Rumble 13348 Master Chief and The Rookie (Halo) vs. Darth Vader and The 501'st

[Guest force_echo]

I'm guessing that the ODST k/d will be at least 3 to 1. That gives Chief a little room to play with.

[Guest Darxeth]

Or Vader takes on the ODST guys by crushing them all into the ground and MC is forced to take on the Clone Troopers.

After Vader solos the ODST soldiers he finishes MC (Who is outnumbered) off. :]

 

I think this is a good fight though, if MC is aware of Vader's capabilities. If he isn't, Vader wins comfortably.

[Guest force_echo]

Or, he gets sniped. There's no way he can just take out all of the troopers with a force crush. They are all hidden, in cover, and spread out over several hundred yards. And have motion sensors. He'll get sniped first before he even gets within 500 yds.

[Guest Darxeth]

Or, he gets sniped. There's no way he can just take out all of the troopers with a force crush. They are all hidden, in cover, and spread out over several hundred yards. And have motion sensors. He'll get sniped first before he even gets within 500 yds.

 

Or, he creates a telekinetic shield around himself and allows them to waste their ammo until they run out.

[Guest force_echo]

Except that he hasn't shown to be able to make a telekinetic shield that can take one .57 bullet travelling above Mach 4, let alone sustained fire "until they run out of ammo". Also, he wouldn't have enough time either, the only way he would even know is by precog, and that's still not fast enough to generate a strong telekinetic shield before a bullet travelling at 4 times the speed of sound hits you.

[Indolent]

The Real Question is: Is this EU Vader, i.e. the Vader that seemingly does whatever the *vulgarity* he wants?

 

Also Hayes, you're wrong. Master Chief is definitely not capable of withstanding blows from the likes of the Lizard, it's the equivalent of being hit by something around close to 24ish tons (transfer of energy) in a concentrated area (i.e. punch). The armor might be able to survive but Master Chief gets splattered.

[Guest Darxeth]

Except that he hasn't shown to be able to make a telekinetic shield that can take one .57 bullet travelling above Mach 4, let alone sustained fire "until they run out of ammo". Also, he wouldn't have enough time either, the only way he would even know is by precog, and that's still not fast enough to generate a strong telekinetic shield before a bullet travelling at 4 times the speed of sound hits you.

 

Vader could sense his presence, so it's not like MC is going to surprise attack him or anything.

Vader can sense his opponents moves in advance and plan against them.

 

Heck, if he really wanted to end it quickly, he could force crush MC's brain. :]

[Guest force_echo]

Sensing his presence and reading his mind from a long distance away to find out what he's planning is not the same thing. Also, sensing him past a vague locator isn't going to be easy because a) nothing distinguishes the chief from every other trooper force wise, which means Anakin's still going to overestimate him since he has no sense of his capabilities and MC does not believe or even acknowledge the Force, making him more difficult to detect. in fact, MCs going to have a better chance with his motion detector and the fact that Vader is going to be an extremely visible target.

 

Vader's never force crushed someone's brain before to my knowledge, unless you have proof, why would he do that here? And the same argument can be used for the Chief, "Heck, if MC really wanted to end it quickly, he could just shoot Vader in the head".

[Guest Darxeth]

This is also true. I suppose it would depend on if the characters are aware of each other's capabilities and how far apart they are from each other.

 

If they are up close, I say Vader wins.

 

500 meters away, MC.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Also Hayes, you're wrong. Master Chief is definitely not capable of withstanding blows from the likes of the Lizard, it's the equivalent of being hit by something around close to 24ish tons (transfer of energy) in a concentrated area (i.e. punch). The armor might be able to survive but Master Chief gets splattered.

Why didn't he get splattered the two times he fell from orbit? Second time, his armor didn't even lock up(Halo 4). I understand what you are saying about it being a concentrated area, but the force of slamming the ground would be so much greater than the force of the Lizard punching him.

[Guest Darxeth]

People say that 1000 lbs. of pressure from a punch will usually kill a human, but that isn't the case fro Chuck Liddell.

 

He punches with around 1000 lbs. of pressure and he hasn't killed anyone.

[Indolent]

Why didn't he get splattered the two times he fell from orbit? Second time, his armor didn't even lock up(Halo 4). I understand what you are saying about it being a concentrated area, but the force of slamming the ground would be so much greater than the force of the Lizard punching him.

 

Armor Locked itself in place and he crashlanded at a nigh horizontal angle whilst utilizing a piece of a ship to shelter him from his descent. It actually knocked him out and the armor was dented in places. This greatly lessens the feat as displayed. The only other person afaik who did the same was Noble Six, and he didn't make it away without minor injuries, i.e. his wrist and a limp, and he actually had an attachment that let him survive the orbital reentry. Where exactly did John crashland in Halo 4?

 

The MJOLNIR MK VII was an armor system mentioned by Dr. Halsey in her personal journal. It would appear to be the last planned phase of the MJOLNIR project. At the time the MJOLNIR project began, Halsey had planned on the MK VII suit featuring the following upgrades:

• Next-gen fusion-plasma hybrid power system.
  
