Rumble 12995 The Cullen Clan vs. New Avengers

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The Cullens

 

Edward

Bella (as a vamp)

Emmett

Carlisle

Esme

Alice

Jasper

Rosalie

 

VS

 

Luke Cage

Captain America (Bucky Barnes)

Spider Woman

Spider man

Hawkeye

Iron Fist

Blade

 

Neither team know anything about one another. The battle takes place in the woods.

[Callisto]

Learn More About

The Cullen Clan

Read more about The Cullen Clan at Wikipedia

Official Site: Stephanie Meyer Links: Twilight wiki Wikipedia Twilight lexicon

 

New Avengers

Read more about New Avengers at Wikipedia

Official Site: MARVEL Links: Wikipedia ComicVine.com npr.com

 

 

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Now in your debate dont be bias and base the debate on actual feats, abilities, and skills

[C.T.]

Iron Fist uses his death touch I've heard so much about and kills em all.

[Guest skadoosh]

Spiderman, Iron Fist, Luke Cage and Blade win it for their team. They are all strong and fast enough to kill, or at least damage, the vampires. Plus, Spiderman's webs, Iron Fist's chi powers, Cage's nigh-indestructible skin and Blade's vampire-slaying expertise, along with their collective, versatile combat experience, will allow them to kill all the vampires and both take and/or dodge the vampires attacks. If Spiderwoman's pheromones work on the vampires then she would be a significant help, too. It would be a decent fight, but the New Avengers win this.

 

Hawkeye and Cap get slaughtered, though. They have the skills and equipment to be serious threats, but not to these vampires, who can move too fast to be hit by arrows, shields and anything else moving humanly fast, and who are strong enough to break their bones with ease.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Poor Avengers.

[Guest bigballerju]

Spiderman is fast enough to hit Quicksilver and none of these vampires are faster then Quicksilver. Between that, his spider sense, and his experience fighting vampires like Morbius he takes out a vampire. None of the vampires are putting down Luke Cage and Luke Cage is strong enough to rip them apart. Luke Cage takes out a vampire or two. Iron-Fist can take out a vampire for sure and his chi power has increased it seems anyways. Blade is most definitely capable of taking out some vampires if it's comics version.

 

Seriously the Cullen Clan are overrated. I don't even hate them as much as other people too. I do think the Cullen Clan kills people like Captain America and Hawkeye in seconds.

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Each of the Cullen's have there own special gift but this is just your basic vampire in the twilight universe

 

 

Deviations from traditional vampire folklore and mythology

• Vampires in the Twilight universe are hard to destroy, as they are not harmed or deterred in any way by sunlight, holy water, running water, garlic, stakes, crosses, or human weapons.
  
• Their bodies and skin are made of a material that is as hard as diamond (if not harder); to humans it is impenetrable.
  
• They are much stronger than most other vampires in fiction. Some are strong enough to stop a cement truck on a freeway with one hand.
  
• They sparkle like diamonds in the sunlight.
  
• They are reflected by mirrors and show up in photographs.
  
• They have no need for coffins, as they do not sleep.
  
• They are not shapeshifters.
  
• They do not have two fangs, as all of their teeth are unbreakable, and incredibly sharp and strong - strong enough to easily chew through steel, or their diamond hard skin.
  
• A vampire society has developed, with a conduct code that provides them with a greater chance of survival than if they were alone.
  

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Iron Fist uses his death touch I've heard so much about and kills em all.

How do you kill someone with chi that is already dead?

[Guest bigballerju]

Vampires can be killed in Twilight for one by fire hence why they burn the bodies. Two we know if your strong enough you can kill them physically. Hence the wolves and vampires doing so. We don't know for a fact if they are stronger then most vampires in fiction. That's a pretty bold claim. There have been so many takes done on vampires in fiction and comics its not funny.

[Guest sirmethos]

1. It takes fire to permanently kill one of the Twi-vampires(something none of the 'new avengers' are capable of producing).

 

2. None of the 'new avengers' have any defense against the Emotion Manipulator(I can't remember which of the twi-vamps it is that has that ability).

[Guest Jason Redfield]

Each of the Cullen's have there own special gift but this is just your basic vampire in the twilight universe

 

 

Deviations from traditional vampire folklore and mythology

• Vampires in the Twilight universe are hard to destroy, as they are not harmed or deterred in any way by sunlight, holy water, running water, garlic, stakes, crosses, or human weapons.
  
• Their bodies and skin are made of a material that is as hard as diamond (if not harder); to humans it is impenetrable.
  
• They are much stronger than most other vampires in fiction. Some are strong enough to stop a cement truck on a freeway with one hand.
  
• They sparkle like diamonds in the sunlight.
  
• They are reflected by mirrors and show up in photographs.
  
• They have no need for coffins, as they do not sleep.
  
• They are not shapeshifters.
  
• They do not have two fangs, as all of their teeth are unbreakable, and incredibly sharp and strong - strong enough to easily chew through steel, or their diamond hard skin.
  
