N7 vs. Jedi

[C.T.]

How much experience do you need to open fire on the tangos heading your way looking for a fight?

 

None.

[xLEGACYx]

How much experience do you need to open fire on the tangos heading your way looking for a fight?

 

None.

but like stated at the start. the jedi can close the gap in the time it takes the N7 to react

[C.T.]

Adrenaline Rush can make up for that pretty well once they're in range, just use it and blast with a shotgun...he can take down two, maybe 3 Jedi right off the bat.

[xLEGACYx]

Adrenaline Rush can make up for that pretty well once they're in range, just use it and blast with a shotgun...he can take down two, maybe 3 Jedi right off the bat.

adrenaline wont make up for the speed, agility, and precog provided by the force.

[Guest force_echo]

What? 3 seconds is more than enough for MODERN soldiers to unleash fully on targets, forget extremely well trained soldiers with genetic enhancements.

[C.T.]

Actually it will. It actually makes everyone seem like they're in slow motion...and about precog, there's predicting what will occur, and actually doing something to prevent it. Once they're in range and the guy switches on AR, they will be too slow. And even if they weren't, they're focusing on him, allowing one of the others to take em down.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

Very few special forces training actually choose from already distinguished, elite special forces officers. and that's BEFORE the first cut. That's not even the start of the training. As for the 20 hours thing, its true that SEALs go through the same thing for about a week, but they get 4 meals a day. N recruits get barely any food.

 

Also, it makes sense that they would have to be that trained, because their fighting a different game. They're not only trained in ground ops, they have to do "zero-G fighting, military free-fall (parachuting), jetboot/jetpack flight, combat diver qualification, close-quarter combatives instructor courses, first responder/combat lifesaver training for human and alien biology, language instruction, assault procedures, naval gunfire training, close air support courses, diplomacy, driving, maintaining, and shooting from several types of vehicles and powered armor, and joint communications courses." And that's not even the complete run.

 

A few do, actually. I can name several off the top of my head. Ranger School also sees a lot of special operations guys -- it's practically required at some point in their career. I'd like to see this aforementioned blog post; I don't see any specification of only special forces guys being invited. Regardless, it's pretty common for a soldier to have to be exemplary and pass a screening process before attending a specialty course.

 

And again, the whole "little food and sleep" thing is pretty common. A friend of mine recently went through a course in which he got less than seven hours of sleep... over a period of roughly four and a half days, with extremely strenuous physical activity throughout. And four meals a day? Not in practice. Even in basic Army infantry training you often end up with less than that during FTX and the like.

 

The only things on that list that have no directly comparable equivalent to the training most modern special ops troops receive are zero-G fighting and alien biology. All the others exist in the train-up of many special ops troops. Naturally N personnel will be trained in some subjects modern guys wouldn't be, but as for the actual quality of training in the fundamentals, I think they're comparable.

 

ICT simply strikes me as a potentially Delta Force-level selection and training course with other TRADOC courses all rolled into one, neat package. Not some uber-super soldier ninja school which modern mere mortals can't hope to comprehend.

[xLEGACYx]

Actually it will. It actually makes everyone seem like they're in slow motion...and about precog, there's predicting what will occur, and actually doing something to prevent it. Once they're in range and the guy switches on AR, they will be too slow. And even if they weren't, they're focusing on him, allowing one of the others to take em down.

i have looked over the specs echo provided and have not seen anything that a master jedi could not counter

[C.T.]

They can counter blasters too and yet, it is possible to take them down with those.

[xLEGACYx]

They can counter blasters too and yet, it is possible to take them down with those.

normally when its dozens at once.

 

grenades are hurled back and the specs say nothing about the armor resisting the heat produced by a saber. Also the Jedi are much more skilled in close combat seeing as its the only combat they really use.

[C.T.]

Well yeah, but with anything less then a chaingun blaster the sheer amount of projectiles from a shotgun is equal to the shots from at least ten normal blasters, at least over a few second period. Actually, probably even more.

[xLEGACYx]

Well yeah, but with anything less then a chaingun blaster the sheer amount of projectiles from a shotgun is equal to the shots from at least ten normal blasters, at least over a few second period. Actually, probably even more.

but with actual projectile bullets the master jedi could repel a shotgun blast due to the small size of the projectiles it should not be difficult. blaster bolts have no physical property to deflect. Jedi have snatched small ships from the air so small projectiles should be no problem

[Guest force_echo]

A few do, actually. I can name several off the top of my head. Ranger School also sees a lot of special operations guys -- it's practically required at some point in their career. I'd like to see this aforementioned blog post; I don't see any specification of only special forces guys being invited. Regardless, it's pretty common for a soldier to have to be exemplary and pass a screening process before attending a specialty course.

 

And again, the whole "little food and sleep" thing is pretty common. A friend of mine recently went through a course in which he got less than seven hours of sleep... over a period of roughly four and a half days, with extremely strenuous physical activity throughout. And four meals a day? Not in practice. Even in basic Army infantry training you often end up with less than that during FTX and the like.

 

The only things on that list that have no directly comparable equivalent to the training most modern special ops troops receive are zero-G fighting and alien biology. All the others exist in the train-up of many special ops troops. Naturally N personnel will be trained in some subjects modern guys wouldn't be, but as for the actual quality of training in the fundamentals, I think they're comparable.

 

ICT simply strikes me as a potentially Delta Force-level selection and training course with other TRADOC courses all rolled into one, neat package. Not some uber-super soldier ninja school which modern mere mortals can't hope to comprehend.

http://blog.bioware....stems-alliance/

[Guest force_echo]

normally when its dozens at once.