• Atmospheric insertion systems.
  
• Slipspace de-insertion capability.
  
• Active AI transfer protocols.
  
• Limited shaping of the energy shield (partial overlaps, airfoils etc.).
  

Atmospheric insertion would allow a Spartan to free-fall from space without a reentry vehicle, such as the ODST's SOEIV, but would most likely require a drag chute or parachute. Note that reentry in MJOLNIR armor has been done several times in Halo fiction, but is most likely outside both the Mark V and Mark VI design specs and has proven fatal, as John-117 has done this while only being knocked unconscious and having a large dent inflicted on the right breastplate while wearing Mark VI armor. The only other Spartan witnessed of orbital re-entry in any of the games was Spartan B-312 after being flung out of a Corvette's hangar by Jorge. He suffered minimal damage after re-entry as shown in the cutscene of Noble Six shaking his wrist and a noticeable limp. At the beginning of Exodus, the player can see that their health is depleted to the second stage, inclining that Six was actually hurt from the fall or, which is more unlikely, encountered enemies before reaching New Alexandria. It is interesting to note the attachment that was on his back during the boarding action and after re-entry (which was seen carrying a pistol in the cutscene) that possibly saved his life. The device (a.k.a. the M-Spec Reentry Pack) must have been some sort of bubble shield generator (to temporarily shield the wearer of a planet's atmosphere) or some sort of other re-entry device that can be used only for the purpose of atmospheric protection. To top it off, Six was wearing a Mark V( variant, which was definitely not intended for orbital re-entry. The Mark VII may also have been the predecessor to the MJOLNIR "Orbital" variant of the GEN2.

 

Beside the point, mere rounds from the Assault Rifle can down the energy shield and actually penetrate the armor and kill him... all with less force than the likes of crashlanding. If anything, two blows if not the first would kill MC considering the first blow wouldn't be much unlike a Gravity Hammer.

[Guest force_echo]

People say that 1000 lbs. of pressure from a punch will usually kill a human, but that isn't the case fro Chuck Liddell.

 

He punches with around 1000 lbs. of pressure and he hasn't killed anyone.

He usually wears gloves.

 

In Halo 4, we didn't see the actual fall happen. For all we know, he could have used some construct to shield him, or something else. We just see the very beginning, and him already on the ground.

[Guest Darxeth]

That's still 1000 lbs. behind leather gloves that rip the skin when they hit.

[Indolent]

So it's an assumption... okay... well what I said about the Lizard punching Master Chief still pretty much holds.

[Guest Darxeth]

lol

[Callisto]

Match Final Results

The Rookie (Halo) and Master Chief: 2

The 501'st and Darth Vader: 8

 

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

He usually wears gloves.

 

In Halo 4, we didn't see the actual fall happen. For all we know, he could have used some construct to shield him, or something else. We just see the very beginning, and him already on the ground.

Even if he used something as a shield, he would still hit the ground with tremendous force.

[Indolent]

We don't even know if he was rescued or landed or whatever.

 

It's completely speculation at this point... and therefore should not be used.

[Guest force_echo]

Well, he definitely wasn't rescued, but I mean, as for as we know he could have used a plate of metal to ski down a mountain, draining off his kinetic energy or something.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Nope, it is pretty straight forward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpPwTaYaiR8

Fast forward to 6:10, the fire ball is Master Chief.

[xLEGACYx]

If the fireball was indeed him, it was to big to be him alone. The size of the fire ball would suggest he was inside some wreckage.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

The fire ball is pretty small compared to the debris falling around him. When he gets up, he isn't inside any wreckage.

 

Even if he was, again, he'd still be hitting the ground with tremendous force. Not like metal is the best thing to cushion your fall.

[xLEGACYx]

The fire ball is pretty small compared to the debris falling around him. When he gets up, he isn't inside any wreckage.

 

Even if he was, again, he'd still be hitting the ground with tremendous force. Not like metal is the best thing to cushion your fall.

but it does absorb a lot of the impact. There has been people that skydive and the chute fails and they survive the impact. So its not a major feat if Chief survives while wearing the armor and inside of the wreckage. That would absorb almost all the impact. It would be similar to the skydive incident but his bones and muscles are much more durable than a normal human.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

but it does absorb a lot of the impact. There has been people that skydive and the chute fails and they survive the impact. So its not a major feat if Chief survives while wearing the armor and inside of the wreckage. That would absorb almost all the impact. It would be similar to the skydive incident but his bones and muscles are much more durable than a normal human.

Do you know why those stories get so much attention? It's because that so rarely happens, that it is a miracle when it does. The highest fall a human can take is three stories without dying.

 

People can try to take away from the feat as much as they can, but fact remains he did not once, but twice. Even if he used some wreckage(which case by the video it looks like he doesn't) I am willing to bet he hits the ground harder than what the Lizard can dish out.