Iron Man vs. Thanos

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

iirc Tony can't copy Doom's feats since Doom's application is typically a mix of magic and technology...

 

That's a more recent development. Back when he built that gizmo he never mentioned magic. But what Treacherous said is probably right.

[Guest The Lord Dragon Reborn]

All that being said, I still feel that this is a stomp for Thanos

[Guest sirmethos]

The one time that Silver Surfer managed to defeat Thanos, was in the Astral Plane. Any time the two of them have physically fought, Thanos has dominated him.

[xLEGACYx]

All that being said, I still feel that this is a stomp for Thanos

thats because it is. Some just want to try an amp Iron Man up to be more than he really is. His whole Godkiller pitch came from splitting the pheonix (which he didnt kill) and he had beast, pym, reed and tchalla helping him with it. Thanos is considered a universal threat, Tony has no chance whatsoever without extreme help.

 

 

There are many normally used characters that can take out Iron Man.

[treacherous]

Truth be told, Tony would have trouble taking out Thanos' chair. That chair is a beast.

[Guest force_echo]

The one time that Silver Surfer managed to defeat Thanos, was in the Astral Plane. Any time the two of them have physically fought, Thanos has dominated him.

Yes, all two of them. And in both cases, Silver Surfer wasn't trying to kill Thanos by any means. To give an example of a situation where he actually was desperate, in Annihilation, a near-dead Sufer was able to surmount the power output of a fully powered Thanos. If Surfer was actually trying, he would dominate Thanos.

 

Also, more out-of-context-ness. In one of those fights with SS, the one with the famous scan where Surfer blasts him "with his best hit" and Thanos is unaffected, the one where Thanos "kills" Surfer, Thanos was upgraded by Death. Context, kids. It will do wonders for you.

[xLEGACYx]

The one time that Silver Surfer managed to defeat Thanos, was in the Astral Plane. Any time the two of them have physically fought, Thanos has dominated him.

Surfer could never truly beat Thanos even on Surfer's best day. The only thing that would give him a chance would be a MASSIVE power up.

[Guest sirmethos]

Yes, all two of them. And in both cases, Silver Surfer wasn't trying to kill Thanos by any means. To give an example of a situation where he actually was desperate, in Annihilation, a near-dead Sufer was able to surmount the power output of a fully powered Thanos. If Surfer was actually trying, he would dominate Thanos.

 

Also, more out-of-context-ness. In one of those fights with SS, the one with the famous scan where Surfer blasts him "with his best hit" and Thanos is unaffected, Thanos was upgraded by Death. Context, kids. It will do wonders for you.

 

I haven't given any "out of context" information here.

 

1. "the one time that Surfer has defeated Thanos, they were fighting on the astral plane". There is no context missing there, just a simple fact.

 

2. "any time the two of them have physically fought, Thanos has dominated him". Again, no context missing.

[Guest force_echo]

I wasn't talking specifically to you. My point was that mainly that one of the instances where Thanos beat Surfer he was augmented by Death, for the people who think that he killed Surfer under his own power.

[treacherous]

So I just read a Force comment in a quote and he says that Thanos wouldn't have anything if he weren't upgraded by Death. Well, that's like saying Surfer would be weak if he weren't upgraded by Galactus. Well that's kinda his thing isn't it. Batman wouldn't be anything if he didnt have lots of money and dead parents. Cap wouldn't be anything without super soldier serum. Thanos worships Death. It's kinda his thing. He's upgrades himself through tech, magic and Death. It's sorta his thing. So, of course she's going to empower him when it suits her. It's still Thanos. Might as well say Silver Surfer wouldn't stand a chance without the thing that makes him inherently who he is (Galactus' power cosmic).

[The Void]

He took a half-assed blast from Galactus and Odin and was severely injured.

1. That blast was better than anything Tony can dish out. And Galactus was in a way impressed was Thanos shielding.

This is what Galactus says...(I have the comic).

 

"Very impressive Titan, Never before have I had to so exert myself in order to pierce a mere force field."

 

That was not a "half-assed blast", but Galactus did say the next one would be the end. But again more than anything Tony can dish out.

 

2. When was Odin severely injured?

 

 

And he was able to one-up surfer because Surfer wasn't trying to kill him. Surfer even said that Thanos is essential to the Universe. The one time that Surfer was actually truly mad at him, he dominated Thanos.

