xLEGACYx Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 Powers can work so long as they travel form the inside out, not from the outside in. It's a one way filter meant to get the plot out of the corner Stephenie Wrote it into.what im trying to point out is in the middle of the battle, the Valturi had members fighting inside of Bella's range and could not use their powers against the Cullens and friends but the Cullens and company could use there powers just fine on the Valturi inside of the "dome". So while in the dome the evil vamps couldnt use powers but the good vamps could. Also like you stated and echo immaturely hinted at the Valturi could not use there powers from outside the "dome" to effect those inside but even the ones inside couldnt use there powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 You keep forgetting like Force said Iron-Fist could just go straight for Bella. Alice won't see it coming because she would be too busy fighting and won't have time to focus to see into the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarvelFan15 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 what im trying to point out is in the middle of the battle, the Valturi had members fighting inside of Bella's range and could not use their powers against the Cullens and friends but the Cullens and company could use there powers just fine on the Valturi inside of the "dome". So while in the dome the evil vamps couldnt use powers but the good vamps could. Also like you stated and echo immaturely hinted at the Valturi could not use there powers from outside the "dome" to effect those inside but even the ones inside couldnt use there powers. Two things: 1) The book canon takes precedence over the film canon. 2) In the book, any and all powers work inside the dome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLEGACYx Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 Two things: 1) The book canon takes precedence over the film canon. 2) In the book, any and all powers work inside the dome.well im basing this off the movie because I havent read the books. Its similar to the difference between Hunger games books and movies, they have differences. @bigballjuAlice can see the future regardless. In mid combat she sees the future. Its why she avoids every attack in the two fights she was in. Also Bella is the one left open. The rest are all busy fighting someone off the bat. You think Edward would actually let someone get close to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Alice can see the future regardless. In mid combat she sees the future. Its why she avoids every attack in the two fights she was in. Also Bella is the one left open. The rest are all busy fighting someone off the bat. You think Edward would actually let someone get close to her.Iron Fist can do that too, effectively nullifying Alice's advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLEGACYx Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 Iron Fist can do that too, effectively nullifying Alice's advantage.again his powers won't work with Bella's shield up. And even if somehow he could still see the future, he would be facing a vamp faster stronger and more durable without his chi attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 No Alice doesn't always see the future which is why in previous films she has to focus to find victoria, see Bella's future, and more. Alice doesn't always see everything hence why in the final combat before the twist she didn't see the deaths that would happen coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLEGACYx Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 No Alice doesn't always see the future which is why in previous films she has to focus to find victoria, see Bella's future, and more. Alice doesn't always see everything hence why in the final combat before the twist she didn't see the deaths that would happen coming.but she did see it all. SPOILER ALERT**************** She saw all the deaths because the whole thing was her vision. It's the whole reason the fight never happened because the vision was seen by the evil vamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarvelFan15 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 again his powers won't work with Bella's shield up. And even if somehow he could still see the future, he would be facing a vamp faster stronger and more durable without his chi attacks You're obviously not understanding how Bella's power works. First of all, she can only affect powers that are purely mind-based. Jasper is unaffected by her power, as is Alice. Ben's power (controlling the elements) still works under her shield, so she can't affect physical powers. Iron Fist's chi-based abilities are going to work just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Haven't the Avengers won this yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Spider-man Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh okay I think Spider-man's durability is being underistimated here. He fought Morlun who is technically a vampire and hits harder than a calm Hulk and Spider-man went blow for blow with Morlun, though Spidey died at the end, the fight was extremely long. Spider-man fought Juggernaut, Hulk, Rhino all who are much much much much much more powerful than the twilight vamps if he can take a hit from those dudes and still get up swinging, then I'm sure he can take some hits from the vampires. >_> "And I've gone toe-to-toe with the Hulk." Really guys, Spidey can take a lot of damage phyically from any of the Twilight vamps. But as much I hate to admit this, Twilight