Guest potterpuppetpals Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 The Naruto team get wiped out instantly. And to be honest, this whole Marvel vs DC vs DBZ thing just bores me now. If you're gonna do it, at least include different characters instead of all the obvious ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Because Manhunter was kicking his ass too badly? You know how difficult it is to throw a punch when there's someone bigger and stronger than you holding you down and beating the crap out of you, right? Really, you're grasping at straws now. Yes, but Manhunter has beaten Superman more frequently. I'm not familiar with any of these defeats, and your scans didn't show him defeating Superman. I do agree that defeating Ultraman shows that he could defeat Supes, but not that he would. On the other hand, this is unambiguous. J'onn gets in some good shots before Superman takes him down with one punch and they agree that Superman is more powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 What year is that from? That looks pre-crisis to me. If he can own Ultraman that badly, logic dictates he could do the same to Supes. He might be a little below the Man of Steel in terms of pure physical power (though his numerous showings demonstrate otherwise), but his other abilities more than make up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Those showed up in reverse order, but yeah... J'onn is one of the DC earth's most powerful heroes. He has more powers than Superman and is nearly as strong. He can hurt Prime with a punch, he can go toe to toe with Black Adam, he can stagger even the Specter with his telepathy. He's very powerful. But none of your scans show a clear victory over one of these foes (except Ultraman) and nothing anyone has shown backs up the statement that he has ever beaten Superman, let alone frequently. When did these frequent victories happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 I didn't say he's beaten Superman frequently, I said he's beaten Superman more frequently than Supes has beaten him. In Superman's favor, we have that one fight you posted, which I'm not even sure is canon with the current DCU. In Manhunter's favor, we have the two scans I posted earlier (Ultraman has exactly the same abilities as Supes-- the only difference is that he doesn't hold back, so there's no reason that instance shouldn't be taken as proof the Manhunter can defeat Superman. In the other scan I posted, Superman talked Manhunter down on the next page, but the Martian had a clear advantage). He also took out Apollo, who is in Superman's weight class, rather easily, even tanking a punch from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 What year is that from? That looks pre-crisis to me. My scans? Yes, they're pre-Crisis. DC Presents #27. If he can own Ultraman that badly, logic dictates he could do the same to Supes. He might be a little below the Man of Steel in terms of pure physical power (though his numerous showings demonstrate otherwise), but his other abilities more than make up for it. What are these "numerous showings" that prove he's more powerful? He was clearly less powerful in Pre-Crisis DC and in DCAU. Have they changed this since Crisis? The scans you've posted show that he's powerful enough to hurt (though not defeat) Superman, Black Adam, and Prime with a single attack, and that his telepathy can affect even the Spectre. (I haven't read that story, but it looks like he's trying to force Spectre to face some psychological truth rather than just telepathically blast him.) He's really powerful, and could conceivably beat Superman, but I'd guess no more than one time in ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 In the new 52 we know already Martian Manhunter fought the whole JLA and defeated Stormwatch when he left them. That's impressive already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 But, even Bishop can pummel J'onn pretty easily, and he doesn't even have super strength. Okay, I'm just being obnoxious here. I do not count the absurd X-Men vs. JLA fight in DC Versus Marvel as evidence of anything more than spectacularly bad writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 My scans? Yes, they're pre-Crisis. DC Presents #27. Then it's non-canon to the most recent versions of the characters. What are these "numerous showings" that prove he's more powerful? He was clearly less powerful in Pre-Crisis DC and in DCAU. Have they changed this since Crisis? The scans you've posted show that he's powerful enough to hurt (though not defeat) Superman, Black Adam, and Prime with a single attack, and that his telepathy can affect even the Spectre. (I haven't read that story, but it looks like he's trying to force Spectre to face some psychological truth rather than just telepathically blast him.) He's really powerful, and could conceivably beat Superman, but I'd guess no more than one time in ten. You're basically answering your own question. Supes could never take down Apollo, Adam and Prime like that-- under normal circumstances, he'd be lucky to stalemate any of the three. And like I said, owning Ultraman pretty much proves he can take down Superman in the same way. Hold on, one time in ten?! Manhunter's not that weak, he'd beat Superman more often than not. Even if you just take physical abilities into account, they're in the same league, but Manhunter's other abilities just put him ahead of Superman, plain and simple. Superman has no defense against Manhunter's telepathy, so he'd pretty much be screwed in an all out fight between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 You're basically answering your own question. Supes could never take down Apollo, Adam and Prime like that-- under normal circumstances, he'd be lucky to stalemate any of the three. And like I said, owning Ultraman pretty much proves he can take down Superman in the same way. Okay, but the scans don't show Manhunter beating these guys, they show him punching them. Are you saying that Superman isn't powerful enough to knock those guys down with a punch? Hold on, one time in ten?! Manhunter's not that weak, he'd beat Superman more often than not. Even if you just take physical abilities into account, they're in the same league, but Manhunter's other abilities just put him ahead of Superman, plain and simple. Superman has no defense against Manhunter's telepathy, so he'd pretty much be screwed in an all out fight between the two. Okay, you've talked me into three times out of ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 I agree with Dinsdale in his point that you haven't concretely shown that Manhunter is able to take out superman. You haven't shown a single instance where Martian Manhunter beat Post-Crisis New Earth Superman. In an actual fight though, Manhunter would definitely win. Even if Supes is faster, stronger, etc. Manhunter has too many extra abilities. Go intangible and then telepathically blast Supes until he goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comic_book_fan Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 i never said that martian manhunter could never beat superman i said he wasn't stronger and you have still not shown he is but my original point still stands that sentry is a match for the martian atleast keeping him busy while surfer finishes off hal surfer would still have enough to beat the martian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comic_book_fan Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 