 

1. Incorrect, Surfer once before tried to blast Thanos with a FULL blast, but it did nothing to Galactus.

2. If Thanos is so important to the universe why did Drax kill him? And also him being dead barely had a effect on the universe. Odin's death actually did, but not Thanos.

3. Surfer never once dominated Thanos.

 

Iron Man, with a month's prep is definitely powerful enough to soften up Thanos, he was able to put a fight to thanos with the Infinity Gauntles with a Celestial Powered Armor he reverse engineered, and that was far less than a month's prep.

 

Thanos was not even trying when he fought the heros with the Infinity Gauntle...Again the reality gem is Tony's only hope, but is it above Death's power?

 

Oh and Thanos resources>Tony's resources.

 

The Bleeding Edge armor could physically put a fight to Thanos as is, a whole month to specialize it, and put a defense against Thanos' matter manipulation (really the only threat to Stark), and Thanos is going down.

 

No...That's not the only threat to Tony. How is Tony going to get through Thanos shielding which took blasts from Silver Surfer, Galactus, Odin, Fallen One, Classic Drax(who was a planet buster btw), Thor, Kosmos,etc,etc.

 

Also his energy blast which was said to destroy planets and knock Galactus down.

 

But it gets worse....I have a question. Does Tony have any armor that is resistant to telepathy? Because Thanos telepathy power is on a whole nothing level than people on Earth. He was able to defeat one of Marvels greatest telepath...Moondragon in a telepathy battle. Not only that he was also able to get inside Galactus mind for a short period. So how would Tony fair out?

 

So again does any of his armor have a defense against telepathy? Because he uses it a lot.

 

 

 

Also, for the purposes of this fight, if Stark manages to kill Thanos, it's a win for Stark, regardless of Thanos coming back because he's immortal.

 

I already told you Thanos comes back instally. He would kill Tony and Tony would not know what to do.

 

Here's a example.

 

 

 

Look how instantly he reforms and comes back. How is Tony going to put him down? Tony is not going to win by killing him. His only chances are BFR and I doubt Thanos would allow Tony to do that.

[Guest force_echo]

So I just read a Force comment in a quote and he says that Thanos wouldn't have anything if he weren't upgraded by Death. Well, that's like saying Surfer would be weak if he weren't upgraded by Galactus. Well that's kinda his thing isn't it. Batman wouldn't be anything if he didnt have lots of money and dead parents. Cap wouldn't be anything without super soldier serum. Thanos worships Death. It's kinda his thing. He's upgrades himself through tech, magic and Death. It's sorta his thing. So, of course she's going to empower him when it suits her. It's still Thanos. Might as well say Silver Surfer wouldn't stand a chance without the thing that makes him inherently who he is (Galactus' power cosmic).

This argument is not only stupid, but demonstrates a failure of what the word "augmented" means, I.e, his power level was increased beyond its normal level by an outside force. He does not need have access to that agumentation regularly, he can't do it by himself.. Silver Surfer always has access to the Power Cosmic. That's like saying Spider-Man always has access to the powers he had when he was Captain Universe. So no, you're pretty much completely wrong.

[C.T.]

 

This argument is not only stupid, but demonstrates a failure of what the word "augmented" means, I.e, his power level was increased beyond its normal level by an outside force. He does not need have access to that agumentation regularly, he can't do it by himself.. Silver Surfer always has access to the Power Cosmic. That's like saying Spider-Man always has access to the powers he had when he was Captain Universe. So no, you're pretty much completely wrong.

 

Here ya go treach. Just so you can see it.

 

 

[Guest force_echo]

1. That blast was better than anything Tony can dish out. And Galactus was in a way impressed was Thanos shielding.

This is what Galactus says...(I have the comic).

 

"Very impressive Titan, Never before have I had to so exert myself in order to pierce a mere force field."

 

That was not a "half-assed blast", but Galactus did say the next one would be the end. But again more than anything Tony can dish out.

 

2. When was Odin severely injured?

 

 

 

 

1. Incorrect, Surfer once before tried to blast Thanos with a FULL blast, but it did nothing to Galactus.

2. If Thanos is so important to the universe why did Drax kill him? And also him being dead barely had a effect on the universe. Odin's death actually did, but not Thanos.

3. Surfer never once dominated Thanos.

 

 

 

Thanos was not even trying when he fought the heros with the Infinity Gauntle...Again the reality gem is Tony's only hope, but is it above Death's power?

