Guest skadoosh Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 John Carter, armed with a pair of Martian swords vs Scar, armed with his wrist-blades and combi-staff They are fighting to the death in an arena on Mars. Their respective morals are on. They know nothing of each other prior to the fight. Neither of them is wearing any armour, just clothes. There will be no outside interference. Opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 there's really no difference here. John was a boss due to being physically superior to the entities on Mars... and Mars buffed him... A Yautja would garner the same to an extreme degree dwarfing Carter. Carter gets Pwned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 The boosts Carter receives from Mars' lower gravity will be in effect for Scar as well, and he's already naturally far stronger, so he wins easily. Edit: Ethan, have I ever told you that you're a ninja *vulgarity*? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 A Yautja would garner the same to an extreme degree dwarfing Carter. Carter gets Pwned. Pretty much this... And considering that Scar more than likely is somewhere between Class 2 - 3 in strength... Which is the average for a Young Blooded Yautja.. On Barsoom, his natural strength would be insanely buffed. And considering how fast the Yautja move and how high they can leap on their own on Earth... Yeah, you might as well have put Carter against the Hulk on Earth. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Pfft Mars Buffed Yaujta still be jelly of Hulk DON'T BE JELLY OF MY SHINOBI WRATH AvP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Pfft Mars Buffed Yaujta still be jelly of Hulk Any Yautja would be jealous of Hulk... Except for Super Predator... No, I'm not kidding.. There is a Kryptonian-Yautja hybrid out there. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Pfft, Cap. Universe Hulk can take that bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Pfft, Cap. Universe Hulk can take that bitch. Shut up and keep on stuffing your pasty face with donuts!! -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 ...How did you know I was eating crunchy donuts? Mind you, first time in monthhhhhhhhhhhhhhs. <----- FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 So, what if Scar wasn't affected by the gravity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 So, what if Scar wasn't affected by the gravity? You can't just say Scar is not affected by the gravity. Scientifically, gravity does not work that way. Not unless you want to pull the "A Wizard Did It" card which is... a cheap cop-out. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I think he wants Carter at his level against a standard pred is what he's going for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I think he wants Carter at his level against a standard pred is what he's going for. Oh, I know which is fine and dandy but.. gravity doesn't work like that. While I have seen the John Carter movie... considering that he was a roughly athletic male in conditioning... Could we maybe get some calculations here for his strength on what his level would be on Barsoom and compare it to a non-buffed Scar? I mean assuming Carter is an athletic level male, he'd be able to maybe lift... twice his body weight at Max. I mean I know that on Barsoom, he would be experiencing what would be called Exaggerated Muscle Output because of the difference in gravitional forces between Earth and Barsoom. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 You can't just say Scar is not affected by the gravity. Scientifically, gravity does not work that way. Not unless you want to pull the "A Wizard Did It" card which is... a cheap cop-out. -Rakai'Thwei This is the Rumbles section of a website that pits fictional characters against each other in fights. Don't bring up science. I think he wants Carter at his level against a standard pred is what he's going for. Yes, exactly. Enhanced John vs normal Scar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Don't bring up science. Actually, Science DOES have a place here considering the fact what is enhancing Carter is the fact that Barsoom/Mars has a significantly less stronger gravitational pull on Earth. What makes John Carter so strong is that he has spent all of his life on planet Earth, which has a stronger gravitational pull than Mars.. So really, what he's experiencing is something called exaggerated muscle output. http://yarchive.net/space/science/g_tolerance.html It's nothing mystical, and it's nothing really out of the realm of impossibility. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 STOP NITPICKING AND DEBATE THE TOPIC AT HAND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Actually, Science DOES have a place here No. This is sceptical fiction. Brining up real-world science is useless and irrelevant, so don't criticize people for not using it, but brining up the science within the fictitious realms being discussed is useful and relevant, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Can we get calculations for Carter's strength on Barsoom? Assuming that Carter is a man who is in athletic shape and conditioning (not Peak Human), I'm going to assume he's more than capable of lifting his own weight or double his own weight if he had to really try. No. This is sceptical fiction. Brining up real-world science is useless and irrelevant, so don't criticize people for not using it, but brining up the science within the fictitious realms being discussed is useful and relevant, of course. You do realize that Science-Fiction DOES use elements of... you guessed it.. Science. