Match 13095 Bryan Mills and John McClane vs. Jason Bourne and Frank Martin (The Transporter)

[Guest DeoJusto]

Bryan Mills' family has been taken. Jason Bourne is out to get the people who brainwashed him. John McClane is trying to stop some some terrorists, and transporter guy is trying to transport something. Maybe Brian Mills' family, I don't know, I never saw those movies.

 

Plot doesn't matter though. Bryan and John are going after these upstarts in Prague. There will be car chases, gunplay, martial arts, chase scenes, you name it. Each side has EXACTLY one bald person. Who wins, the lively and youthful, or the venerable and experienced?

[Callisto]

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John McClane

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Bryan Mills

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Jason Bourne

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[Guest deojusto]

Shoot, this was supposed to be a rumble.

[Guest bigballerju]

Don't worry about it. If nobody votes it won't hurt you from what I know. Good fight Deo. Team 1 could take it if they keep it to a weapons combat and chase. If they let it get to a H2H combat then Team 2 wins easily. Bourne and Frank would kick their asses in a H2H battle.

[Guest deojusto]

I wouldn't be so sure about the H2H supremacy.

 

I just rewatched Taken on cable, and Mills is a hand to hand machine. I think he could possibly go par to par with Bourne since they do roughly the same things. McClane has beaten people with way more martial arts experience then him, in part because he can survive beatings of with juggernautian like resilience. He also considers hitting people with trucks as part of hand to hand combat.

[Guest bigballerju]

McClane hasn't faced anyone on the level of Frank or Bourne though who would give him a hell of a beating. Completely out of his league. In H2H he gets taken out easily. Then Frank and Bourne double team Mills. Thats if Team One hasn't killed them before it gets to H2H in a weapons battle or car chase. Which in a car chase Team 2 is even superior in that with Frank.

[Confession FPT]

A!!! Team One has two stronger members on it. I don't think the Transporter could actually beat someone as well trained as the Taken or Die Hard guy.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

McClane is kinda out of his league.

[C.T.]

He's been out of his league in all his movies. He still manages to win.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Terrorists are very much in his league. Mills, Bourne and Martin would get through those guys easily.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

I've got my money on Team 2.

 

McLane is so much better than he should be and that works well for him... in the context of the films. He relies way too much on chance, luck, and pluckiness. Sure, he's resourceful. Sure, he's beyond determined. Sure, he's a decent hand-to-hand combatant and a great shooter. But I still think he's slightly out of his league here. He'll put up a fight, but I don't see him winning out in any individual engagement.

 

I think I saw Taken at the same time you did, Deo. I, too, was impressed by just how good Mills is. Really, his shown feats in hand-to-hand are roughly on par with what we see from Bourne. Brutal and direct, even if he doesn't have the lightning-fast reflexes and youth on his side. If anything, I see those latter two things being what gives Bourne the edge.

 

I haven't seen the Transporter films enough to really weigh in significantly, but I did catch one fight scene from... the second film, I think. It was absurd, because it was basically Statham single-handedly beating the crap out of about a dozen guys simultaneously. This fits with the series' over-the-top action film style (Taken and Bourne tend to be rooted more in reality). This also puts him out of the league of the other two, in my mind.

[leroypowell3]

I'm liking Bourne and The Transporter. There's enough argument about it so I'm just stating my vote option.

[Guest Drey Songs]

Nice fight deo. I believe team 2 has it in the bag cuz they are both young and quite experienced in their own way. Besides, transporter is one of d best car chase guys around. Mills is good and john is very good. But team 2 wins

[Guest Shadow Flesh]

I think Team One can take this

 

McClane can take out the Transporter. Just given how Frank beats his enemies all across the room instead of simply killing them in the most efficient way, I see McClane surviving long enough to pull off one of his hail-mary/MacGyver comebacks. And Bourne and Mills are nearly identical with their feats and styles, but in the Taken films Mills seems to be a bit more intelligent with how far in advance he thinks ahead (just barely) and that gives him the slight edge over Bourne.

[C.T.]