 

Oh and Thanos resources>Tony's resources.

 

 

 

No...That's not the only threat to Tony. How is Tony going to get through Thanos shielding which took blasts from Silver Surfer, Galactus, Odin, Fallen One, Classic Drax(who was a planet buster btw), Thor, Kosmos,etc,etc.

 

Also his energy blast which was said to destroy planets and knock Galactus down.

 

But it gets worse....I have a question. Does Tony have any armor that is resistant to telepathy? Because Thanos telepathy power is on a whole nothing level than people on Earth. He was able to defeat one of Marvels greatest telepath...Moondragon in a telepathy battle. Not only that he was also able to get inside Galactus mind for a short period. So how would Tony fair out?

 

So again does any of his armor have a defense against telepathy? Because he uses it a lot.

 

I already told you Thanos comes back instally. He would kill Tony and Tony would not know what to do.

 

Look how instantly he reforms and comes back. How is Tony going to put him down? Tony is not going to win by killing him. His only chances are BFR and I doubt Thanos would allow Tony to do that.

1. How do you know? In Tony's old armor, he was able to get past Galactus' force fields and visibly hurt him too. The fact of the matter is that Thanos never presented a real threat to Galactus, and the scan where he knocks Galactus back with his blast (which is incredibly stupid) was a starving Galactus. The fact of the matter is that a 100% Galactus could simply wish Thanos out of existence. silver Surfer has done more damage to Galactus than Thanos has, Thanos is an annoyance at best to Galactus.

 

2. Thanos was. Like Galactus, Thanos never really posed a threat to Odin. He was an annoyance at best. Yes, he made himself known, but he never actually harmed Odin, and Odin sent him away with a marginal blast. Again, not a very impressive showing.

 

1. Thanos was augmented by Death at that time.

2. Noone said a damn thing about Drax. I said that Surfer deemed him important to the Universe, learn to read.

3. Actually, he did, on the astral plane. Plus, the fact that he put out more raw power than Thanos in Annihilation when Surfer was near death (he wasn't even able to stand).

 

The reality gem is not Tony's only hope. It doesn't matter how many resources Thanos has, he can't use any of them, Tony is the one with the prep.

 

With an augmented suit of armor. Hell, Bleeding Edge by itself is a planet buster, a month's prep and he could probably build something capable enough to get past Thanos' force fields, or barring that, find another way to "win".

 

Yes, Tony has a number of anti-telepathic software. Plus the fact that ever since he was Director of Shield, his mind is nigh invulnerable to telepathy by itself.

 

It doesn't matter what you told me. I am telling you for this match, if Tony kills him it will count as a win, regardless of whether he comes back up or not.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

What's the point of a win that would last 3 seconds? Thanos would come back and obliterate him. Living to fight another day is a win.

[treacherous]

 

 

Here ya go treach. Just so you can see it.

 

Yeah, bippity boppity boo. Thanos wins easily. Nova please don't show me anything he says again.

[C.T.]

Yes sir Cobra Commander.

[The Void]

"1. How do you know? In Tony's old armor, he was able to get past Galactus' force fields and visibly hurt him too. The fact of the matter is that Thanos never presented a real threat to Galactus, and the scan where he knocks Galactus back with his blast (which is incredibly stupid) was a starving Galactus. The fact of the matter is that a 100% Galactus could simply wish Thanos out of existence. silver Surfer has done more damage to Galactus than Thanos has, Thanos is an annoyance at best to Galactus."

 

 

Show me a scan of Iron Man getting passed Galactus shielding.

 

 

"2. Thanos was. Like Galactus, Thanos never really posed a threat to Odin. He was an annoyance at best. Yes, he made himself known, but he never actually harmed Odin, and Odin sent him away with a marginal blast. Again, not a very impressive showing."

 

 

You missed my point...My point was he shielding took a blast from Odin not Thanos being able to hurt him.

 

 

"1. Thanos was augmented by Death at that time.

2. Noone said a damn thing about Drax. I said that Surfer deemed him important to the Universe, learn to read.

3. Actually, he did, on the astral plane. Plus, the fact that he put out more raw power than Thanos in Annihilation when Surfer was near death (he wasn't even able to stand)."

 

 

1.Pre Death Thanos would easily beat Iron Man. Just saying, he already solo'ed the Avengers(Iron Man included) with Captain Marvel.

