Engineer(Prometheus) vs Predator(1987)

[RakaiThwei]

The Alien, Predator and Alien vs Predator franchises are three separate franchises that have three separate continuities, that do overlap, but are nevertheless separate and have plenty of difference. So, obviously, in the Alien franchise and the Predator franchise the Engineers and the Yautja will never have encountered each other, because they don't exist in each others continuities, but in the Alien vs Predator franchise they may well have.

 

In the Alien-Predator universe, there really is no such thing as a straight forward Canon. It's pretty much a three way intersection road at this point, you can pick whichever continuity you want to follow but however you look at it-- all of the films are considered to be canon. They just follow different continuities and as numerous Alien-Predator fans have even pointed out, even different timelines. If you want to follow strictly Predator, fine. If you want to follow strictly Alien, fine... If you want to follow Alien vs Predator, fine. Just know that each timeline has it's own continuity. And really, the differences are actually minor when looking at it from a multiverse point of view. And some of these differences are quite reconcilable as far as Prometheus and AvP are concerned.

 

I can go on a discussion about how these three continuities work and exactly where they fit in with each other, and what applies to each species as far as the Alien-Predator multiverse goes but does anyone want to hear that? I doubt it, because I have discussed the differences in all three timelines/universes.

 

Now BSPs on the other hand... that's a different story.

 

When i said non-canon i meant in the original separate franchises, not in the slightly more recent Alien vs Predator franchise. Although, from what i do know, there has been one hint that they encountered each other, which is the image Rakai already posted, the moment in the second Alien vs Predator film, which was obviously more of a tease than an actual encounter, and doesn't prove that the Yautja would definitely beat an Engineer, only under whatever circumstances that encounter happened in, and other than that there's just fan speculation.

 

That... doesn't make any sense from what you've just said. For one, Alien vs Predator has been around since 1989-- two years after the first Predator movie and one year before Predator 2 was being filmed. So if anything, it's not been around that recent, Alien vs Predator has been around for twenty four years. Also the Engineer helmet in AvP-R is not so much as a tease rather than confirmation that the Yautja and the Engineers are aware of each other. Saying that it's nothing more than a tease is like saying that the Alien skull in Predator 2 was just nothing more than an Easter egg (although it can be argued as such) and that the AvP films are non-canon with the first two Predator films, despite the fact that there was already an AvP franchise made before Predator 2 was filmed, and that two movies were made afterward.

 

As for the Engineers existing in the AvP universe, I would say that they do because for one, for many years it was speculated and eventually given some weight by the expanded universe that the Engineers were the creators of the Xenomorph. Also, Alien vs Predator 2 (Monolith PC) even revealed to us that the Engineers visited the planet LV-1201 and numerous other worlds that the Yautja were apparently visiting for hunting trips. So the Engineers DO exist in the AvP universe, they have been long before AvP-R was filmed.

 

The trophy doesn't prove that a Yautja can beat an Engineer? Of course it does! How else do you think the Engineer helmet got there in the first place? A Yautja killed him. Now we don't know exactly how it was killed but we do know that the Yautja have had encounters with the Engineers and if anything, this goes to show that Engineers have been killed by Yautja. How many, we don't know but we know that Engineers have been successfully killed by the Yautja.

 

 

There's no indication that any of the films aren't in continuity with each other

 

Actually, Robert Rodriguez was adamant that his movie, PREDATORS ignored Predator 2 to AvP-R. He's even said that his movie follows the first film and only the first film. So that film might be an exception.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest skadoosh]

You all entirely missed my point.

 

They don't have to be canon with each other, they just can be. The AVP franchise crosses them over to the largest extent, obviously.

 

And Rakai, of course the AVP franchise is more recent than the Alien and Predator franchises, because it crosses them over, so they had to exist first. I didn't say or imply it was a lot more recent than the original two franchises.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Your point was that any hints toward the two species' interaction is non-canon. This is false, as AvPR (a film canon to both continuities) clearly shows that they have encountered one another. I don't get why people seem so eager to break up the Alien and Predator franchises into separate continuities-- I mean, a case could be made for Predators, but there's no reason to believe that the AvP films aren't a part of the main continuity. There are a few plot holes/errors, but don't those occur in most sci-fi/horror franchises? Doesn't mean everything needs to be lumped into categorys.

 

If you ask me, the Aliens/Predator timeline (the films at least, adding the various comics and games would be far too time-consuming) goes like this:

 

Predator

Predator 2

AvP

AvP:R

Predators

Prometheus

Alien

Aliens

Alien 3

Alien Resurrection

[RakaiThwei]

I mean, a case could be made for Predators, but there's no reason to believe that the AvP films aren't a part of the main continuity. There are a few plot holes/errors, but don't those occur in most sci-fi/horror franchises?

 

PREDATORS might not be part of the main continuity because of the fact that...

 

A.) Robert Rodriguez has stated that his movie takes place after the first, and only the first.

B.) Robert Rodriguez has stated that he had written PREDATORS in mind to be the sequel to the first and ignores Predator 2 to AvP-R.

C.) Robert Rodriguez has openly expressed his disliking to Predator 2 to AvP-R and admitted that he pretends Predator 2 on up never existed.

 

If you ask me, the Aliens/Predator timeline (the films at least, adding the various comics and games would be far too time-consuming) goes like this:

 

Predator

Predator 2

AvP

AvP:R

Predators

Prometheus

Alien

Aliens

Alien 3

Alien Resurrection

 

Actually, the chronological timeline would go similar to this..

 

Prometheus (Pre-Recorded History)

Alien vs Predator (10,000 BC)

Predator 2 (1718)

Alien vs Predator (1904)

Predator: Concrete Jungle (1930)

Predator (1987)

Predator 2 (1997)

Alien vs Predator (2004)

Alien vs Predator Requiem (2004)

Predator: Concrete Jungle (2030)

Prometheus (2089)

Prometheus (2091)

Alien (2122)

Aliens (2179)

Alien 3 (2179)

Alien vs Predator PC (2179)

Alien vs Predator: Prey (2189)

Alien vs Predator 3 (2209)

Alien vs Predator 2 Monolith PC (2229)

Alien Resurrection (2379)

 

And this doesn't even cover a bulk of the EU. I myself left out numerous events and titles because I don't know the dates to them.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest skadoosh]

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My point was that there are three canons; the Alien canon, the Predator canon and the Alien vs Predator canon, which combines the previous two, or, at least, parts of them.

 

What i said about the Engineers was mostly speculation, because that's all it can be, because there have been no detailed official interactions between them and the Yautja. The only canon interaction was the hint in AVP 2, which is, obviously, only a part of the AVP canon, and was hardly detailed, so it's pretty pointless bringing it up here as referance for this fight.