Darth Vader and Starkiller VS X-Men

[treacherous]

First things first, let me discredit both witnesses…

 

Bigballerju obviously has a biased opinion towards Superman as seen on his profile pic and signature. It is obvious that he is a Superman fan and will lean in that direction despite any hard evidence against the character. IE: Superman Fanboy

 

Force Echo is absolutely unreasonable due to his need to incessantly be right. This is okay, if you are right, but I believe this stems from a need to prove his intelligence. I for one, believe you are quite intelligent for whatever age you are. However, just because YOU present it as fact, does not make it so.

 

Me however, I have been known to often see another person’s side and be swayed into a different aspect or belief based on the other’s presentation of facts and information. I am also capable of holding a respectable conversation even under the most controversial of topics (See the Religious thread in the Adult Section for those of age).

 

So with that said, I do believe this discussion will turn into nothing more than a mummer’s farce (look it up), as I don’t believe either witness will be swayed from their own opinions or at least see any reason outside of their own. Please note that I am fully understanding that there are multiple thousands of was Superman can beat Darth Vader, but it is not outside of reason that Darth can beat Superman. However, I will present my side of the argument for argument’s sake and to placate you both with my arguments based purely on my limited knowledge of any recent or expanded comic book/Star Wars knowledge first chance I get. Until then, anybody else feel free to jump in.

[comic_book_fan]

force lightning would injure superman and could easly hit him if he underestimated vader howeversuperman would easly claim the great majority over vader.

[C.T.]

The beginning of a sentence should be capitalized.

Easily has an I in it.

Vader should be capitalized.

There should be a space between however and Superman, which should also be capitalized.

 

Hope that helps.

[treacherous]

Before it goes any further, I was joking with Bigballerju and Force. Please don't go ballistic. Nova don't start. This was Circumstantial Ad Hominem at best.

[C.T.]

All right treach.

[Guest sirmethos]

force lightning would injure superman and could easly hit him if he underestimated vader

 

True. But Vader is incapable of using Force Lightning.

[G4hardcore]

I might be wrong, but I thought I saw a scan of Vader(EU) using Force Lightning, here on the forum.

[treacherous]

You did. I'm not sure where that image came from, but this is why certain writers should be shot. They'll come up with some excuse for why they allowed it. I believe xLegacyx posted it.

[Guest sirmethos]

I might be wrong, but I thought I saw a scan of Vader(EU) using Force Lightning, here on the forum.

 

Aye, that was while his connection to the Dark Side was greatly enhanced by the Kaiburr Crystal.

 

It's like showing a scan of Thanos wiping out Eternity. Technically, he has actually done that, but we need to take into account, the fact that he was using the Infinity Gauntlet at the time.

[G4hardcore]

Ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up; I was always curious about it, but not overwhelmingly so.

[treacherous]

So, what Superman can do and what he would do are two different subjects. Let’s discuss Bigballerju and Force Echo’s arguments…

 

Superman has X-ray vision and can see hidden weapons.

 

Right, but please name anything on Darth Vader’s person that resembles a weapon. Nothing. The lightsaber sheathed resembles a flashlight. Even if Supes were to X-ray it, the device has no weaponry components. It wouldn’t resemble anything threatening. Argument dismissed.

 

Superman’s reaction speed can react to Darth even at the last minute.

 

Right, but again why would he feel he needs to? He’s Superman. Most times he lets his sheer invulnerability handle threats. He has ridiculous reaction speed, but how often has that stopped him from being punched by Solomon Grundy? Again, you’re thinking about what he can do and not what he would do. He’d see, “Oh this guy is pulling a weapon. Lol. I’m going to obliterate him in a second.” And just keep coming.

 

Superman will use deadly force.

 

Debatable but even if he did on Green Lantern and Batman, they are GREEN LANTERN AND BATMAN. Green Lantern is worth a little extra force. I think we can agree on that. Batman has proven time and time again that you take him seriously or he’ll F you up. In a serious fight between these two (if they were prepared), Superman better use serious force or he’d be in trouble. Now on the other hand, he knows nothing about Darth Vader and Vader (so far) in my set up has shown nothing that has proven deadly force threatening. Superman just doesn’t go in full throttle unless absolutely, no choice needed. There is absolutely no reason Superman would try to cleave Darth’s head off his shoulders going 100 mph by what my set up has shown.

 

A lightsaber can’t pierce Superman

 

Absolutely debatable. In fact, if you look up the topic on Google, you’ll find hundreds of results. I haven’t seen any material the lightsaber hasn’t cut through in Star Wars universe. I don’t know if they have any materials stronger than adamantium or Superman’s flesh and field, so debatable. My original thoughts stand.

 

Now, did I miss anything?

[G4hardcore]

There are lots of things in Star Wars that a lightsaber, at the absolute least, has high difficulty cutting through. And if Superman's skin is near those levels, which to be honest, I'm inclined to believe... then it would be like trying to get a switchblade to stab concrete, using only the force of the blade while it's being extended. Either the blade will stop, or the force of the blade will pry it free from the holder's hand.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

And some things that a lightsaber is unable to cut through entirely.

[G4hardcore]

Pretty much. Hence the "at the absolute least" part.