2.No need to get moody. My point was Thanos isn't considered important to the universe by everyone.

3. I hope you know current Thanos>Current Silver Surfer. Thanos was taking on Mar-Vell(now skyfather level) who one shotted Silver Surfer and killed Magnus(who teleported dozens of planets at one time and easily defeated Silver Surfer).

 

 

"The reality gem is not Tony's only hope. It doesn't matter how many resources Thanos has, he can't use any of them, Tony is the one with the prep."

 

 

What resources does Tony have that Thanos doesn't. Thanos with his chair can go back in time and he can kill Tony.

 

 

"With an augmented suit of armor. Hell, Bleeding Edge by itself is a planet buster, a month's prep and he could probably build something capable enough to get past Thanos' force fields, or barring that, find another way to "win"."

 

 

I hope you know Thanos shielding withstood planet busting attacks and he got up from it like nothing. One example his fight with classic Drax.

 

 

"Yes, Tony has a number of anti-telepathic software. Plus the fact that ever since he was Director of Shield, his mind is nigh invulnerable to telepathy by itself."

 

Okay...

 

But has he ever resisted telepathy from people like Xavier? Just asking, because Thanos telepathy is greater than Xavier's.

 

 

"It doesn't matter what you told me. I am telling you for this match, if Tony kills him it will count as a win, regardless of whether he comes back up or not."

 

 

If you call that a win than whatever I guess...Because Starks only chance is BFR...

[xLEGACYx]

This argument is not only stupid, but demonstrates a failure of what the word "augmented" means, I.e, his power level was increased beyond its normal level by an outside force. He does not need have access to that agumentation regularly, he can't do it by himself.. Silver Surfer always has access to the Power Cosmic. That's like saying Spider-Man always has access to the powers he had when he was Captain Universe. So no, you're pretty much completely wrong.

Seeing as how that is the way his power works, its a regular power up he has. Similar to Hulk, the madder he gets the stronger he gets. For Thanos, the more power he needs, the more Death will give him.

 

Lets look at this realistically though. Who are the characters that Tony fights and still has problems with? Out of those characters, which could stand up to Thanos by his lonesome?

 

 

sorry treach. I like to poke the angry animal in the cage.

[treacherous]

Yes sir Cobra Commander.

 

I said please!

[Guest force_echo]

"1. How do you know? In Tony's old armor, he was able to get past Galactus' force fields and visibly hurt him too. The fact of the matter is that Thanos never presented a real threat to Galactus, and the scan where he knocks Galactus back with his blast (which is incredibly stupid) was a starving Galactus. The fact of the matter is that a 100% Galactus could simply wish Thanos out of existence. silver Surfer has done more damage to Galactus than Thanos has, Thanos is an annoyance at best to Galactus."

 

 

Show me a scan of Iron Man getting passed Galactus shielding.

 

 

"2. Thanos was. Like Galactus, Thanos never really posed a threat to Odin. He was an annoyance at best. Yes, he made himself known, but he never actually harmed Odin, and Odin sent him away with a marginal blast. Again, not a very impressive showing."

 

 

You missed my point...My point was he shielding took a blast from Odin not Thanos being able to hurt him.

 

 

"1. Thanos was augmented by Death at that time.

2. Noone said a damn thing about Drax. I said that Surfer deemed him important to the Universe, learn to read.

3. Actually, he did, on the astral plane. Plus, the fact that he put out more raw power than Thanos in Annihilation when Surfer was near death (he wasn't even able to stand)."

 

 

1.Pre Death Thanos would easily beat Iron Man. Just saying, he already solo'ed the Avengers(Iron Man included) with Captain Marvel.

2.No need to get moody. My point was Thanos isn't considered important to the universe by everyone.

3. I hope you know current Thanos>Current Silver Surfer. Thanos was taking on Mar-Vell(now skyfather level) who one shotted Silver Surfer and killed Magnus(who teleported dozens of planets at one time and easily defeated Silver Surfer).

 

 

"The reality gem is not Tony's only hope. It doesn't matter how many resources Thanos has, he can't use any of them, Tony is the one with the prep."

 

 

What resources does Tony have that Thanos doesn't. Thanos with his chair can go back in time and he can kill Tony.

