Edward Cullen vs Broken Tusk Predator

[Guest skadoosh]

Edward Cullen, book version

 

vs

 

Broken Tusk Predator, comic book version

 

 

They are fighting in a clearing in the middle of a large forest. They are fighting to the death. They know nothing of each other prior to the fight. Cullen is as he is in the books, and Broken Tusk is armed with his Wrist Blades and his Combi-Staff, along with his bio-mask and body-armor.

 

Opinions?

[DSkillz]

Whoa, slow down a bit with the matchups, skadoosh. You just posted four of them yesterday, and you've now posted four of them today. Give people time to discuss your current matchups and don't crowd out the others.

 

As for this matchup, I gotta think about it for a bit.

[Guest skadoosh]

Is there a limit on how many Rumbles i'm allowed to make?

[DSkillz]

Technically, no, but there is such thing as topic spamming. Tone things down a bit. Just sayin'.

[C.T.]

Spam? You know what's spam? Andrew's lists. That's spam.

[DSkillz]

Heh, true.

 

And Andrew knows he'll be banned if he makes another massive list or spams the forums with topics again.

[Guest skadoosh]

Technically, no, but there is such thing as topic spamming. Tone things down a bit. Just sayin'.

 

This is not spam. These are spam:

 

Andrew's lists.

 

People don't always comment on every Rumble, anyway, and i was done, i'm not making anymore now. But if you want me to have a cap on the amount i put up then just say so, and, as long as i'm not limited to something ridiculous like one Rumble a week, i'll stick to it. Is that cool?

[DSkillz]

This is not spam.

 

It's close, hence the warning. Nowhere near Andrew's habits (which were almost inhuman, lol), but too many at one time just take up too much space and don't give anyone enough opportunity to really discuss them.

 

People don't always comment on every Rumble, anyway, and i was done, i'm not making anymore now. But if you want me to have a cap on the amount i put up then just say so, and, as long as i'm not limited to something ridiculous like one Rumble a week, i'll stick to it. Is that cool?

 

The populace of EF as a whole may be putting up few too many Rumbles up regularly, contributing to the problem of not enough actual discussion overall. Still, I don't really want to put a set limit per se (we all just want to have fun here, after all). All I saying is, use your best judgement.

 

Anyways, back to discussing this matchup, folks.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

I think he's more saying that you are hurting your rumbles by posting so many.

[RakaiThwei]

At least you actually gave Dachande armor and weapons... But for numerous reasons, I really do not like this match up, or many of your recent rumbles fights involving AvP characters. So, I'm going to leave it at that. As for Edward Cullen.. out of all opponents, really? I mean... REALLY? Couldn't you have picked someone more... respectable as a character? I mean.. even the Annoying Orange is more respectable than Edward.

 

I am thankful that this a rumbles, because I still want to continue my Broken Tusk Predator arc... and I will in due time.

 

Having that said.... While Dachande has more fighting experience than Edward Cullen, and definitely far more skilled as far as technique and martial knowledge goes... Not to mention likely armor which would be able to withstand against Edward's blows.... The only weapons being effective would be the combi-staff, considering that the weapon discharges electricity upon contact, but Dachande-- as fast as he is, which is very fast.. Edward is perhaps faster, so Dachande will have to make his blows count.. So Dachande won't be landing many blows, but he'll land some. He's just gotta make it count. But what are the chances of that? Also, I'm only going off the movies to how the Twilight Vampires can move, and I am going off on how fast the Novel and Comic version of Broken Tusk can move (the novel and the comic are essentially the same story and characters to where they are interchangeable)-- and the novels and comic suggest he's faster than your average Predator... I mean in the novel, he was fast enough to kill twelve Aliens faster than Machiko can aim and fire, and in the comics it's virtually the same.

 

Ummmm... How fast are the Twilight retard-pires in the books when compared to the films?

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Dued, Edward Culen is a respectabable character. His luv for bella brings a tear to my eye.

[RakaiThwei]

Dued, Edward Culen is a respectabable character. His luv for bella brings a tear to my eye.

