Guest skadoosh Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Cool. Sound reasoning. My question is answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Cool. Sound reasoning. My question is answered. If I had to put in a rough estimate as far as chances go for this fight... Dachande.. 40/100 Iron Man 60/100 -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 He wasn't getting damaged by being under a car, sparks were flying because of the friction between him and the road, but the armor wasn't getting damaged. Plus, that was when he had an inferior power source powering the armor. Regular MKIII, the Predator gets stomped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Again i ask the question, why are people so sure that Iron Man's weapons will damage Broken Tusk's Dlex armor? And don't forget, he has his own gun, which casts plasma, that would definitely take out Iron Man with a decent shot or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I don't think anyone said the Dlex armor would be damaged. Just that Iron Man's attacks can get around it - and besides, even if the armor blocks it, it's not preventing kinetic energy from transferring through into his torso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Just that Iron Man's attacks can get around it - and besides, even if the armor blocks it, it's not preventing kinetic energy from transferring through into his torso. Actually, there are some Yautja that do wear some form of protective padding underneath the armor, which is akin to a jump suit. But none of the books make mention that Dachande has worn such a protective padding underneath the armor to dull down kinetic force. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I don't think anyone said the Dlex armor would be damaged. Just that Iron Man's attacks can get around it - and besides, even if the armor blocks it, it's not preventing kinetic energy from transferring through into his torso. I know, nobody has been very specific concerning the armor, so i appreciate your input here. Although, there is only so much of Broken Tusk that isn't armored. Good point about the kinetic energy, though, providing that Dlex doesn't somehow counter that. It doesn't, to my knowledge. Actually, there are some Yautja that do wear some form of protective padding underneath the armor, which is akin to a jump suit. But none of the books make mention that Dachande has worn such a protective padding underneath the armor to dull down kinetic force. Ok, cool, does it do anything to prevent the transfer of kinetic energy? And what about the effect of the plasma caster on Iron Man's armor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I honestly doubt even the padding would prevent him from being wounded by the teeny tank busting missile Iron Man has in his wrist. And I know, he doesn't have the padding - it just exemplifies my point about that it'd wreck him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Because Iron Man's targeting systems are easily accurate enough to hit the parts not covered by Dlex. And since the plasma caster hasn't really shown anything beyond the firepower of a tank or of an F-22, which Iron Man has been shown to be able to take without too much trouble, then I doubt the plasma caster will do very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I know, nobody has been very specific concerning the armor, so i appreciate your input here. Although, there is only so much of Broken Tusk that isn't armored. Good point about the kinetic energy, though, providing that Dlex doesn't somehow counter that. It doesn't, to my knowledge. Well the thing about Dlex is that it's a very durable and lightweight metal. When refined, it's properties are enhanced according to the level of refinement and there are molecular alterations to it when it's refined to a certain grade. High grade Dlex, which is something that Dachande is wearing is able to withstand a lot of edged force, blunt force and even ballistics. A lot of people on this forum compare High Grade Dlex to either Mandalorian metals (which is said to be near indestructable) to secondary adamantium. Plasma grade Dlex on the other hand is mentioned to have unbreakable strength and is only used for weapons. To counter something like kinetic energy-- it would be ideal to have some form of protective padding underneath. The books make mention that the Yautja wear this, but visual sources such as the films and by extension even the comics suggest that not many Yautja wear this. Or if they do-- it's either unseen or somehow has something to do with the netting... the former would be likely. However it could be more than likely that the jumpsuit padding would be more useful for Heavy type armor rather than the Standard type of armor we see in the films and comics. Sure, there are different grades of Dlex but there is also different styles of Yautja armor. You can have High Grade Dlex Standard Type Armor, or even High Grade Dlex Heavy Type Armor. Looking at Dachande's armor... it seems to be a sort of customized set of armor. Ok, cool, does it do anything to prevent