and to be fair talking about the age of the scans all but like 1 maybe 2 of your guys scans were before 52 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Okay good points on both sides. However I do have to bring up to be fair Superman has owned Ultraman's ass in a fight more then once. Even Supergirl defeated Ultraman. Superman could defeat Adam and Apollo . Although it would be a long fight for both. Aaah well new 52 like I said Martian Manhunter took down the entire Stormwatch. He has also fought the JLA though we didn't see that one fight. If i can find scans of the Manhunter vs Stormwatch fight I will show it Manhunter has also fought a couple other people with Stormwatch. Let me see what scans of new 52 I can find if you want to estimate how powerful he is new 52. I was debating Martian Manhunter before new 52 so your right about that. We know Superman new 52 is way more powerful then he was before new 52. Here is new 52 Martian Manhunter vs the Justice League however that's the only image they showed us of the fight so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comic_book_fan Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Okay good points on both sides. However I do have to bring up to be fair Superman has owned Ultraman's ass in a fight more then once. Even Supergirl defeated Ultraman. Superman could defeat Adam and Apollo . Although it would be a long fight for both. Aaah well new 52 like I said Martian Manhunter took down the entire Stormwatch. He has also fought the JLA though we didn't see that one fight. If i can find scans of the Manhunter vs Stormwatch fight I will show it Manhunter has also fought a couple other people with Stormwatch. Let me see what scans of new 52 I can find if you want to estimate how powerful he is new 52. I was debating Martian Manhunter before new 52 so your right about that. We know Superman new 52 is way more powerful then he was before new 52. Here is new 52 Martian Manhunter vs the Justice League however that's the only image they showed us of the fight so far. so this could just be a comic cover or is it the last page of a comic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 No this was a page during one of the Justice League issues. This was part of the fight they showed that happened in the past. That's all they showed of the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crzyrkrdd Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Lol i always feel like everyone is a factor, so im wondering why no one brought up the naruto teams genjutsu abilities, or the dbzs teams strengths with the fusions and piccolos many abilities, also the team of video game characters was never summerized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 People talk about the characters they're most interested in. When you have a battle with this many characters involved the conversation is naturally going to focus on the few who are most popular. My suggestion, if you want to have better discussions featuring DBZ and Naruto characters is to put them into one on one conflicts. Also, since Marvel and DC characters are generally better known and better liked on the boards, be prepared to give lots of information on the other characters. If you create something like Rock Lee vs. Spider-man, be prepared for people saying Spidey is much stronger and faster. If you want to argue that Rock is as good, or better, have some research ready, like a scan or a video of him performing a feat of strength or speed that can roughly be measured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I have been saying the DBZ and other universes actually will be a problem for Marvel. That's a plus for DC because DC's team is too fast and powerful for the other Universes to be a problem. However I could see them making things harder for Marvel and DC working with the other universes to take out Marvel. Gohan, Majin Buu, and Vegito would make things hard for Marvel. They could work together with DC to double team Marvel's heavy hitters. Surfer, Thor, and Sentry with there personalities wouldn't team up with the other teams. Superman and the DC team actually would do that because they know there chances of winning would be higher. Alot of ways the battle could go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comic_book_fan Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 silver surfer is as fast as anyone on team dc and way more powerful the z fghters will get owned by either dc or marvel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Surfer is going to be too busy with Green Lantern. Thor is going to be battling Superman, Wonder Woman, and even Goku at the same time in one hell of a brawl. The battle can go in any direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crzyrkrdd Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 Now what is the viewpoint of how the heroes will react to the genjutsu like the ones Sasuke has, like can Superman or Thor or Goku counter that on a mental level or do they have a good defence for it?Also Bjuu Naruto is powerful as he has set off blast powerful enough to hurt the juubi which is like a god in their universe, with kakashi and Jirayas skill also this team should not be counted out too early and also the DBZ team has more than just energy blasts and punches and kicks, Piccolo can stretch his body parts and change his size to extreme proportions, Gotenks has his ghost kamikaze which should be something to be able to hit MM pretty hard even if he phases, Vegito has different abilities also like his energy sword which should come in handy in the battle, Majin buu is just hard to destroy if u cant destroy his whole body which will be a problem and there's nothing really keeping him from absorbing the heroes, they wont get what he's doing because i don't think they've seen someone do it like that before, The video game team also has a few almost god level people like raiden and Kratos, and with the help of alucard and cloud and Asura they should not be forgotten in deciding, I like both Marvel and DC but those shouldn't be the only two factored in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Very true that's why I said the other universes would pose a problem for Marvel. Kratos and Raiden would be annoyances for Thor. DC wouldn't have problems with any of the other universes because there simply too fast and powerful. Surfer will be too busy with Green Lantern and won't own everybody like comic book fan keeps claiming. Hell Green Lantern Hal Jordan could defeat Surfer. Also one of the other problems is Majin Buu though once he starts to kill and absorb people more then likely Surfer as well Lantern make quick work of him together to remove him as a serious threat in the battle. Like I said before many ways the battle could go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kainboa Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 snip silver surfer is as fast as anyone on team dc Not quite, Silver Surfer isn't capable of going above the speed of light in normal space, in order to reach those speeds, he needs to jump into hyper space. This makes, at the very least, Superman, Martian Manhunter and Hal Jordan faster than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 It's established that the DC characters do this in normal space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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