 

Alright, hand in your manly man membership card and forfeit your rights to reproduce and call yourself a man.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[C.T.]

He doesn't have his manly man card yet. You only get that when you come of age.

[Guest skadoosh]

It's close, hence the warning. Nowhere near Andrew's habits (which were almost inhuman, lol), but too many at one time just take up too much space and don't give anyone enough opportunity to really discuss them.

 

The populace of EF as a whole may be putting up few too many Rumbles up regularly, contributing to the problem of not enough actual discussion overall. Still, I don't really want to put a set limit per se (we all just want to have fun here, after all). All I saying is, use your best judgement.

 

Anyways, back to discussing this matchup, folks.

 

Absolutely fair enough. Spam, in my experience, implies that i'm trolling, and i'm definitely not doing that, i'd never do that, i like this site, but i will limit myself and make sure i don't post too many Rumbles. What can i say? I just got a hit of who'd-win-in-a-fight-ness and couldn't help myself. I have a problem...

 

Anyway, have you come to a conclusion about the fight?

 

I think he's more saying that you are hurting your rumbles by posting so many.

 

I know, i get what he's saying. Do you have an opinion on this fight?

 

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I don't care if you or anyone else likes the fights i make, i care about who they think wins them and why. I don't think Edward is a respectable character at all, but he has the ability to be a formidable combatant, and i wanted to test him his combat capability. That's what this part of the site is for, after all. I haven't read the books, but i know someone who has and i've looked 'em up on the 'net, and on this site, too, and considering how skilled and physically powerful Broken Tusk is i thought it was only fair to use the better version of Edward here.

[Guest bigballerju]

If I remember correctly people told me the vampires were stronger in the books. Between Edward's speed, his telepathy, and the strength to land some solid blows its not looking good for the Predator. Yeah the Predator has his experience and skills but Edward as his physical advantages that give him the edge.

[Guest skadoosh]

If I remember correctly people told me the vampires were stronger in the books. Between Edward's speed, his telepathy, and the strength to land some solid blows its not looking good for the Predator. Yeah the Predator has his experience and skills but Edward as his physical advantages that give him the edge.

 

'Preciate the analysis, dude. Edward is indeed physically superior in the books. Do you reckon he can break the Yautjas armor, though?

[RakaiThwei]

I don't care if you or anyone else likes the fights i make, i care about who they think wins them and why. I don't think Edward is a respectable character at all, but he has the ability to be a formidable combatant, and i wanted to test him his combat capability.

 

My problem with your rumbles is that you have a tendency to really underhand the AvP characters, and give the other guys overwhelming advantages. I mean don't get me wrong, the Dlex weapons which Dachande has more than likely can cut through the granite skin and Dachande is probably somewhere in the 10 to 16 ton range in strength based on what we've seen Veteran and Elder Predators perform on average, and while Dachande is far more skilled and has the better experience.. still, you could've leveled this better by at least giving him a plasma caster to better deal with Edward... I mean... even in the books mentioned that the only way to kill a Twitard vampire is to dismember and burn the body. Dachande's weapons can dismember Edward, if he can hit him, and seeing as fast as Dachande can move-- even for a Predator, which is very fast (the Alien vs Predator and Predator novels depict the Yautja moving faster than in the films).. he's got to deal with Edward's telepathy and moderately superior speed.

 

I haven't read the books, but i know someone who has and i've looked 'em up on the 'net, and on this site, too, and considering how skilled and physically powerful Broken Tusk is i thought it was only fair to use the better version of Edward here.

 

Rather than rely on here-say and third party sources, why don't you actually go and pick up Prey? It's a really good book, and considered the definitive bible for all things Yautja. You shouldn't really look up information on the Yautja anywhere else online, as the only reliable site Yautja Encyclopedia, died when Geocities shut down. However it is archived over at: http://www.oocities.com/gunsandgod/ but be forewarned.. You MIGHT want to have strong Anti-Virus protection before browsing that site..

