Achilles vs Daredevil - Round 1

[Guest skadoosh]

Achilles, from the film Troy

 

vs

 

Daredevil, from the film Daredevil

 

 

They are fighting in the Colosseum. They start ten feet apart. They know nothing of each other prior to the fight. To win one must kill or totally incapacitate the other. They are both in character. Achilles is armed with his spear, sword and shield and is wearing his armor, and Daredevil is armed with his modified billy-club and is wearing his costume.

 

 

Opinions?

[Guest Square Pickle]

This is a really random fight.. O.o If this Achilles is anything like the Achilles from mythology, Id say that he wins on the simple fact that he's near Heracles level. Never seen Troy, but they would have to tone him way down to lose this.

[G4hardcore]

Actually, while it is quite random, it's a nice match up in my opinion. These guys are good for each other. Here's one of Achillies' fights with Hector, one of the greatest fighters in all of Troy.

 

[C.T.]

*The greatest fighter in all of Troy.

[G4hardcore]

*The greatest fighter in all of Troy.

So they say. Personally, I've always been of the opinion that Troy is a very large place.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

Achilles is a living killing machine. In Greek mythology he was also invulnerable after having been dunked in the river Styx by his mother. His only weak point is his heel. However, "Troy" didn't seem interested in using supernatural elements like this, though, so their version isn't invulnerable.

 

My inclination is to say the one played by the prettyboy actor loses... but that goes nowhere

 

Much as I like DD, I'm going to vote for the myth-guy. Even without his divine invulnerability, Achilles is one of the greatest fighters of legend. Add to that that he has better weapons than DD, and has no problems with killing. IMO, DD's only chance would be if one of the Olympians, seeing the fight, plunged the arena into darkness to help him.

[Guest skadoosh]

This is a really random fight.. O.o If this Achilles is anything like the Achilles from mythology, Id say that he wins on the simple fact that he's near Heracles level. Never seen Troy, but they would have to tone him way down to lose this.

 

I'll think of the randomness as a good thing. Achilles in the film Troy is nothing like his mythological counterpart physically, there's no magic in the movie, but he does have the same reputation as the greatest warrior alive, because he earned that title. The vid above shows you what he's like in a fight, and you can look for more on Youtube if you want, then let me know who you think would win.

 

Actually, while it is quite random, it's a nice match up in my opinion. These guys are good for each other. Here's one of Achillies' fights with Hector, one of the greatest fighters in all of Troy.

 

Thanks for posting the vid, dude, and i'm glad you like the fight. While Troy is a large place, the following statement is as true as it is relevant, in the context of the film, and it is still an incredible showing of skill from Achilles.

 

*The greatest fighter in all of Troy.

 

Also, who do you guys think would win this?

 

Achilles is a living killing machine. In Greek mythology he was also invulnerable after having been dunked in the river Styx by his mother. His only weak point is his heel. However, "Troy" didn't seem interested in using supernatural elements like this, though, so their version isn't invulnerable.

 

My inclination is to say the one played by the prettyboy actor loses... but that goes nowhere

 

Much as I like DD, I'm going to vote for the myth-guy. Even without his divine invulnerability, Achilles is one of the greatest fighters of legend. Add to that that he has better weapons than DD, and has no problems with killing. IMO, DD's only chance would be if one of the Olympians, seeing the fight, plunged the arena into darkness to help him.

 

See above. This version of Achilles isn't really comparable to the mythological version. Watch the vid, it's a good fight, and shows off Achilles skills and physical prowess nicely. Also, Achilles having better weapons than Daredevil is arguable, due to what both of their weapons are made of, and what they can do, etc. Then there's the hand-to-hand department...

[G4hardcore]

I wouldn't say DD's weapons are worse or greater. Really, they're in a different class. Daredevil isn't into killing, and Achilles is, so naturally, their weapons would showcase that. I'm not sure what the cables are made of in Daredevil's clubs. They could potentially bind the warrior, but he may or may not be able to slice through the (metallic?) cables. If Daredevil plays his cards right and really takes advantage of shock and awe tactics, he could win. but the thing is, physically, these guys are pretty much equal. Really, really equal.

[Guest skadoosh]

I wouldn't say DD's weapons are worse or greater. Really, they're in a different class. Daredevil isn't into killing, and Achilles is, so naturally, their weapons would showcase that. I'm not sure what the cables are made of in Daredevil's clubs. They could potentially bind the warrior, but he may or may not be able to slice through the (metallic?) cables. If Daredevil plays his cards right and really takes advantage of shock and awe tactics, he could win. but the thing is, physically, these guys are pretty much equal. Really, really equal.

