DamagingRob Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Then I really made a toss up then! -Rakai'ThweiIndeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 A fairy? Surely thou jests? ~Nova Force Nova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Who can into a massive giant who can kick your ass. I TAKE IT BACK PYM, DON'T PYMPSLAP ME LIKE YO WAIFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Don't worry, he's not that kind of person. He'll just dump you in the infinite avengers mansion dimension. Which reminds me, Pym is now like Doctor Who. He has a sonic screwdriver, his own TARDIS, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 Great, now my rumble turned into a lovers spat between Nova and Jaeger. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Fine, I see we've overstayed our welcome. I shall depart and let your thread rest in peace. ~Nova Force Nova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 It was a Lovers' spat? Bah we shall take it to Pym's Tardis then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Up up and away! No that's not right. SHAZAM! No... Hulk Smash? Nada... Blue Blazes! Nope. Nanananananana, Batman! Damn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Doom Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Great, now my rumble turned into a lovers spat between Nova and Jaeger. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 "By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth!" That didn't work either. "..." Haha, that one worked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 Official Fight Music to this match: -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Machiko has some serious skills and is a pretty physically formidable woman, but she isn't on the same level as the Cat, who hangs with Spiderman and the like. It's a good fight, but Black Cat wins in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 That's two for Machiko and two for Black Cat. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Tiebreaker! ~Nova Force Nova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSkillz Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Hmm... tough one. Gotta think on it for awhile. A mud wrestling contest would be equally tough. A bikini contest? Body wise, it's just as tough, but Felicia may win over the "judges" with her feminine wiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 A bikini contest? Body wise, it's just as tough, but Felicia may win over the "judges" with her feminine wiles. I don't know man. Some guys have a thing for Asians. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 When Felicia fought Sabretooth, wasn't that Creed shortly after his first appearance? IIRC, wasn't he just a regular merc with claws back then? They only retconned him to being a Weapon X project later. I'd give this to Machiko based on superior weaponry, as well as the fact that she's more willing to kill than Black Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSkillz Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I don't know man. Some guys have a thing for Asians. Thing is, I can see Machiko ready to gut the first dude that douses her with a hose. That won't really win her any charm points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 When Felicia fought Sabretooth, wasn't that Creed shortly after his first appearance? IIRC, wasn't he just a regular merc with claws back then? They only retconned him to being a Weapon X project later. I'd give this to Machiko based on superior weaponry, as well as the fact that she's more willing to kill than Black Cat. Three for Machiko, two for Felicia! Thing is, I can see Machiko ready to gut the first dude that douses her with a hose. That won't really win her any charm points. That would be true IF this was a match where mud and oil wrestling, and wet T-shirt contests were the conditions. But in this case, it's not. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Felicia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 Felicia! Another tie breaker, I demand it!! -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 iirc he still had his mutation of regeneration as well as his claws and his immense combat experience, AvP. Though his Regeneration wasn't buffed at the time, granted, but still I was going with his experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 The Black Cat vs Sabretooth fight where Felicia came out ontop actually might not at all be that much different from Machiko vs Shorty, or Machiko vs a Blooded Predator. I have actually googled this up and there is actually a small detail which Jaeger has left out. At this point Felicia had already been enhanced - she had very sharp claws, low superhuman strength and superhuman agility and reflexes. Those powers were still emerging, but seem to make a leap forward and manifest more strongly when she flips out during the fight. For much of the fight she is using Acrobatics; her only attacks are vicious clawing of Sabertooth’s face - and at this point Sabretooh has barely recovered from obvious facial wounds, so she’s concentrating on a vulnerable area. Creed still manages to get the upper hand. Creed made the mistake in biting Felicia's hidden mini-crowbar and it's heer where she takes advantage of this opening. Now keep in mind, this is Felicia when she was enhanced with superpowers, something which she doesn't have here. She then keeps smashing Sabretooth’s face on the sidewalk with superhuman strength until he stops moving, which isn’t too hard since she’s on top and seems as strong as he is. So