Terrorists are very much in his league. Mills, Bourne and Martin would get through those guys easily.

 

Um no, LAPD is generally not the go to guys for terrorists.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Those terrorists were unskilled goons with guns, John McClane was an extremely cunning, well-trained cop. Of course they were in his league.

 

Mills, Bourne and Martin, on the other hand, would be out of the terrorists' league. If you were put any of those three in the same situation McClane faced in the films, they'd breeze through.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

 

I think Team One can take this

McClane can take out the Transporter. Just given how Frank beats his enemies all across the room instead of simply killing them in the most efficient way, I see McClane surviving long enough to pull off one of his hail-mary/MacGyver comebacks. And Bourne and Mills are nearly identical with their feats and styles, but in the Taken films Mills seems to be a bit more intelligent with how far in advance he thinks ahead (just barely) and that gives him the slight edge over Bourne.

I don't buy it. I see what you're saying with the Frank/McLane thing, but I don't think Martin has ever been beaten in any of the films he was in. On the other hand, John most definitely has. Besides, those comebacks were against far less skilled opponents than Frank. Not to mention they were done by a younger and quicker John.

And I don't see the second part either. The two are similar, but I give it to Bourne. I can't give intelligence and operational planning to a guy who stalked a bunch of (mostly third world) kidnappers who had no idea who he was or that he was coming over a guy who eluded and defeated an entire CIA task force practically single-handedly. Bourne was always several steps ahead of any opposition, while Mills got captured and nearly killed. He's good, but I think Jason edges him out.

[Guest bigballerju]

McClane survives on luck and against these men luck won't win it. They are way too skilled for him to take down in combat or even survive. It's like I said before if McClane and Mills could put down Team 2 before it gets to a H2H combat they win. If they let it get to H2H then they lose. I could see McClane putting a bullet in Frank's head if he can get in a good shot. Mills and Bourne though are too skilled for either to take each other out with weapons.

[Guest skadoosh]

Bourne and Martin win this. Not easily, but they definitely do.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

This can go either way. All it takes is a few good shots.

[Guest deojusto]

John McClane can take a few good shots and keep going. All the arguments here keep on pointing out that he is totally overwhelmed by a more prepared enemy. I put it to you all that that is EXACTLY when John McClane is at his most unstoppable.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

Yeah, but more or less by sheer luck and by virtue of being the super-determined, plucky, cop hero. That's great for being the underdog against an entire small organization that doesn't realize what they're dealing with, where John can dictate the terms and let his apparent guardian angel handle the rest.

That's exactly what you do not want against guys like Bourne and Frank, though. They'll match everything John does best and then some. Someone like Bourne is taking the equivalent of McLane's determination, sticktoitiveness, and pluckiness and blending that with unbelievable amounts of skill, training, planning, and adaptability.

[Dark Spider-man]

Bourne and Transporter. Thing is even though John and Mills are great drivers, Transporter does that for a living so I think he will win this if it's a car chase. And Bourne isn't too shabby in driving either. In the first movie, Bourne uses a weak beetle to out run 2 to 4 motorcycles and a grip of police cars, in 2 he out drove cops WHILE he was wounded (That is why the cab got all messed up) cause he was't focusing entirely on the driving. He was focusing on his wound (trying to stop the bleeding) and drive the damn cab and still got away, that is boss status. In number three he stole a police car and drove in traffic New York City and still got away. Lol. But I think with the team like Bourne and Transporter driving is on there side in my opinion.

 

Shooting wise I have to give that to Team 1, the only good shooter on team two is Bourne, in my opinion.

 

H2H, Team 2 wins. Mills is older, Bourne is faster (as someone stated) but don't count Mills out because Bourne fought someone younger in his 3rd movie (Desh). And Bourne beat him because of his experience. So I think Mills can possibly handle one of them but both at the same time, he's screwed.

 

I'm giving it to Team 2.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

What's wrong with Frank Martin's shooting skills? Bourne's are probably a little better, but Martin's a guy who can shoot somebody in the head while driving a vehicle at high speeds.

[xLEGACYx]

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