• A vampire society has developed, with a conduct code that provides them with a greater chance of survival than if they were alone.
  

 

This is a bit misleading. There are human weapons capable of harming TwiVamps. Meyer has explicitly stated such. In addition, isn't there an excerpt from the book where one of the councilors basically talks about how the humans are continuously developing powerful weapons capable of potentially really messing them up?

[Guest skadoosh]

How do you kill someone with chi that is already dead?

 

Iron Fist's chi can be used in a variety of ways, so he could still take out some of the vampires with his myriad other powers, and chi-enhanced strength.

 

1. It takes fire to permanently kill one of the Twi-vampires(something none of the 'new avengers' are capable of producing).

 

2. None of the 'new avengers' have any defense against the Emotion Manipulator(I can't remember which of the twi-vamps it is that has that ability).

 

Hawkeye never leaves home without explosive and/or incendiary arrows, and Iron Fist's chi and Spiderwoman's energy beams should also be capable of harming, and, more likely than not, killing the vampires. Plus, most members of the New Avengers here have superhuman strength capable of shattering the vampires, which is as good as killing them in any other way.

 

Also, Spiderwoman's pheromones could even out out the vampire's emotional manipulation, as i said above.

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The vamps have been said more recently to be as hard as diamond. So i dont see any of them crushing them. The vamps are strong enough to break it apart. Hence the reason they shine like diamond.

 

Also Alice can see the future. Edward can read minds and is faster than most vamps. Jasper can control emotions and is a battle veteran and a general from the civil war. Emmett's strength is greater than other vamps. Rosalie has practiced martial arts for decades. In the end all of the Cullens have decades or centuries of experience compared to the vamps. Bella has the ability to protect herself or any other vampire from someone else's abilities

 

Alice could defeat Iron Fist (Alice knowing the future of attacks)

 

Edward could defeat Hawkeye. (reading his mind on his shots)

 

Jasper can neutralize Spider woman's pheromones and defeat her with his superior skills and physical stats.

 

Emmett could fight toe to toe with Cage. (enhanced strength)

 

Carlisle could fight against Bucky. (300 years of experience)

 

Esme could defeat blade with her abilities alone

 

Rosalie could keep Spidey on his toes with her abilities and martial arts until other could help.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

1. It takes fire to permanently kill one of the Twi-vampires(something none of the 'new avengers' are capable of producing).

 

2. None of the 'new avengers' have any defense against the Emotion Manipulator(I can't remember which of the twi-vamps it is that has that ability).

 

There are other ways, it's just that fire is one of the most practical. A Twivamp split into ten separate parts spread across the world probably won't be very effective at putting himself back together.

 

Absolutely right. I have no idea why I keep forgetting about Jasper's talents. -.-

 

Carlisle could fight against Bucky. (300 years of experience)

 

You realize how much of a pacifist Carlisle is, right? He has virtually no battle experience outside of the confrontation in Eclipse. Bucky is more skilled than Carlisle by leaps and bounds.

 

Don't get me wrong. He still wins, for the obvious reasons.

[Guest skadoosh]

The vamps have been said more recently to be as hard as diamond. So i dont see any of them crushing them. The vamps are strong enough to break it apart. Hence the reason they shine like diamond.

 

Also Alice can see the future. Edward can read minds and is faster than most vamps. Jasper can control emotions and is a battle veteran and a general from the civil war. Emmett's strength is greater than other vamps. Rosalie has practiced martial arts for decades. In the end all of the Cullens have decades or centuries of experience compared to the vamps. Bella has the ability to protect herself or any other vampire from someone else's abilities

 

I'm aware of all that. Some members of the New Avengers have the strength to shatter these vampires, and the speed to keep up and even dodge them, too. The New Avengers also have superior experience to the vampires in terms of everything except time. They also have better training, and various other superpowers to utilize. The vampires are good, and some of them will put up a very decent fight, and, like i already said, they'll probably take out Cap and Hawkeye, but the rest of the New Avengers win it for their team.

 

There are other ways, it's just that fire is one of the most practical. A Twivamp split into ten separate parts spread across the world probably won't be very effective at putting himself back together.

 

Exactly. The New Avengers don't have to rely on killing the vampires "permanently" with fire. They have plenty of other options.

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I'm aware of all that. Some members of the New Avengers have the strength to shatter these vampires, and the speed to keep up and even dodge them, too. The New Avengers also have superior experience to the vampires in terms of everything except time. They also have better training, and various other superpowers to utilize. The vampires are good, and some of them will put up a very decent fight, and, like i already said, they'll probably take out Cap and Hawkeye, but the rest of the New Avengers win it for their team.

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Which ones have the strength to break diamond?

[Guest skadoosh]

I don't know the maths, but Spiderman screws around with Hulk and whatnot, Spiderwoman has super strength to a similar degree, Luke Cage is indestructible, Iron Fist can enhance his strength with chi, Blade is super-strong, although not to the same degree as the others, and doesn't this Cap have the unbreakable shield?