 

grenades are hurled back and the specs say nothing about the armor resisting the heat produced by a saber. Also the Jedi are much more skilled in close combat seeing as its the only combat they really use.

What are you talking about? There are Mandalorians, like the Fetts, which can put down jedi masters single-handedly, and that's without the equipment N7 soldiers have.

 

Ceramic Armor is designed to take heat, and is highly effective against plasma weapons. In fact, Wikipedia directly states that the ceramic inserts in bulletproof vests would render plasma based weapons ineffective, and ceramic tech in the ME Universe is probably more high tech. The point about close combat is a weakness, not a strength, they're not starting out at close combat conditions, and they can't deal with the firepower the N7 soldiers put out.

[Guest force_echo]

but with actual projectile bullets the master jedi could repel a shotgun blast due to the small size of the projectiles it should not be difficult. blaster bolts have no physical property to deflect. Jedi have snatched small ships from the air so small projectiles should be no problem

They can't repel any projectile from the N7's weapons because they aren't encased in magnetic field, which is how they block and repel blaster shots. And the logic about the ships make absolutely no sense. A small ship is many times easier to grab then hundreds of aimed fast moving projectiles.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

http://blog.bioware....stems-alliance/

 

Yeah, pretty much matches what I said. Strange that it only allows officers, though.

[C.T.]

It's not as easy as you make it out to be. It's not like the Matrix where Neo can just hold up his hand and stop them all at once with ease.

 

They're small and fast, coming from a few different directions while to one of the shooters, the targets seem to be moving in slow motion.

 

They're up against individuals arguably as skilled as your average Mandalorian with powers on top of that. However I will give you that their equipment isn't as anti-lightsaber as Mando beskar is and the experience thing, like force_echo said, goes both ways.

[Guest force_echo]

They're probably as skilled as Mandalorian Warlords or the likes of Boba/Jango Fett, if not more so.

 

@Redfield: Well either way, I think we can agree that these are extremely skilled and competent individuals. Maybe not Spartan level since they haven't been trained since 6, but impressive.

[Guest The Lord Dragon Reborn]

"Force speed, also known as burst of speed or Force sprint, was a core Force power that allowed the user to maintain sprinting speeds for a brief time. Greater aptitude granted greater boosts to speed and/or greater duration. The increased speed of the Force-user enabled them to see the world and the entities around them in slow motion, allowing them to dodge attacks easily and attack quicker with greater accuracy. The power also apparently enabled the user to run for extended distances with no visible signs of fatigue."

[Guest The Lord Dragon Reborn]

"Precognition was a universal Force power.

The ability of foresight was perhaps universal to the Jedi or Force-sensitives and was manifested in the form of Force visions of future events, or helped the Jedi predict his opponent's movements."

[Guest The Lord Dragon Reborn]

"Force Jump, also known as Force Leap, used the Force to augment the user's natural leaping ability. Force-users adept in this technique could perform awe-inspiring vertical/horizontal leaps with impunity.

 

Using the Force to enhance one's jumping ability was one of the most commonly used Force powers by Force-users throughout history. The height to which a user could jump varied depending on skill level and physique; however, most Jedi Masters could easily jump several times their own height. Jedi Knight Jaden Korr was known to have been able to jump up to eight times higher than a normal jump^[1] and a Jedi during the Battle of Galidraan was able to jump high enough to reach the Mandalorian Myles who was flying high in the air using a Jetpack and cut him in half.^[2] A skilled user could leap tremendous distances when combining this technique with that of the muscle enhancing Force speed."

[Guest The Lord Dragon Reborn]

^{"Force Deflection was a Force power used by Jedi and Sith who were without a lightsaber, or chose not to carry one. It took much skill in the Force to use this, however, and most Jedi used their lightsabers instead to deflect incoming attacks.}

^{While training with the Beast Master Thon on the planetAmbria, Nomi Sunrider, her daughter Vima, and Thon were attacked by Bogga the Hutt's gang of pirates. When the thugs fired upon Thon and his apprentices from their hovercraft, the TchuukthaiJedi was able to use the Force and repel the incoming salvo bombardment.}

^{Nomi Sunrider used this ability to deflect a blaster bolt barehanded."}

[Guest The Lord Dragon Reborn]

..... all of that without using a lightsaber and that's just scratching the surface.

 

I'm not saying that no one can defeat a Jedi but, you put 4 trained soldiers against 4 JEDI MASTERS! They have no chance. This match would have been a lot closer as N7's vs Jedi Knights.

[Guest force_echo]

What? Posting a bunch of definitions of force powers isn't making an argument about who could win. Lightsabers can't deflect the projectiles from mass effect, I doubt they could vaporize them either, and I pretty much know from demonstrated cutting power of the saber that they would not be able to vaporize tungsten rounds. In fact, if they tried, they might end up with scalding hot molten metal on their face. As for Force deflection, it takes considerable effort to use it against blaster bolts. Mass Effect projectiles are travelling far faster, and ME rifles have a far higher rate of fire than blasters.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

@Redfield: Well either way, I think we can agree that these are extremely skilled and competent individuals. Maybe not Spartan level since they haven't been trained since 6, but impressive.

 

Of course. I never said they weren't. I was just pointing out that making their lowest skill level equivalent to some of the very best modern warriors today was a bit of a stretch. I'm still favoring the N7 victory here.

 

And Lord Dragon: why, pray tell, did you feel the need to post five consecutive posts?