Guest bigballerju Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The DC characters mentioned can move faster then the speed of light period. Normal space, Earth ,or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Pretty sure they can't on Earth, actually. Not without destroying the planet. It's why we only ever see them moving that fast in space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Only the Speed Force guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comic_book_fan Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 silver surfer is as fast as anyone on team dc Not quite, Silver Surfer isn't capable of going above the speed of light in normal space, in order to reach those speeds, he needs to jump into hyper space. This makes, at the very least, Superman, Martian Manhunter and Hal Jordan faster than him.he doesn't have to travel through hyperspace to reach the speed of light he just chooses to because it is faster and all the negitive effects it could have on the other planets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kainboa Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 he doesn't have to travel through hyperspace to reach the speed of light he just chooses to because it is faster and all the negitive effects it could have on the other planets. Then I suppose you have a scan which proves your claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comic_book_fan Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 i have comics on hand but no scaner do you have scans where the surfer says he has to enter hyperspace to travel light speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kainboa Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 i have comics on hand but no scaner do you have scans where the surfer says he has to enter hyperspace to travel light speed. No, I don't have any scans where he says he has to enter hyperspace, I do have several scans of him entering hyperspace to travel vast distances though. As for you not having any scanner, that's not actually a problem, simply provide the comic title and the number of the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The DC characters mentioned can move faster then the speed of light period. Normal space, Earth ,or whatever. Sounds like the difference is the DC writers can't be bothered to rationalize why their characters aren't bound by the rules of physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Heh it's comics when people start flying and breaking the sound barrier physics goes out the window to be honest. Flash and Superman have both hit light speed on Earth in the past. Flash I know for a fact has gone light speed more then once. (Speed force) Flash may have even gone FTL in the past as well. Superman I swear I remember him hitting light speed on Earth with flying. I would have to think further on that one. It's never been said that's why they don't go FTL on Earth. They just don't go that fast around cities or places where there are civilians. Once there away from such things they actually go faster and don't worry about there speed. Though they only go light speed when needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comic_book_fan Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 No, I don't have any scans where he says he has to enter hyperspace, I do have several scans of him entering hyperspace to travel vast distances though. As for you not having any scanner, that's not actually a problem, simply provide the comic title and the number of the issue.silversurfer annual 3 the korvac quest from 1991 he outruns all of the guardians of the galaxy to the point they can't even see him including starhawk who is well known as an ftl charicter until he slows down and lets them catch up and he doesn't enter hyperspace then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comic_book_fan Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Heh it's comics when people start flying and breaking the sound barrier physics goes out the window to be honest. Flash and Superman have both hit light speed on Earth in the past. Flash I know for a fact has gone light speed more then once. (Speed force) Flash may have even gone FTL in the past as well. Superman I swear I remember him hitting light speed on Earth with flying. I would have to think further on that one. It's never been said that's why they don't go FTL on Earth. They just don't go that fast around cities or places where there are civilians. Once there away from such things they actually go faster and don't worry about there speed. Though they only go light speed when needed.flash can because his mastery of the speed force allows him to without worrying about the laws of physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treacherous Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Faster than light... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Heh it's comics when people start flying and breaking the sound barrier physics goes out the window to be honest. They're doing things that are highly improbable, for sure, but there's nothing in the concept of flying, or breaking the sound barrier that violates the laws of physics. All you need is the fight mechanism and you can do either one. There was a man who recently broke the sound barrier in a suborbital jump from a balloon. Moving faster than the speed of light in normal space is impossible, period. There is no way, either known or theoretical, to do it. It's not a case of needing more power, it's simply something that matter cannot do. If a writer wants to make a character get from point a to point b in less time than it would take for light to travel the distance, there are lots of gimmicks you can use like hyperspace or wormholes or going backwards in time. They're all hypothetical at best but they do acknowledge that you