 

If I remember correctly people told me the vampires were stronger in the books. Between Edward's speed, his telepathy, and the strength to land some solid blows its not looking good for the Predator. Yeah the Predator has his experience and skills but Edward as his physical advantages that give him the edge.

 

Has anyone even calculated the strength of a Twi-tard vampire? Let's get that out of the way before we can say who is stronger here.

 

Edward is indeed physically superior in the books. Do you reckon he can break the Yautjas armor, though?

 

Considering that high grade Dlex is roughly comparable to secondary Adamantium and extremely resiliant.. Not likely. And considering that Elders, which is the rank Dachande is, usually wear that kind of armor as their primary set of protection.. Edward would have to be as strong as the Hulk to damage something like that.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest skadoosh]

I didn't ask why you don't like my Rumbles. See above. When i said books i meant the Twilight books. A lot of my information on the Twilight books comes from the 'net, mostly here on this very site, and a friend of mine who's read them. I've read the AVP comics with Broken Tusk, and a whole load more, too. I never get information on AVP from the 'net or anything i haven't read myself.

[RakaiThwei]

I didn't ask why you don't like my Rumbles. See above.

 

All I am saying is that you could be treating the AvP characters, be they Human, Xenomorph or Predator with more respect than you're giving them.

 

When i said books i meant the Twilight books. A lot of my information on the Twilight books comes from the 'net, mostly here on this very site, and a friend of mine who's read them. I've read the AVP comics with Broken Tusk, and a whole load more, too. I never get information on AVP from the 'net or anything i haven't read myself.

 

Alright then, you should have clarified that then. Good job in avoiding the Twilight books, I don't get how anyone can read that drivel and actually call it literature. I do feel sorry for your friend who has read them, and I have to ponder if they have any resemblance of rational thought and sanity left. As for the Twilight information on the net... I have found a Twilight Wiki.. however having never read the books.. I actually have to question the information on the Wikia..

 

Regarding a Twilight Vampire's strength.. and just looking this up angers me.. Uuuuh.. I've actually been able to calculate how strong they are based on comparisons to Real Life Human Athletes... So I am going to be handing out two links for everyone to compare..

 

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4255 - Strength Explanation for Human Athletes

 

http://twilightsaga....om/wiki/Vampire - Physical Stats Information on Twi-tard Vampires..

 

According to the Wiki, this is what it says:

 

A vampire is said to be thousands of times stronger than any human, able to lift objects hundreds of times their own weight.

 

Now, I am unsure if these calculations of mine are correct.. Because it would be more accurate to figure out Edward's weight and then calculate that strength by times one hundred at the very least. And already... these calculations for a Twi-tard vampire are... either downright wrong, miscalculated, inaccurate based on the numbers I have worked with.. and because of that... I am in disbelief.. So... here we go.

 

Let's take power lifter Tom Boyle's lifting feat of 700 Pounds. Now, we're going to multiply that with the former number based on the statement of the vampires being a thousand times stronger than your average Human being.

 

So that's... 700 x 1,000 = 700,000 Lbs...

 

....That's 350 tons.... And I find those numbers to be bullshit.

 

Already there are some serious, serious problems with this calculation and even I find it to be either... inaccurate based on the estimations I worked with, or Stephanie Meyer really went out of her *vulgarity*ing way to make sure someone like Edward would be able to beat the Hulk, Thor, Superman and Goku.

 

As mentioned, it would be far more accurate to do the calculations based on Edward's weight and multiply that... I am no mathematician or even good at math at all but even I know Edward Cullen is not that *vulgarity*ing strong.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Indolent]

Well, they're capable of mangling humans with their mere grip (iirc they have to exercise great care not to do so...), and the twinkling twit's stopped a truck from flattening Bella (Oh how I wish it did.) with relative ease - actually, effortlessly. I think a punch from one has shattered a boulder too - so the figure from your calculation might be ridiculous, but it's evident that the vamps are likely stronger than even Dachande.

 

And from what I understand, the Twi-vamps are insanely fast, usually faster than humans can see? And Edward's even faster than that - so odds are with his mental reading capability which has enabled him to deftly evade other vamps attacks, Dachande is never going to lay a hand on him, considering Dachande is not anywhere close to the average Twivamp's speed, more so even with Ed's.