vamps can most likely win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Morlun does not hit as hard as the Hulk. Spider-Man was exaggerating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Spider-man Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Still Spidey took punches from the Hulk and got up for more...So, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Spiderman could definitely take out some of the vampires, purely physically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarvelFan15 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 This calls for a Morlun vs. Cullen Clan thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 again his powers won't work with Bella's shield up. And even if somehow he could still see the future, he would be facing a vamp faster stronger and more durable without his chi attacksYes they would, it's been posted at least twice now that Bella's is only a shield against telepathy. And no, even without chi enhancements Iron Fist is faster, with chi, he's FAR faster. He would also be stronger, and FAR more durable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callisto Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Match Final ResultsThe Cullen Clan: 5New Avengers: 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 This calls for a Morlun vs. Cullen Clan thread. Not a bad idea, dude. Match Final ResultsThe Cullen Clan: 5New Avengers: 11 There we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLEGACYx Posted November 21, 2012 Author Share Posted November 21, 2012 Yes they would, it's been posted at least twice now that Bella's is only a shield against telepathy. And no, even without chi enhancements Iron Fist is faster, with chi, he's FAR faster. He would also be stronger, and FAR more durable.so your saying without his chi Iron Fist is faster and stronger than Bella? your kidding right? Also Bella was a newborn which basically makes here leagues stronger and faster than the others. on another note she could block out any attack. Similar to when she was learning to use her power and blocked Edward from getting shocked by their friends electric touch. (Which would be similar to a chi strike) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Bioelectricity =/= Chi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarvelFan15 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 so your saying without his chi Iron Fist is faster and stronger than Bella? your kidding right? Also Bella was a newborn which basically makes here leagues stronger and faster than the others. on another note she could block out any attack. Similar to when she was learning to use her power and blocked Edward from getting shocked by their friends electric touch. (Which would be similar to a chi strike) No. The electricity shock was a mental attack. No actual electric discharge occurred (in the book, leastways). Seriously, nothing Bella's shield can do will affect Iron Fist or any of his physical chi abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLEGACYx Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 No. The electricity shock was a mental attack. No actual electric discharge occurred (in the book, leastways). Seriously, nothing Bella's shield can do will affect Iron Fist or any of his physical chi abilities.Well seeing how I have only watched the movie and am basing the fight off those characters it kinda contradicts that theory. The movie it was a physical attack and it was blocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 so your saying without his chi Iron Fist is faster and stronger than Bella? your kidding right? Also Bella was a newborn which basically makes here leagues stronger and faster than the others. on another note she could block out any attack. Similar to when she was learning to use her power and blocked Edward from getting shocked by their friends electric touch. (Which would be similar to a chi strike)No, I'm not kidding. Iron Fist would be FAR faster than Bella, and stronger. And his Iron Fist could probably put her down in 1 to 2 hits. The Universe's lore doesn't agree with you. Bella's powers only work on telepathy. She couldn't block element control, she couldn't even block emotion control, because those are not telepathic powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLEGACYx Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 No, I'm not kidding. Iron Fist would be FAR faster than Bella, and stronger. And his Iron Fist could probably put her down in 1 to 2 hits. The Universe's lore doesn't agree with you. Bella's powers only work on telepathy. She couldn't block element control, she couldn't even block emotion control, because those are not telepathic powers.iron fist without powers would stand zero chance against Bella. As a matter of fact she could probably toy with him. Second the twilight movieverse does agree with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Yeah, no shit. Without his powers, the only thing Iron Fist has over Bella is speed, which isn't going to do a whole lot when you can't hurt the opponent in the first place. But that situation is like me saying that Bella couldn't beat Iron Fist if Bella didn't have any of her supernatural powers. It's obvious, but irrelevant. What examples do you have from the movie where Bella's shield blocks something non-telepathic, like element control? Besides, you never specified that this was the movieverse anyway, you said the "Twilight Universe", in which case the novel canon overrides the film canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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