can't go faster than light in normal space. To claim you can is lazy writing, pure and simple. Flash and Superman have both hit light speed on Earth in the past. Flash I know for a fact has gone light speed more then once. (Speed force) Flash may have even gone FTL in the past as well. Superman I swear I remember him hitting light speed on Earth with flying. I would have to think further on that one. It's never been said that's why they don't go FTL on Earth. They just don't go that fast around cities or places where there are civilians. Once there away from such things they actually go faster and don't worry about there speed. Though they only go light speed when needed. When Silver Surfer first appeared there was no mention of hyperspace or anything like that. He just flew at galaxy crossing speeds. Marvel's use of hyperspace now is a fairly recent concession to SF conventions. If DC isn't doing something similar, you should look at an earlier version of the Surfer. Sloppy writing should not be taken as a legitimate advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 It's comics I don't read them for anything to be realistic or anything like that. LOL I want my heroes going FTL in space and being able to throw moons like a baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comic_book_fan Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 even in comics now the hyperspace thing is only to save time when he is traveling very long distances he can travel faster than light without entering hyperspace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Show scans then of Surfer going FTL currently without hyperspace because he has been shown to need hyperspace to go FTL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kainboa Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 snip silversurfer annual 3 the korvac quest from 1991 okay, so your proof that Silver Surfer is capable of flying faster than light, without needing to enter hyperspace, is a 22 year old comic... I don't think anything more needs to be said. even in comics now the hyperspace thing is only to save time when he is traveling very long distances he can travel faster than light without entering hyperspace. I will repeat my question, but specify it a bit more. Do you have any proof, whether it is a scan or the name and issue number of the comic, from even the last 10 years, which validates your claim, that Silver Surfer is capable of flying faster than light, without having to enter hyperspace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 You guys have narrowed the question where it's effectively who is faster, but without using hyperspace, and no argument more than 10 years old counts. That sounds like stacking the deck to me, but it does fit Crzykd's original question. My question is this? Why does it matter? FTL speed--whether you're talking about hyperspace, or speed force, or just ignoring physical reality--is all about getting from point A to point B quickly. I don't get why a character a character who can get from here to Alpha Centauri in half an hour is 'faster' than one who does the same thing by racing through hyperspace. I suppose the argument would make sense if the surfer were doing something like the New Gods do with their boom tubes, just opening a physics defying doorway and stepping through. That's not the way its presented. Marvel seems to be following a convention that, once you pass light speed, you drop out of normal space into a different sort of space where such limits don't apply. I don't know of any comic that explicitly says this, but it's a common convention in SF and I don't think anyone can show me a scan of the Surfer entering hyperspace without first accelerating to amazing speeds in normal space. More to the point: why, in a fight, does it matter whether a character can move FTL? Has Superman ever used FTL speed to win a fight? Has the Flash? Maybe Flash could beat the Surfer in a race from here to Pluto (assuming the Surfer is forbidden to use hyperspace) but what possible difference does that make if the two fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Both Superman and the Flash have FTL combat speed as well as travel speed (physics be damned). Silver Surfer doesn't, he jumps into hyperspace whenever he needs to move at those speeds, so he can't really use it for combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 My question stands. When have Superman or Flash ever used FTL speed in a fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I dunno. Look it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 How about when he ran rings around a White Martian Speedster named Zum and punched him into orbit? http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108927/2182921-marttian.jpghttp://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/8494/511701-flash_imp.jpghttp://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/8494/511700-flash_imp2_super.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Flash has also used FTL speed in combat when fighting Reverse Flash. Superman I believe has used it against Darkseid. That's off the top of my head at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 How about when he ran rings around a White Martian Speedster named Zum and punched him into orbit? Cool! Though Flash clearly said: "as I approach the speed of light..." (emphasis mine) There's np mention of exceeding the speed of light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Flash has also used FTL speed in combat when fighting Reverse Flash. Superman I believe has used it against Darkseid. That's off the top of my head at the moment. I'd prefer to see a scan or a quote. People's recollections of these things are sometimes off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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