the transfer of kinetic energy? And what about the effect of the plasma caster on Iron Man's armor? The jumpsuit padding more or less dampens the impact. It reduces the transerfance by a certain degree. As for the effect of the plasma caster on Iron Man's armor.. Well... from what I recall, Iron Man's armor in the Avengers film was damaged by Chitauri weaponry and to me it appears to be utilizing plasma based weaponry, or Tesseract energy. I am not sure what energy source they're using, but if it is plasma... then Tony's armor was seen being damaged by it. And that was the Mark VII armor, so since this is the Mark III, chances are that a well placed shot could do some damage to Tony's armor. Also, there are three charges to the standard issue Plasma Caster. There is low, medium, and high. Low powered shots are enough to burn through a human torso (i.e. Blaine Cooper's Death in Predator). Medium powered shots are more than enough to oblierate an entire Human or Xenomorph body, and destroy a fairly sized area of land with an impressive blast radius. High powered shots are more than enough to take down a UD4L Cheyenne Dropship in one strike (Marine Campaign Cut-Scene AVP3) -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Well, the detail is lovely, but we it needs to be specific to this fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Well, the detail is lovely, but we it needs to be specific to this fight. What kind of specifics are you looking for? -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Would Broken Tusk's plasma caster damage Iron Man's armor, and would Iron Man's repulsor beams damage Broken Tusk's Dlex armor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Would Broken Tusk's plasma caster damage Iron Man's armor, and would Iron Man's repulsor beams damage Broken Tusk's Dlex armor? If Chitauri weaponry can damage one of Tony's more advanced armors, then I don't see why can't a plasma caster do some damage to one of Tony's lesser armor's. Of course, there is the possibility that the Chitauri weaponry was perhaps Tesseract powered, but there is nothing in the Avengers film telling us that it was Tesseract powered. As for the repulsor beams... I don't know much about Iron Man's arsenal but if high grade Dlex is compared to Mandalorian Armor and according to some on this forum, secondary Adamantium, then I don't see why it shouldn't hold up against the repulsor beams. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Cool. That's pretty much exactly what i was thinking. Iron Man could lose this to the Yautja, if the latter is very smart, stealthy and manages to get a sly plasma hit in on Iron Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 The problem is the slow plasma blast has to hit the speedy Iron Man. He can dodge tank shells with casual ease. Factor in his armor systems and Jarvis, I think he can detect the Pred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Would Jarvis know what to look for? Other than a picture of his enemy, who can turn invisible, Iron Man doesn't have anything to go on? The armor could search for abnormalities, actually. Also, are the Yautja plasma blasts actually all that slow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 The problem is the slow plasma blast has to hit the speedy Iron Man. Who said that plasma caster shots were slow? In AvP-R, they were shown to be moving at blinding speeds. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 They're not as fast as Tank shells, and they don't do as much damage. Plus, even if Iron Man's weapon systems can't damage the Dlex, his targeting systems are accurate enough to hit the unarmored parts of the predator. The Predator dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G4hardcore Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Not the fairest of matches, right here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 In comparison to tank shells, yes they are slow. And they don't really do that much damage, except on high powered levels - but iirc that has to do with the mass of the object they collide with that does the damage, so wouldn't matter here for Iron Man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Who said that plasma caster shots were slow? In AvP-R, they were shown to be moving at blinding speeds. Well, that's true, but then there's all this: They're not as fast as Tank shells, and they don't do as much damage. Plus, even if Iron Man's weapon systems can't damage the Dlex, his targeting systems are accurate enough to hit the unarmored parts of the predator. The Predator dies. In comparison to tank shells, yes they are slow. And they don't really do that much damage, except on high powered levels - but iirc that has to do with the mass of the object they collide with that does the damage, so wouldn't matter here for Iron Man... Anything else to say on the speed of the plasma from plasma casters? Not the fairest of matches, right here! And yet it's gotten so many comments.. That's why i love this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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