Rumble 13348 Master Chief and The Rookie (Halo) vs. Darth Vader and The 501'st

[Guest Darxeth]

Actually, a guy tried to commit suicide by jumping off a 40-story building and landed right ontop of a car, breaking both his legs. The owner of the car wanted to sue but decided against it.

[Indolent]

If you actually read my post from the prior page, you'd see that the armor is not designed whatsoever to survive orbital reentries. In fact, the armor isn't even capable of withstanding the friction and heat garnered from the velocity he'd be traveling as it'd cut through the energy shields and literally cook the occupant inside alive.

 

Which leaves us with the only plausible scenario: a circumstance led to his survival not unlike his crash landing in Halo 3, i.e. the Dreadnought debris and crash-landing horizontally to Noble Six making it away with minor injuries due to a reentry pack. There's some reason for this, and for this very reason it plays down your point - crash-landing does not equate to actual durability feats, more so it actually plays it down and proves that without reasons/circumstances benefiting them (i.e. miracles such as the reason you tout for skydiving survivors), they should be more likely dead.

 

I know I sound like a broken record/asshole-ish but this doesn't dissuade anything about your being incorrect in the first place whatsoever.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Again, those stories happen, but they only get that much attention because it is not suppose to happen.

 

The guys at Cracked sum this up pretty well:

About 30 feet, or three stories, is all you get before you're dead. Falls from above that height are rarely survivable.

Now, we know what you're thinking: "Dude, this one can happen! People have totally fallen from airplanes and survived. I read about it on the Internet." And that's true, but those stories are famous for a reason. Surviving a fall is like winning the lottery. It could happen, but you're screwed if you count on it.

Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_18862_6-deadly-injuries-you-think-youd-survive-thanks-to-movies.html#ixzz2Jlt8sbyf

 

If you want to have any chance of surviving a great fall, you have to follow a pretty specific set of steps (arch your body, bend your knees, land on your feet, roll on impact and so on). And even then, the odds are still stacked against you, no matter what surface you fall onto. That sand or pile of garbage you're headed to might look ever so comfy and inviting, but when your body takes a run at it at 120 mph (the terminal velocity of a human body in free fall), you might as well be smacking a concrete wall. Even water hits you like stone at that speed.

Let's say you weigh 150 pounds and fall from a height of 30 feet. From that distance, you'll be traveling at close to 44 feet per second when you hit the ground. If you land on a hard surface such as concrete your body will be confronted with over 13,000 pounds of force. You know what that means.

 

So, if you get lucky and land on a softer surface, like a Dumpster with a few feet of soft fluffy trash to break your fall, you're still facing 1,500 pounds of force. And that's from a mere 30 feet up

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Nah I read your post, the armor not being meant for that, and him surviving is more impressive to me. I am just not convinced

[Indolent]

GOD DAMN I HATE OPINIONS

 

Still am of the opinion that since regular bullets and whatnot can kill MC, that the likes of Lizard can punt him and kill him relatively easily.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Wouldn't his shields be better against blunt force rather than piercing force?

[Indolent]

Actually considering that bullets carry impact force behind them significantly less than the likes of say a Spartan II or an Elite can put out in a punch, it's highly likely that since bullets down their shields easily, that the mentioned individuals are likely to be able to down their barriers with a blow or so.

 

And taking into consideration that the Lizard vastly dwarfs basically nigh everyone physically in Halo, yeah you can see why I'd root for him?

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Yeah I see what you mean. While the Lizard does out class Halo peeps physically, I think he'd be hard pressed to carry this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S580SiaUrE

[Indolent]

Legends kinda plays up the abilities slightly more iirc. Look at the Hunters in there for instance.

 

And the Lizard physically dwarfs anyone in Halo in every field respectively by far. He wouldn't be hardpressed, in fact, it'd be easier for him than anyone else.

[Indolent]

Actually the whole point was that (also don't really rely on Legends - it's not exactly verifiable) whether Master Chief could survive a hit from the likes of the Lizard or whatnot via armor. He couldn't.

 

It's quite different from saying Master Chief against the Lizard in a fight.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Well, the Hunters don't have a specific size, they are a cluster of worms, so as long as they build the armor big enough, you can have 25 feet tall hunters. I thought Legends plays up their abilities, but it is canon, so what we see happen, is what they are actually capable of.

[Indolent]

Then why don't we see them at all in novels and the videogames?

 

Again, it's lower canon i.e. not wholly verifiable, i.e. not wholly a solid source to rely on.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Because something that bad ass should not be over used!

 

Oh and the reprint of Fall of Reach(2011) confirms it to be canon

 

EDIT: This back and forth has been fun so far

[Indolent]

Because something that bad ass should not be over used!

 

Oh and the reprint of Fall of Reach(2011) confirms it to be canon

 

EDIT: This back and forth has been fun so far

Eh, it's been known to overplay their abilities.

 

I said lower canon, that doesn't mean it's not canon canon - lower canon can be used if it doesn't directly contradict the higher canon... though it's not the same (contradiction) if nothing in the higher canon's been portrayed to be shown similarly in the lower, if that makes sense.

 

Yes, and quite a civil one at that

[Guest Darxeth]

I'm pulling for the Lizard.

[Guest force_echo]

It's not the impact force that's impressive. As far as that goes, falling from orbit is the same thing as falling 400 yards (which both Spider-Man and the Lizard kind of do on a regular basis) due to this little phenomenon called terminal velocity. It's the heat of reentry that Chief cannot possibly withstand. In Halo 3 he uses Starship grade hull to withstand it. And in Halo 4, he might've or not, although like Legacy pointed out, the size of the fireball suggests so.

 

Also, the point of MC, how he survives all of this remarkable shit, is that he's extremely lucky. That is MC's superpower. So yes, it is rare for people to survive those falls, but that's the point, it's a central attribute that makes him the "best" Spartan. He's not the most intelligent, the most skilled, the strongest, etc. etc.

 

And no, don't trust anything in Halo Legends. It's noted as extremely stylized for a reason. But yeah, if you want to believe that three rounds from a needler can kill a Spartan, go ahead.

 

Also, this:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz3Ra9GFNQ4

 

Sorry, but there's no possible way that's canon unless you disregard literally everything else about the Halo Universe.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

That one was stated as non canon. It is a parody.

[Guest force_echo]

By who? Where did they single out one episode on Halo Legends to be noncanon. And that whole thing with the Arbiter slaughtering a Covenant army is just ridiculous. There's no way you can take Halo Legends without a grain of salt. A lot of grains of salt.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Frank O'Connor

 

"While all the stories save one are considered canon"

"Frankie's Halo Legends Q&A Session". Halo.Bungie.Org. 2009-07-23. Retrieved 2010-01-23.