing the same (which, if anything, shows some decent reflexes and quick-draw ability on Red's part). Also, I'd like to point out that Leon showed more technical hand-to-hand skill in the fight, while Chris' techniques were mostly based on brute strength. If anything, I'd say Leon has more actual martial arts skills, while Chris' raw strength gave him a significant advantage in close-quarters combat. Again, I don't see it. Chris's style seemed more brutal, but he was by no means some brute who was wildly throwing punches. The shoulder toss, the knee strikes, the submission defenses... all pretty well-done. And he shows plenty of martial arts ability in-game, as well -- countering knife attacks from genetically-enhanced Neo-Umbrella commandos and killing them in the process, dodging melee weapons to deliver backwards elbow strikes, etc. Chris uses his massive physical strength to his advantage and as a force multiplier -- he doesn't rely solely on it. No, he's not on Wesker's level, but he's still a bullet timer. Plus, Wesker was toying with Chris, while Krauser actually had his mind set on killing Leon, and Kennedy fared a lot better in that fight than Chris did against Wesker. Chris is more experienced, but the quality of Leon's training is of a much higher standard. Leon was primarily trained to fight on the ground as a government agent, while Chris, being Air Force, was primarily trained to fight in the air. Do you have any proof of Krauser being a bullet-timer? Because I don't recall that. And like I said above, Wesker was not always toying with Chris. By the time he is fighting the two of them on the plane, he is clearly frustrated and wants nothing more than to kill him. Leon didn't win the knife fight IIRC, and Chris ultimately did end up winning his fights against Wesker. And before you mention it, yes, he had Sheva's help. But I'd say Sheva's presence is balanced out by Wesker's superior attributes compared to Krauser. And don't forget that Chris and Albert faced off at the end of one of the older RE games. This was before Chris was He-Man and he was also completely alone at the time -- he still won by using the environment to his advantage and tanking multiple hits from Wesky. That shows some pretty impressive improvisational skills on his part. Also, again, I don't see where you guys are getting the idea that Leon is better trained. Chris received actual, military training. And yes, even pilots receive ground combat training. And there is some evidence that implied he also served in Air Force Special Operations (yes, the USAF does have teams of special ops that deploy alongside SEALs and the like). They also have Security Forces (would have been Security Police back in Chris's day, I think), which is an organization that's half cop/half light infantry. And you act like Chris only received his training and experience in the Air Force, which is patently untrue. He was a veteran member of an elite police SWAT team and also served as one of the top agents of the international equivalent to Leon's government organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 To be perfectly honest, they do sound pretty bloody even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pymp Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 so this is a good match up correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I think so, and it seems other people do, too. And they're more knowledgeable of Rsei than i am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Wentworth Miller vs Johann Urb. Go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pymp Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Nova thats funny I go with Wentworth as he is the start of Prison break and I saw all of that. hahahaha too funny though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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