[treacherous]

Still looking for examples (Examples or it didn't happen). Come on you guys argue this stuff all the time!! I know this has come up before. Show me the money or I'm right. If you do, I'll be inclined to believe that this particular set up would not work.

 

However, I will give you guys credit. Today I have spent my entire EF time on CBUB and have barely glanced at FPL.

[G4hardcore]

Then our plans are coming to beautiful fruition. We are your mistresses.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Star Wars has its own version of Adamantium, but I forget the name.

 

The stuff was able to survive planetary destruction caused by the Death Star.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

A lightsaber is just a superheated beam of plasma. Superman has withstood far, far worse. It's debatable in the same way Superman vs Spider-Man is debatable. Hundreds of people would pull for Spider-Man, and they're all still wrong.

 

Superman has tanked lightning bolts with no damage whatsoever, and they're far hotter than any lightsaber. I honestly don't see a lightsaber doing any damage to Supes whatsoever. It's possible that Vader might be able to kill Supes (by force crushing his organs or something similar) but I don't think a saber would do anything.

 

Also, lightsabers can't cut through orbalisk shells, and they're just really tough parasites.

[treacherous]

http://www.quora.com...-are-its-limits

 

Found it myself. You guys suck.

 

So add this to your favorites list and you can research the materials sabers can't cut and use against each other next time Lightsaber discussions arise.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

THOSE guys suck. They forgot orbalisks.

[Guest force_echo]

Your logic is wrong -.-

 

1. "Superman can withstand going through the heart of a sun with no real trouble". Yea, I thought it was relatively common knowledge, at least on this site, but the radiation from the Sun is what gives Superman his powers. Flying through "the heart of a sun" is, for Superman, not an impressive feat. It's like saying that Blue Marvel has durability beyond most of the non-cosmics in Marvel, because he could fly through a huge anti-matter energy core, without taking any damage from it.

 

I do understand your point, but the example you're using for comparison here(flying through a sun) is just plain stupid.

 

 

2. "an impact at 100 mph will kill Vader, it's not like he has significantly superhuman durability". Where the Superman durability comparison was stupid, the statement about Vader's durability is just plain false. I'm not sure if it's due to ignorance, or for some other, less obvious, reason. Regardless, allow me to correct the mistake.

 

Vader's entire suit is actually armor, made from a mix of plastoid(the stuff that most of the stormtrooper's armors is made of), durasteel(the majority of his armor is made of this. it's primarily used for buildings, and spacecraft hulls), with his cape being made of Armorweave(same stuff as what the bodysuits worn by mandalorians under their armors is made of).

 

His entire armor is blast-dampening, pretty much impervious to fire, as well as concussive force(extreme well protected against explosions).

 

All this, is without taking into account, anything that Vader might do with the Force, to protect himself from impact.

Hey, smart guy, I said a Sun, not a yellow Sun, learn to read. He could withstand going through the heart of a Red Sun, even though he can't draw power from it, as in, His raw durability is easily enough withstand the core of a sun.

 

I meant compared to the speed Superman's hitting him at. I'm not going to call a man in kevlar armor as having significantly superhuman durability.

[Guest sirmethos]

Superman has tanked lightning bolts with no damage whatsoever, and they're far hotter than any lightsaber.

 

Since you know that.

 

What is the temperature of a lightsaber?

 

I mean, since you know that a lightning has higher temperature than a lightsaber, you must know the temperature of a lightsaber. And be able to provide the source that gave you that information.

[Guest sirmethos]

Hey, smart guy, I said a Sun, not a yellow Sun, learn to read. He could withstand going through the heart of a Red Sun, even though he can't draw power from it, as in, His raw durability is easily enough withstand the core of a sun.

 

I meant compared to the speed Superman's hitting him at. I'm not going to call a man in kevlar armor as having significantly superhuman durability.

 

Then you should have clarified that in your initial post. Most people(including myself), when thinking of "a sun" think of a yellow sun. Add to that, the fact that Superman has flown through the heart of a Yellow sun, on several occasions. While with a Red sun, he has only flown through one, on one occasion(while fighting Superboy-Prime). And on that occasion, there was no showing, or statement about flying through "the heart" or "center" of the sun. Just "through the sun."

 

As for the speed of Superman hitting him, your statement was that an impact of "100 mph will kill Vader", due to having no "significant superhuman durability".

 

The fact that he has walked away from explosions, and concussive blasts with a high amount of concussive energy, directly disproves your statement about his durability.

 

 

Superman could definitely kill Vader, simply by flying into him. But that isn't what's being debated. It's whether or not Darth Vader is capable of killing Superman, without PIS being involved.

[Guest force_echo]

He also got hit with a plasma beam powered by the core of a freaking planet without effect. The lightsaber isn't doing jack.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

 

 

Since you know that.

 

What is the temperature of a lightsaber?

 

I mean, since you know that a lightning has higher temperature than a lightsaber, you must know the temperature of a lightsaber. And be able to provide the source that gave you that information.

 

No source, just logic. Lightsabers have difficulty cutting through thick steel, while lightning bolts can be up to ten times hotter than the surface of the sun. There's no evidence that lightsabers are anywhere close to that temperature.