 

Even then with all this: No, Edward will not be able to defeat Superman, Goku, or even Hulk and Thor:P

 

And to be fair on Skadoosh part, most the time he makes matches like these, he's not wholly aware of the characters (from what I've seen, despite what he says).

 

And I know that totally sounds like a dig, but it's not - it's an astute observation - though take it as you will, doesn't matter to me.

[RakaiThwei]

Well, they're capable of mangling humans with their mere grip (iirc they have to exercise great care not to do so...), and the twinkling twit's stopped a truck from flattening Bella (Oh how I wish it did.) with relative ease - actually, effortlessly. I think a punch from one has shattered a boulder too - so the figure from your calculation might be ridiculous, but it's evident that the vamps are likely stronger than even Dachande.

 

Predators can do that too. I mean a Veteran like Scarface was able to easily crush a human skull almost effortlessly, and he was even showcased to twist a human's spine and pull them apart like a rag doll in Concrete Jungle. Also, Predators have been shown to smash through brick walls and other barriers with their bare hands as mentioned numerous times in the films and by extension, the EU. And concerning the strength of Elders and Veteran Yautja alike, we've established that they are in the range of 10 - 16 tons, depending on if certain conditions are met.

 

Thank you for agreeing with me that the calculation in the above posted is ridiculous. For once, something we mutually agree on. But if we really want to know how strong Edward is, we would need a rough calculation for his weight. And the Twilight books don't provide that..

 

Could Edward be stronger? Possibly, but how strong we need to figure out.

 

Dachande has dealt with stronger adversaries in the past, such as when he had beaten a Queen Alien to death with his bare hands and survived the ordeal. And Queen's depending on their age, are very strong.. Empresses, being stronger.

 

And from what I understand, the Twi-vamps are insanely fast, usually faster than humans can see? And Edward's even faster than that - so odds are with his mental reading capability which has enabled him to deftly evade other vamps attacks, Dachande is never going to lay a hand on him, considering Dachande is not anywhere close to the average Twivamp's speed, more so even with Ed's.

 

I haven't read the books, so I am going off from the movies here but if the book versions are faster.. Then I have to thank God that this fight is a rumbles and not an official match. I mean it's bad enough that Robocop has that glaring black mark of losing to someone as pathetic in terms of character like Edward Cullen. But really, if the Twilight Vampires are THAT insanely fast... then someone like Spider-Man wouldn't be able to keep up for too long. I am really starting to think that Stephanie Meyer just gave these characters God-Mode powers.

 

We've seen Yautja being fast enough to keep up with some extremely fast and agile opponents. For example, Smiley Predator taking on those modified combat synthetics. Dachande was faster, killing twelve Aliens faster than Machiko Noguchi could aim her gun and fire at the creatures.

 

Here's an excerpt from Prey, showing cashing Dachande's speed and skill. And this feat was performed while he was injured with broken ribs as Prey mentions earlier that he was still healing from an injury.

 

Dachande heard the Hard Meat and spun around. He sprinted past the two ooman strangers toward the threat, staff forward. He was dimly aware that the small warrior was right behind. It shouted something at the other two. They came in a single-file stream, flowed from around a structure, ten, maybe twelve. Dachande leapt to greet them. Two arrived first, angled in from the sides. Dachande spun, swung completely around, cut them both through their midsections in one strike. He didn’t watch them hit the ground; there was no need—they were dead and all he need do was avoid the throes. He extended his ki’cti-pa and slashed through the throat of the next drone nearest, to his right. The drone’s death cry was garbled through its own thwei. A split second later, he jabbed the staff point through the jaws of another, twisted the sharp blade and dug a hole through the top of the skull. The weapon’s metal was proof against the Hard Meat’s thwei, but there was no time to hesitate and enjoy the kill—when you fought the ten thousand, you did so one at a time, but you also had to do so quickly—He thrust the spear’s butt back, hard, and knocked one behind him down, then turned and slashed its gut. Digest this, foolish creature! The ki’cti-pa blurred again, jammed backhand into yet another Hard Meat chest. The drone howled, fell, did not die but did not rise again. Acid pumped into the dark air, pooled, smoking. Dachande jumped forward, stabbed the throat of yet another, and then spun to meet the next. Death fell all around his feet as he and the Hard Meat danced.

