The Void Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 That he's nerfed? Oh and Nefaria wasn't nerfed either. What I mean is the writers not making him able to solo the Avengers...Dr Strange use to be able to fight high tier Marvel characters and I would even say he was possibly around Odin's level, but now look at him. Also you have to take into condereration that Thor holds back on people on Earth and especially when he is on the Avengers team because he can just solo every villain. That I can definitely prove. And Nefaria has not even down anything as of yet that can rival what Thor has down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Yeah Bolt was a Skrull in World War Hulk and Namor wasn't attacked in it because he valued Hulk as a friend and was smart enough to not piss him off. So yeah, not the entire illuminati was beaten. Not to mention he left Xavier alone after he found out his current predicament/reasoning. Only people he pwned in WWH vs. X-Men were Xavier's students. So really, it was more like Dr. Strange, Tony Stark, and Reed Richards out of the entirety of the (real) Illuminati that got defeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLEGACYx Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 While he may have been amped a little in WW3, he was holding back most of the time. Only a couple of occasions did he show his power. He even warned others that he would stop holding back if they continued. While he was amped by and extra god, he fought off every hero in DC minus 3. Without that power he could take on these five. Through his will power, he fought off manhunters telepathy. Now this Adam is slightly weaker than the one above. He has withstood punches from superboy prime with no harm. He has magic that can rival any magic user in DC. He can move FTL. He is easily just as strong as supes. He is suppose to be impervious to physical damage. Also his will power is strong enough to resist most telepaths in DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 What I mean is the writers not making him able to solo the Avengers...Dr Strange use to be able to fight high tier Marvel characters and I would even say he was possibly around Odin's level, but now look at him. Also you have to take into condereration that Thor holds back on people on Earth and especially when he is on the Avengers team because he can just solo every villain. That I can definitely prove. And Nefaria has not even down anything as of yet that can rival what Thor has down. First off, there's a difference. Strange lost his sorcerer supreme powers which nerfed him. He has since become Sorcerer Supreme again. Um...Nefaria beat him in the past, quite easily and has not shown any "nerf", so yeah, he rivals Thor, if not superior to him. Same with Wonder Man. He is still acknowledged to have "Sentry-level" strength in Children's Crusade, which is recent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I was under the impression it was two entities that boosted Black Adam, not one entity. I.e. his Wife's Death and someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 First off, there's a difference. Strange lost his sorcerer supreme powers which nerfed him. He has since become Sorcerer Supreme again. Dr Strange was nerfed well before he lost his sorcerer supreme powers. The writers nerfed him a bit because he was too powerful... Um...Nefaria beat him in the past, quite easily and has not shown any "nerf", so yeah, he rivals Thor, if not superior to him. Same with Wonder Man. He is still acknowledged to have "Sentry-level" strength in Children's Crusade, which is recent. None of this touches base on when I said Thor holds back againt people on Earth or mortals to be exact. And IIRC Current Nefaria was defeated by the New Avengers and it was mostly by the hands of Ms Marvel. Also Thor's strength>Sentry's strength and this is coming from a huge Sentry fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 And I recall you claiming Sentry's potential for UNLIMITED POWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH What changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 ...I thought that was due to like downing his confidence in the process. If it happened that quickly, Gladiator would be the biggest lightweight in the Marvel Universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Ever hear of low showings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLEGACYx Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I was under the impression it was two entities that boosted Black Adam, not one entity. I.e. his Wife's Death and someone else.well technically the power he got from Isis was the power he had given here to begin with. When she died it returned to him. He was powered by a 7th god that stranglehold pointed out to me a while back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 And yeah, Stranglehold, it's not like current Wonder Man and classic Wonder Man are different characters, lol. Just because writers have been using him in their own way rather than having him solo the Avengers or whatever, doesn't mean he's magically gotten a million times weaker. I recall him