 

This is exactly what i wanted, so i'm glad. Good points all round, dude. The cables are indeed metallic, but i doubt that Achilles sword could cut through them. The metal of Achilles time wasn't great, and the cables, and billy-club itself, too, are made of a superior metal in a superior way. The killing/not killing issue is present, but the film version of Daredevil was pretty ruthless, and while he might not want to kill Achilles at first, he may end up with no choice but to do so.

 

How do you think Daredevil's enhanced senses would affect the fight, if at all? Baring in the where they are and whatnot.

[G4hardcore]

The enhanced senses are overlooked a lot, which is unfortunate. But I can't deny the fact that they give him an edge. That, combined with the superior* weaponry, makes for a match that would lean toward a victor clad in crimson leather, around 6/10 times.

[Guest Betterman]

Which means DD will easily "see" said spear or sword thrust and not get hit.

 

When he fought KP, he was worn and beaten already. he just soldiered on.

 

Achilles gets his ass beaten in by a guy dressed like he came out of the San Francisco gay-leather scene. Pretty much the only outcome of this match.

 

 

Achilles was very impressive. He's still no DD.

 

That isn't just a "billy club", it's also a cane and a grappling hook which can be used to disarm and entangle. Achilles gets his face smashed.

 

As far are your "Elektra hit him" argument. She only got one kick to his chest and this was while he was trying to reason with her and proclaiming his innocence while not trying to harm her.

 

The two other times were a A) kick (TO THE HEAD) she got in, when he was disorientated by the sheets. A sai to the shoulder after he grabbed her and was continuing to try and reason.

 

 

 

Really now? DD can avoid being shot by multiple bullets and do backflips while evading shards of glass thrown by a guy with basically perfect aim, but a spear thrust from a guy without super-speed is going to over-tax his abilities?

 

I went and found the fight with Elektra. She got 1 valid kick in and this was while he was trying to reason with her and not fighting back. So your downplay of DD in that fight was just that, a downplay.

 

Incorrect. Hector hit him in the sternum; if it wasn't for his armor, he would have been dead or severely ****ed up.

 

Nope, Achilles will trying to hit an opponent that can "see" his attacks coming as if they were at slower speeds and is fast enough to counter or dodge and attack back.

[G4hardcore]

You're slightly underselling Achilles. Just slightly.

[Guest skadoosh]

Which means DD will easily "see" said spear or sword thrust and not get hit.

 

That isn't just a "billy club", it's also a cane and a grappling hook which can be used to disarm and entangle. Achilles gets his face smashed.

 

Really now? DD can avoid being shot by multiple bullets and do backflips while evading shards of glass thrown by a guy with basically perfect aim, but a spear thrust from a guy without super-speed is going to over-tax his abilities?

 

Incorrect. Hector hit him in the sternum; if it wasn't for his armor, he would have been dead or severely ****ed up.

 

I'm going to address the above things, in order.

 

Achilles is using weapons that don't make much sound at all, so it will be much more difficult for Daredevil to sense his attacks.

 

Achilles has a large shield to block attacks with, and he was shown to be able to easily dodge arrows and spears in the film.

 

Daredevil did not avoid everything Bullseye threw at him, he got hit more than once. Also, Kingpin hit him, too. And when fighting them he was trying his hardest, and he got severely beaten up in those fights, and in his fight with Elektra. Also, none of them have super-speed, so super-speed is irrelevant here.

 

Achilles was moving backwards when Hector's sword got him in the chest, and it barely scratched his armor. He would have got nothing more than a minor slice across his chest if he wasn't wearing armor, if that. And that is the only time he has ever been hit in all his years of war.

 

Remember, this is the film version of Daredevil, he is much less skilled and capable than his comic book counterpart, and Achilles in Troy was unrealistically good at fighting, and he's an expert, ruthless killer.

 

The enhanced senses are overlooked a lot, which is unfortunate. But I can't deny the fact that they give him an edge. That, combined with the superior* weaponry, makes for a match that would lean toward a victor clad in crimson leather, around 6/10 times.

 

True, they do give him a little edge, and the weapons are more different to each other than better than one another. I'm glad it's a close fight.

 

You're slightly underselling Achilles. Just slightly.

 

He was underestimating him quite a lot, actually.