 

Noguchi hurled herself after the warrior. Several of the bugs streamed from behind the shed and toward Broken Tusk. He stepped in to battle without hesitation. Too many of them, ten, twelve. She aimed at one of the bugs—and it was dead before she fired. She took aim again—and again, her target had fallen already. She took a step back, transfixed by the swift movements of the giant warrior. Here was no inexperienced novice; every step was measured, every strike timed and sure. Within the space of a few seconds, most of the bugs were down, dead or dying. She had enough training to recognize a Master when she saw one. This one’s skill had been gained in battle, against deadly enemies. Broken Tusk whirled and jabbed, crouched and slashed with precision and confidence. Never a misstep, never a hesitation. He was no dojo tiger, covered in padding and fighting for points. Wherever he had come from, they had a martial arts more complex and dangerous than any she’d ever seen. It was like a choreographed dance.

 

Now.. as for the speed of the Yautja, I know it has come into dispute but SmileyPredator's Yautja Feats thread posted more speed feats than I have ever posted in the past. You can find SmileyPredator's Yautja thread here: http://www.electricf...opic=26180&st=0

 

I even missed several feats from Cold War, a book I have and he's posted some feats which are from books I don't even have. Here are some excerpts from Cold War, some which I am sure you're familiar with.

 

(Part 2 on this post will be added...)

[RakaiThwei]

The spear was snatched from his back by a shadowy, indistinct figure and the second man let loose with his AK-100, spraying bullets at the barely glimpsed spear-wielding killer.The thing moved so fast it almost seemed to be dodging the bullets as it turned and ran back down the canyon. The Russian charged after it, bellowing.

. . .

The creature holding the spead seemed to side-step the bullets easily.Then it jabbed the spear forward, and Gunin no longer worried about spikes or bullets, or anything else as the thing cut his heart out with a single quick gesture.After that, the alien disappeared, blurring into invisibility

. . .

"Those things are fast enough to dodge bullets, if they see them coming," Schaefer explained, "and even if you hit them, they're damn near bulletproof.â€

 

Here's a feat showing that they could move faster than the human eye could comprehend, if not for a short moment.

 

As he did, the ruined door slammed open, and there were those things. Buyanov moaned.

 

"Devil!" Anatoli said.

 

Then, without warning, moving faster than human eyes could follow, the foremost of the three creatures rammed a spear through Anatoli's chest. Anatoli crumpled. With his lung pierced, he couldn't even manage a dying scream.

. . .

One of the creatures ran after him, moving inhumanly fast, so fast Buyanov could not properly follow the motion. As Dmitri's hand reached for the alarm handle, the thing's hand slammed down on the top of the Russian's head.

 

The point is Yautja are fast. Very fast. Faster than what the films show them to be and what anyone gives them credit for. I am not saying that he's faster than Edward, and I am willing to concede (*vulgarity*, I might as well... ) that Edward is faster, and with the telepathy... Yeah... I don't like it considering that it's Edward but *vulgarity*.. I'll concede that.

 

And to be fair on Skadoosh part, most the time he makes matches like these, he's not wholly aware of the characters (from what I've seen, despite what he says)..

 

Oh I'll give you that.. but at the same time I can't help but feel he's almost pulling a VCM on AvP characters like how VCM did two years ago. Of course, this is just me making my own observation but yours sounds more reasonable and more in the right than mine.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest skadoosh]

And to be fair on Skadoosh part, most the time he makes matches like these, he's not wholly aware of the characters (from what I've seen, despite what he says).

 

And I know that totally sounds like a dig, but it's not - it's an astute observation - though take it as you will, doesn't matter to me.