 

 

"With an augmented suit of armor. Hell, Bleeding Edge by itself is a planet buster, a month's prep and he could probably build something capable enough to get past Thanos' force fields, or barring that, find another way to "win"."

 

 

I hope you know Thanos shielding withstood planet busting attacks and he got up from it like nothing. One example his fight with classic Drax.

 

 

"Yes, Tony has a number of anti-telepathic software. Plus the fact that ever since he was Director of Shield, his mind is nigh invulnerable to telepathy by itself."

 

Okay...

 

But has he ever resisted telepathy from people like Xavier? Just asking, because Thanos telepathy is greater than Xavier's.

 

 

"It doesn't matter what you told me. I am telling you for this match, if Tony kills him it will count as a win, regardless of whether he comes back up or not."

 

 

If you call that a win than whatever I guess...Because Starks only chance is BFR...

Keep in mind that this a very old armor. The Bleeding Edge is more advanced than all of his other armors put together.

 

Odin wasn't trying to kill Thanos. Iron Man could take an annoyed slap from Odin too. And the funny thing is, Thanos was still injured by the blast. If Odin was actually trying to kill Thanos, he would have obliterated him in one shot.

 

1. Yes, and Iron Man was in his classic armor when that happened. He's upgraded just a little since then.

 

2. I never said he was. He's considered essential to the Universe by SS, and that's why he's never actually tried to kill Thanos.

 

3. What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure that currently, Mar-Vell isn't even alive.

 

Except he can't because Thanos isn't the one with the prep, he is being caught completely unaware, I don't get what part of this you don't understand. And Tony can do the same thing if he wanted to.

 

Oh, Classic Drax, big whoop. Iron Man matched Classic Drax with the armor he had in the 70s. Also, he's dumb as a sack of bricks. It's not like Tony is going to get into a fist fight with Thanos. In fact, he could play on Thanos' psychological weaknesses. I see the "fight" being as more of a mental one. Also, on a physical level, Thanos doesn't have significantly augmented reflexes, relying on his superior strength in physical combat. Stark has vastly superhuman reflexes with Hypervelocity and Extremis.

 

Yes, he has. In fact, the Marvel Wiki lists him as being completely immune with his armor on and with his SHIELD mental blocks. Noh-Varr confirmed this in an Avengers issue.

 

I just looked it up, and Thanos isn't immortal anymore.

[Guest force_echo]

Seeing as how that is the way his power works, its a regular power up he has. Similar to Hulk, the madder he gets the stronger he gets. For Thanos, the more power he needs, the more Death will give him.

 

Lets look at this realistically though. Who are the characters that Tony fights and still has problems with? Out of those characters, which could stand up to Thanos by his lonesome?

No, it's not a regular power up that he has. He only had that powerup when Death specifically gave it to him. He does not have the aid of Death in this battle, it is just Thanos, in case you don't know how to read. Also, Thanos does not get stronger the angrier he gets, I don't know where you got that bullsh*t.

[Guest force_echo]

This match isn't an attempt by me to say that Stark is on a physical even ground with Thanos. Yes, if they were in direct no-prep slugging it out, Tony would get creamed, but that's not the match.

[xLEGACYx]

No, it's not a regular power up that he has. He only had that powerup when Death specifically gave it to him. He does not have the aid of Death in this battle, it is just Thanos, in case you don't know how to read. Also, Thanos does not get stronger the angrier he gets, I don't know where you got that bullsh*t.

that must be that reading comprehension you talk so highly about.

 

Now I see what you are doing. Every time people prove Thanos beats Ironman EASILY, you want to change the characters and put limitations on what they are allowed to do. Tony could have a year and would still lose. It took the 4 greatest minds in the Marvel world to get a one hit chance and all they managed was separating the Phoenix. Thanos isnt on level with the Phoenix but he is much greater than Dr. Doom, who Stark cant beat one on one.

 

With the original parameters you set up, Thanos wins EASILY.

[Guest force_echo]

that must be that reading comprehension you talk so highly about.

 

Now I see what you are doing. Every time people prove Thanos beats Ironman EASILY, you want to change the characters and put limitations on what they are allowed to do.

 

With the original parameters you set up, Thanos wins EASILY.

What the hell are you talking about? What parameters? It's Thanos with his un-augmented, normal power level. When someone puts Thor in a match, you don't automatically assume it's Odin-Force Thor, unless you're a retard. Oh wait, I forgot who I'm dealing with here.