Match 12872 Nightwing vs. Altair

[Guest deojusto]

Altair has to get up close to Nightwing to stab him. At which point Nightwing could block, counter, etc. What can Altair do if Nightwing wants to taser him?

 

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A taser and a knife work in the same distance. Nightwing would have to get up just as close to use it. And the assassin's creed guys can dodge like olympic orangatangs

[Guest skadoosh]

Nightwing's weapons have more range than Altair's, and the assassins are great at dodging old school weapons, not high-tech projectiles.

[Guest sirmethos]

It's amusing that 1. People seem to assume that it's going to come down to an actual fight. and 2. People seem to be completely discarding Altair's combat skills, which are quite considerable.

[Guest skadoosh]

All the points made still stand, regardless of how skilled Altair is.

[Guest sirmethos]

Except, you know, for the fact that the points you've made are wrong.

 

"Altair has the more lethal weapons, but Nightwing has the more versatile and high-tech gear. Nightwing can take Altair down before the assassin gets close enough to use all his lethality. Altair has to be close to do any real damage, but Nightwing wont let that happen, what with his tasers, and darts, and wing-dings, and whatnot."

 

Underlined the important part.

 

No, Altair doesn't necessarily have to get close.

 

Altair with(and I quote from Deojusto's post) "all his gear from the games. If he has better gear in one game then he does in another, go with that.", means that he has both the Crossbow, Poison Darts and the Pistol. All of which he can use comfortably from a distance.

 

As for Nightwing's equipment, he doesn't have anything that is so advanced, that Altair hasn't encountered, at least equivalents, before. i.e. Darts(similar to the poison darts the altair and ezio use), Wing-dings(not particularly harder to dodge than thrown knives or crossbow bolts). And his Tasers are close-range weapons, no harder to dodge than a knife would be.

 

 

"Nightwing's weapons have more range than Altair's, and the assassins are great at dodging old school weapons, not high-tech projectiles."

 

No, Nightwing's weapons don't have more range than Altair's. And the assassins have dodged weapons that are just as difficult as anything in Nightwing's standard arsenal.

[Guest skadoosh]

Nightwing's projectiles would project things a lot further and faster than anything Altair has encountered or has on him, and Nightwing is definitely the more skilled hand-to-hand combatant, although not by much. They are both capable of dodging the long-ranged weapons that the other has, but Nightwing's long-ranged weapons are superior to those belonging to Altair. Plus, the effectiveness of Nightiwng's weapons is made all the more dangerous by his own training and combat prowess, which, along with his gear, make him superior to anyone Altair has fought. I think it would be close, probably a drawn out dodging-fest and then a close-up fist-fight, but Nightwing definitely wins in the end.

 

Also, i thought it was just Ezio who got a pistol.

[Guest force_echo]

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A taser and a knife work in the same distance. Nightwing would have to get up just as close to use it. And the assassin's creed guys can dodge like olympic orangatangs

... What are you talking about? Nightwing has a ranged taser. As in, it uses compressed gas to fire a set of prongs at a target and then delivers an electrical current through the wire.

 

Or he could use a sedative tipped dart launcher (I'm pretty sure Altair wouldn't be able to dodge a dart fired from Nightwing's gauntlet). Or a knockout gas pellet. Even if Altair dodges the pellet, he'll still be exposed to the gas.

 

Also, I doubt there's any evidence Altair used darts. Even if he did, Nightwing's a bullet dodger.

[Guest skadoosh]

Thank you.

[Guest ninjaman1848]

altair wins because A. he has the superior skill B. he is more ruthless and C. He has the killing weapons.

[Guest skadoosh]

No, no, and see above for why the last one doesn't matter.

[Guest Fabian Hall]

Altair would win with his stealth

Nightwing would win with a fight

[Guest Fabian Hall]

Force Echo- Altair uses throwing knives and in Revelations used a spring-loaded pistol!!

[Guest Fabian Hall]

Force Echo- Altair uses throwing knives and in Revelations used a spring-loaded pistol!!

[Guest Fabian Hall]

Plus Altair has his indestructible invincible Armour! Not to mention the Apple of Eden!!

[DSkillz]

Heh, why the quadruple post?

[Z451]

Not to mention two of said posts are identical to each other.

[Guest Supes Rulez]

Nightwing

[Guest force_echo]

Altair doesn't have indestructible armor. Also, a projectile launched from a spring loaded pistol would be pathetically easy for Nightwing to dodge. Especially since the pistol probably has an effective range of like 2 meters.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

 

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

I'm not one to post feats, but these feats should suffice to show that Altair's range weapons won't do much. There are more of these out there if anyone cares to see them.

[kainboa]

I'm not one to post feats, but these feats should suffice to show that Altair's range weapons won't do much. There are more of these out there if anyone cares to see them.

 

and in all of those cases, Nightwing is aware that somebody is about to shoot at him, in the case of Altair, he wouldn't know about it, until he hears the bang, which makes it a completely different scenario.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

What about the second one where he is in the air and has literally 21 people shooting at him. I can find some scans where he wasn't aware he was going to be shot.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Dodges Superman's heat vision at close range with an injured leg

Dodges starbolt(much faster than a bullet) while not expecting it

Dodging lasers

Dodging sentry guns at close range

Fact is, there is nothing in Altair's arsenal he can't dodge, whether if his guard is up or down.

[patrickthekid]

When I see regular people dodging faster-than-arrow weaponry, I have a good explanation for it. It's usually due to anticipation of attacking. If you know the moments and signals something is about to shoot you, you can still get out of the way of the line of fire before he gets to fire. Spidey doesn't dodge bullets because he's that fast. He does it because Sipdey Sense gives him a warning in addition to his unnaturally fast reflexes. Same with Nightwing in all those instances (I'm pretty sure an angry shout from Starfire is a good giveaway of an incoming starbolt.). A normal or even a decent shot wouldn't expect someone to more out of the way and thus would be too slow to react in time.

 

Still, it would be enough for him to dodge Altair's weaponry. I think it would be enough for him to win, but he would still be in trouble if Altair manages to get a secret shot.

[Dark Spider-man]

When I see regular people dodging faster-than-arrow weaponry, I have a good explanation for it. It's usually due to anticipation of attacking. If you know the moments and signals something is about to shoot you, you can still get out of the way of the line of fire before he gets to fire. Spidey doesn't dodge bullets because he's that fast. He does it because Sipdey Sense gives him a warning in addition to his unnaturally fast reflexes. Same with Nightwing in all those instances (I'm pretty sure an angry shout from Starfire is a good giveaway of an incoming starbolt.). A normal or even a decent shot wouldn't expect someone to more out of the way and thus would be too slow to react in time.

 

Still, it would be enough for him to dodge Altair's weaponry. I think it would be enough for him to win, but he would still be in trouble if Altair manages to get a secret shot.

 

A very good point. But Spider-man doesn't need spier-sense to dodge bullets. This is him not using Spider-sense but still dodging close range gunfire.

 

 

As for someone like DareDevil his radar sene gives him the heads up because he can hear someone about to squeeze the trigger which gives him enough time to dodge.

 

But you are absolutely right. Nightwing would need to anticiplate Altair gunfire, mean really lets fae it. Altair isn't a slouch in Hand-to-Hand, gunfire, or stealth as other said. He was basically the Batman of his time(except he kills) I think it can go either way just depends on who uses their more leathal arsenal i.e like Altairs gun or Nightwings knockout gas. So, it can do either way.

 

Amazing set up by the way.