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 ou do realize that Science-Fiction DOES use elements of... you guessed it.. Science. Of course, and a lot of fiction, too. Science fiction makes up it's own science, that's why it's science fiction. The science of our world is not relevant. The science of the John Carter film is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Of course, and a lot of fiction, too. Science fiction makes up it's own science, that's why it's science fiction. The science of our world is not relevant. The science of the John Carter film is. Actually, real life science kind of is relevent in most science-fiction. Primary examples would be Star Wars, Star Trek, Space Odyssey 2001, Alien, Predator... The science of the John Carter film is. Okay.... You've established that this is the film version... Now... let's get Mars' gravitational pull here... Mars' gravitational pull is 3.7m/s^2(3.7 meters per second squared) as opposed to Earth's gravitational pull which is 9.81m/s^2(9.81 meters per second squared). Now... I am not a physicist or a mathematician but to me that sounds like a fair difference in gravitational pull, no? I do know that on the Moon, humans weighed significantly less and they were able to leap higher and do things which were considered superhuman when compared to Earth... However, I also had to look up Carter's strength but no real definition was given. Except for one source which only gives off an implication that he was able to leap up to thirty feet. Of course, that was DC's publicized adaptation of John Carter of Mars. Now the Barsoom Wiki states that the Book version was able to leap to one hundred fifty feet. However we have to keep in mind that at the time The Barsoom series was being written, not much of Mars was known as extensively as we know it today. So... we would need to calculate John's weight for a man who is 6''2 in height and in athletic condition and do the math with Mars' gravitational pull for the movie version. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 snip Yes, the science and the fiction overlap, we established that already, but that wasn't what you mentioned at first, or, if it was, you did not make it clear. You can't just say Scar is not affected by the gravity. Scientifically, gravity does not work that way. This is not relevant, because science as we know it is not the same as science in the John Carter film. They overlap, obviously, but they are not the same. Also, this being the Rumbles forum, i, like any fight creator, can say what i like without explanation, and cannot be criticised for it. Like it or not. The rest of what you said is relevant, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The Yautja would be much stronger, but that's not decisive by itself. You guys make it sound as Carter is an ordinary human and his only reason for success is his increased strength on Mars. That's far from the truth. John Carter is immortal, with centuries of fighting experience before he ever got to Mars. He had an advantage in strength, it's true, but in the novels his skill is also superior to that of the best warriors of a sword culture. He is (as Burroughs often tells us) the finest swordsman of two worlds and his Martian swords are made from material vastly superior than steel. He's depicted as a warrior on a par with Tarzan, and in Tarzan vs. Predator at the Earth's Core, Tarzan was able to kill several Yautja with just his knife. IMO, they made it too easy for Tarzan, but I also think that both he and Carter are easy to underestimate. No disrespect to the Predators, who easily outmatch even elite human fighters, but John Carter can take this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The Yautja would be much stronger, but that's not decisive by itself. You guys make it sound as Carter is an ordinary human and his only reason for success is his increased strength on Mars. That's far from the truth. John Carter is immortal, with centuries of fighting experience before he ever got to Mars. He had an advantage in strength, it's true, but in the novels his skill is also superior to that of the best warriors of a sword culture. He is (as Burroughs often tells us) the finest swordsman of two worlds and his Martian swords are made from material vastly superior than steel. He's depicted as a warrior on a par with Tarzan, and in Tarzan vs. Predator at the Earth's Core, Tarzan was able to kill several Yautja with just his knife. IMO, they made it too easy for Tarzan, but I also think that both he and Carter are easy to underestimate. No disrespect to the Predators, who easily outmatch even elite human fighters, but John Carter can take this. Good analysis, fair points, thanks for the examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 John Carter is immortal, with centuries of fighting experience before he ever got to Mars. He had an advantage in strength, it's true, but in the novels his skill is also superior to that of the best warriors of a sword culture. He is (as Burroughs often tells us) the finest swordsman of two worlds and his Martian swords are made from material vastly superior than steel. Kind of Moot here since Skadoosh said this was the movie version. And Yautja blades are made from Dlex, which is vastly superior to steel as well. He's depicted as a warrior on a par with Tarzan, and in Tarzan vs. Predator at the Earth's Core, Tarzan was able to kill several Yautja with just his knife. IMO, they made it too easy for Tarzan, but I also think that both he and Carter are easy to underestimate. No disrespect to the Predators, who easily outmatch even elite human fighters, but John Carter can take this. The crossovers with Tarzan and Predator are not canon. You should really keep this in mind. While I haven't read the Tarzan vs Predator comic, I can tell you that most Yautja would be able to take Tarzan down with no problem whatsoever. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 This is indeed the film version, good point, although i'm not entirely sure how that affects his skill. John is fighting with Martian swords, though, not human ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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