really the only reason Felicia won that fight was because at the time she had super powers and Victor Creed made the mistake in damaging his teeth where she took an advantage in, but for the most part... Creed was winning that fight until that opening was exploited, an opening which was made by mistake. Were Felicia to fight Creed without her feline powers, she'd have been more than likely defeated. Now if Felicia were to have beaten Sabretooth without her superpowers, then you'd have something much more impressive. Also remember that Sabertooth started as a Iron Fist foe. He has gotten considerably more powerful over the years. The fight with Felicia was in 1986, when he still mainly was a Iron Fist foe; he had yet to appear as a Marauder for the Mutant Massacre, which is the point where he starts being defined as the “anti-Wolverine†and becomes considerably more powerful.  Machiko on the other hand-- has taken on Shorty (three times if Hunter's Planet is to be counted, where he is a Blooded in rank when she killed him) and in Three World War she has also taken on a Blooded ranking Yautja who seemed to have a fairly decent amount of skill, where she used her own agility and training to effectively hit whatever vulnerabilities he had and then kills him without too much trouble-- this is primarily because of her training in the Jehdin fighting style, and her experience hunting with the Yautja. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Sabretooth is superior to most Yautja. The highest ranking, oldest, most experienced, well-trained and physically powerful Yautja would be on a par with him, and possibly above, depending on the Yautja, and the weapons, if there were any involved, but generally, Sabretooth is very likely superior to a Yautja. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted November 1, 2012 Author Share Posted November 1, 2012 Sabretooth is superior to most Yautja. The highest ranking, oldest, most experienced, well-trained and physically powerful Yautja would be on a par with him, and possibly above, depending on the Yautja, and the weapons, if there were any involved, but generally, Sabretooth is very likely superior to a Yautja. That doesn't change the fact that Felicia was super powered during her fight with Victor Creed. And that doesn't change the fact that at the time, Sabretooth was generally NOWHERE NEAR the level of strength or even the regenerative healing factor compared to how he is currently. When Felicia had fought Sabretooth at the time, he was only capable of lifting 800 lbs. Most Yautja lift well over that. So Sabretooth at the time would definitely be outclassed in terms of strength by a Young Blooded Yautja-- a Blooded in rank would be significantly stronger. When Sabretooth got his first strength buff, it was only added by his son Grayden Creed who increased Sabretooth's strength to two tons-- that's a match for a Young Blooded, and in some cases possibly a Blooded. Warriors, Honored, Elders and Arbitrator ranking Yautja would undoutebdly be stronger than Creed even at that time. And as mentioned by AvP vs the Terminator, it was then during the Weapon X Program that Sabretooth had gotten a slight increase in strength-- what class wasn't revealed but it was mentioned that he was able to surpass Wolverine in strength, who is able to lift up past 800 lbs for a brief period amount of time. I actually looked that up on Sabretooth's Marvel Database page, and even his Comicvine. So really, the notion that Victor Creed would be superior to most Yautja is misconception. If anything, most Yautja are already on par with Victor Creed as far as a physical stand point goes. The only thing that Creed has over a Yautja is the healing factor, and even then it's not as good as Wolverine's.. When Felicia fought Sabretooth, his healing factor was actually pretty slow. Much slower than it is now. So really, in a sense speaking-- as far as physical standpoints go, Machiko fought the better opponent compared to Sabretooth when he fought Felicia at the time. Sabretooth back then would be inferior to a low ranking Yautja as far as a physical stand point goes. He'd probably perhaps been equal to a Human gestated Xenomorph at the time back then in terms of strength, and Machiko could handle opponents as such. Now if you want to compare Victor Creed's experience at the time compared to a Young Blooded to Blooded ranking Yautja, that's a different story. But we're not here to talk about comparisons between Victor Creed and a Yautja-- we're here to talk about Machiko and Felicia. Felicia fought Sabretooth when she was superpowered. She had low end superhuman strength, reflexes and agility and enhanced senses at the time. Even then, Victor Creed who was not as powerful as he is now-- or anywhere near as powerful as he is now, was still essentially pressing her very hard until he made the mistake in biting her mini-crow bar which allowed her an opening. A superpowered Felicia taking on a relatively weaker Sabretooth is nothing special. And even then, Sabretooth had her hard pressed. So really when you think about it... Sabretooth back then was physically inferior to the Yautja. And with Craydon Creed's buff, he was on par with most Yautja. And after the Weapon X program-- he probably is still in par, or suprasses most Yautja save for the Warriors, Honoreds, Elders and Arbitrators. So if you want to get technical... Machiko fought the better opponents compared to Sabretooth back then before the buffs. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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