 

And, again, even if they can't break them into bits they have other powers to utilize.

[Guest sirmethos]

Captain America, Hawkeye, Luke Cage, Blade, and arguably Spider-Woman are non-entities, since none of them have the speed to keep up.

 

Out of those, only Luke Cage has the durability to survive the initial onslaught from his opponent.

 

That effectively leaves Luke Cage, Spider man, and Iron Fist, to fight against the twi-vamps.

 

With only Spider-Man and Iron Fist being really effective.

 

While they might have the strength to rip a vampire apart, and they might be able to win comfortably against a single twi-vamp. They don't have the capabilities to take down the entire group, especially not when factoring in the Emotion Manipulation, and the Telepathy of Jasper and Edward, respectively.

[Guest force_echo]

Alice could defeat Iron Fist (Alice knowing the future of attacks)

So does Iron Fist...

 

Anyway, Iron Fist has blocks against telepathy, and use mind meld against the Vamps, which I doubt they have any defense against. This is effectively a super effective method of emotion control, and Iron Fist has shown he can use it as an offensive telepathic maneuver.

[RakaiThwei]

After having been dragged against my own will, and having seen Breaking Dawn Part 2... and having witnessed the Coven conflict between the Cullens and the Voltuouri... and despite that fight having a twist at the end... it showed what each vampire is capable of regarding use of their gifts and how they use them...

 

The New Avengers die.. Horribly here.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest MarvelFan15]

After having been dragged against my own will, and having seen Breaking Dawn Part 2... and having witnessed the Coven conflict between the Cullens and the Voltuouri... and despite that fight having a twist at the end... it showed what each vampire is capable of regarding use of their gifts and how they use them...

 

The New Avengers die.. Horribly here.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

 

Movies versions =/= print versions.

 

I don't say "literary" versions because Twilight is anything but literature.

[Guest bigballerju]

No they don't get horribly killed that bad. Spiderman, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage can take out at least 4. Luke Cage is strong enough to kill two of them and withstand their attacks for a very good while. Spiderman most definitely can take out one of them. Spiderman is fast enough to hit the twilight vampires and take one out in the fight before another puts him down. Spiderman has tagged Quicksilver more then once and faced all sort of villains besides his main ones people know about. Iron-Fist can take one out himself like Methos said. Seriously are people gone underestimate Luke Cage now? If the Avengers lose they go down taking a few of the vampires with them.

 

I agree Captain America, Hawkeye, and Spider Woman are useless. Blade due to his experience with vampires may get lucky and take one out however that's a huge maybe.

[Guest sirmethos]

Movies versions =/= print versions.

 

I don't say "literary" versions because Twilight is anything but literature.

 

True, the movie versions are less powerful.

 

 

No they don't get horribly killed that bad. Spiderman, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage can take out at least 4. Luke Cage is strong enough to kill two of them and withstand their attacks for a very good while. Spiderman most definitely can take out one of them. Spiderman is fast enough to hit the twilight vampires and take one out in the fight before another puts him down. Spiderman has tagged Quicksilver more then once and faced all sort of villains besides his main ones people know about. Iron-Fist can take one out himself like Methos said. Seriously are people gone underestimate Luke Cage now? If the Avengers lose they go down taking a few of the vampires with them.

 

I agree Captain America, Hawkeye, and Spider Woman are useless. Blade due to his experience with vampires may get lucky and take one out however that's a huge maybe.

 

Yes, they get horribly killed.

 

Let's do the math here, real quick.

 

Spider-Man is capable of taking one vampire down in a one on one.

 

Iron Fist is capable of taking one down, one on one.

 

Luke Cage has the strength to take one down, and the durability to take a lot of punishment from them, but not the speed necessary to be a factor. At best, he can take one out after Iron Fist or Spider-Man knocks them down, before they move on to deal with the next.

 

The rest of the Avengers team here, get killed in the initial onslaught.

 

Now we, effectively, have 2 and a half(Cage only counting as a half, due to his inability to be an active factor in the fight), against 8 vampires, 7 of which are used to working together.

 

While Spider-Man has the strength and speed to be a factor, he doesn't have the durability to take any punishment from the vampires, nor does he have any defense against their more esoteric abilities, alá Emotion Control and Mind Reading.

 

Iron Fist is the most effective fighter on the Avengers team, both due to his combat skills, as well as his Chi enhanced physical capabilities and mental defenses. But he doesn't have any defense against the Emotion Control either.

 

Even without the Emotion Control or Mind Reading, the three surviving Avengers would get taken down by sheer superior numbers and power.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

While Spider-Man has the strength and speed to be a factor, he doesn't have the durability to take any punishment from the vampires, nor does he have any defense against their more esoteric abilities, alá Emotion Control and Mind Reading.

 

To be fair, this has been used against Spidey in the past. It failed. Peter's fighting abilities run purely on instinct and reaction, not conscious control. It's one of the main reasons he can crack jokes in the middle of a fight, since he has all that free brain power to use.

 

But yeah, emotion control is one thing he has no defense against.