going toe to toe with Hyperion, who basically is Superman, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 And I recall you claiming Sentry's potential for UNLIMITED POWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH What changed? I said POWERS. Meaning he can use all his powers. Sentry is not physically stronger than Thor and he has not shown impressive durability that can match Thors. I don't consider him being ripped Molecles from Molecules a durability feat since he died and came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Strength is a power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Sentry easily throwing Thor around as Void in Siege would prove otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Strength is a power. You get what I mean... And yeah, Stranglehold, it's not like current Wonder Man and classic Wonder Man are different characters, lol. Just because writers have been using him in their own way rather than having him solo the Avengers or whatever, doesn't mean he's magically gotten a million times weaker. I recall him going toe to toe with Hyperion, who basically is Superman, so... If you're talking about New Hyperion than maybe impressive, but Hulk was able to make him bleed... If you mean regular 616 Hyperion.Thor>Gladiator>Hyperion if that ABC logic works. Also that Hyperion has not even shown to go past 90 tons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 ABC Logic? Okay. Sentry gets knocked out for a few seconds by Blue Marvel. The same Blue Marvel that knocked out King Hyperion for a good long while. The same King Hyperion that has killed several different Thors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 The new 616 Hyperion held two Earths apart with his power and survived two universes exploding. I would say he is very powerful. ( I posted the scans in the comic thread) Hulk making him bleed in no way makes him any less powerful. ABC logic doesn't prove anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 ABC Logic? Okay. Sentry gets knocked out for a few seconds by Blue Marvel. The same Blue Marvel that knocked out King Hyperion for a good long while. The same King Hyperion that has killed several different Thors. Sentry came back and beat him. We don't even know how powerful Thor in King Hyperions universe was, he was even said to have killed Galactus. And the Hyperion that Blue Marvel faught was a mentally deranged one... The new 616 Hyperion held two Earths apart with his power and survived two universes exploding. I would say he is very powerful. ( I posted the scans in the comic thread) Hulk making him bleed in no way makes him any less powerful. ABC logic doesn't prove anything. No one said that makes him less powerful and I already argued with you that Hickman wasn't really clear about him surviving two universes and said that he will post more about it. And Hyperion struggled with Gladiator and lost, Thor easily beat Gladiator. And that was the 616 one and not the new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Um, we have no reason to assume that those Thors were any different than 616 Thor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Um, we have no reason to assume that those Thors were any different than 616 Thor. If he couldn't beat Blue Marvel than we should.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Unless Blue Marvel is just superior to Thor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Regular Hyperion isn't from Earth-616. And actually, Thor has lost to Gladiator in the past. Glads beat Hyperion through skill, not power. And the 90 tons thing is BS. He has plenty of feats in Squadron Supreme that put him well over that level. Edit: And yeah, saying Hyperion should lose to Thor because he lost to Blue Marvel is a fail argument. Blue Marvel has appeared in about 8 issues, we know literally nothing about his upper limit. He could be far stronger than Thor for all we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Unless Blue Marvel is just superior to Thor. He has not shown it. And characters from different universes are usually are weaker or stronger than their 616 counterpart. Ultimate Thor is not stronger than 616 Thor and Ultimate Thor does not even have the feats to back him up. Ultimate Thanos is not stronger than 616 Thanos. So How do we know that Thor King Hyperion killed was as strong as 616 Thor when 616 Thor has faced way stronger people than King Hyperion.. And I thought Blue Marvel is superior to Thor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Same costume, unlike Ultimate Thor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Regular Hyperion isn't from Earth-616. And actually, Thor has lost to Gladiator in the past. Glads beat Hyperion through skill, not power. And the 90 tons thing is BS. He has plenty of feats in Squadron Supreme that put him well over that level. 1. I know that, I'm just saying 616 Hyperion to differentiate from the New Hyperion.2. The Thor who fought Gladiator was Eric Masterson and he beat Gladitor.3. That's what Marvel stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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