 

Acknowledging that it sounds like a dig makes it's not a dig, in my eyes, so i appreciate that. And you're right, i sometimes makes fights on this site with characters that i wouldn't say i was wholly aware of, but i have never made a match with a character that i didn't know anything about. I'd have to know a decent amount about 'em, otherwise i wouldn't know who the characters were or think they would make a good fight myself. For me, this site is just as much an educational site as it is an entertaining site. I get far more entertainment from this site than i do new information, but i look for both equally when on here, concerning things i know less about, regarding education, obviously.

 

Also, good points all round, guys. I have nothing but meh feelings toward Edward but he seems like decent prey for the best Yautja i know of.

[RakaiThwei]

And you're right, i sometimes makes fights on this site with characters that i wouldn't say i was wholly aware of, but i have never made a match with a character that i didn't know anything about. I'd have to know a decent amount about 'em, otherwise i wouldn't know who the characters were or think they would make a good fight myself. For me, this site is just as much an educational site as it is an entertaining site. I get far more entertainment from this site than i do new information, but i look for both equally when on here, concerning things i know less about, regarding education, obviously.

 

In the case of Alien vs Predator characters, and this is coming from someone who has looked at a bulk of the EU, I would say that your knowledge is perhaps fairly miniscule when compared to someone who knows more about the franchises like myself. You've mentioned that you read the comics but really, the novels provide so much more detail about exactly WHO these characters are and WHAT they can actually do. If you thought that the comic version of Dachande makes him look like the Chuck Norris or Bruce Lee of Predators... then the novel version makes him look like the Ryu of Predators, and this is coming from someone who has looked at the interpretation of the character.

 

As Ivan has said, hearing about the feats and capabilities of the character and even researching them on websites really doesn't give you a direct and hard feel for the character whatsoever. You need to really read their stories and adventures, and from my understanding-- not a lot of people here on the CBUB or ElectricFerret have even bothered to look at the expanded universe and rely on only the films.

 

I know I've come off as an asshole but let me say that I am very invested in these characters and I would like to see them treated better. I mean whether or not you mean to do it, you do underhand these characters and it actually makes me resentful. Playing fields aren't leveled, one character has overwhelming advantage over the other... It actually makes me believe you don't either respect these characters, or really know that much about them.

 

Also, good points all round, guys. I have nothing but meh feelings toward Edward but he seems like decent prey for the best Yautja i know of.

 

Dachande is as I recall you, Skadoosh, saying that he is the Achilles of the Yautja race. He is considered within the fandom as the pinnacle of what Yautja could be in terms of skill and physical capabilities, though Scarface Predator and Smiley Predator are arguably a contender for that claim. But even I know what Dachande's limits are, and I strongly feel as if you could've picked a more respectable opponent.

 

It is so hard to take Edward very seriously.. because he's a terribly written character. He's a vampire who sparkles with spousal abusive tendencies that watches young women in their sleep. So really, can he be taken seriously? Only by the fangirls. And yet he has these abilities which.. would've complimented a much cooler character, would've made an excellent terrifying character but instead they belong to a sparkling buffoon.

 

Saying that he's decent prey is like saying Barney the Dinosaur is an apex predator (no pun intended) that is able to take on the likes of Gojira and King Kong-- or Dan Hibiki (who is a much more respectable character than Edward) finally beat Ryu, Ken and Akuma and is a real fighter.

 

For anyone to lose to Edward should be considered an insult and a shame.

 

Really, I would've preferred Dachande to take someone else on who would've been respectable like Batman, Spider-Man, Captain America.. But Edward?

 

I have no issues with Dachande losing a fight to someone more powerful or more skilled.. but Edward? I'm sorry but.. as a fan.. I'm genuinely offended. If you really wanted to do a Predator vs Twilight fight.. you could've done it as a Hunt rather than a straight up fight and given more equipment to better level the playing field.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest bigballerju]

The vampires can run hundreds of miles per hour in the Twilight books it says on that wiki link you provided. I agree on the strength part because it seems the author didn't care about the abilities too much. It seems she just came up with shit regarding the strength, speed, and the way vampires get different abilities.