Guest Supes Rulez Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 One More Day... Brand New Day... Sins Past... Superior Spider-Man. Why must you torment Spider-Man like this, Marvel? You create these stories that just hurt him and offend us. Screwing up his mythos and disrespecting his past love Gwen Stacy?(Sins Past)Deciding you just don't like his marriage or current life so you retcon it in a stupid and lazy way?(One More Day and Brand New Day)Writing a silly story that kills him off... But not really, and teasing us for his return right off the bat?(Spider-Man 700 and Superior Spider-Man) Does J. Michael Straczynski hate him? Was Dan Slott high? WHY DOES MARVEL TORMENT SPIDER-MAN AND HIS FANS SO? Let's talk about why they think these are good stories, why they are not, and what the solutions to crap like One More Day could be. Or how to make lemonade out of the particularly sour lemons I've just listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSkillz Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Moved to Character Chat. And yeah, One More Day was the straw that broke the camel's back for most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supes Rulez Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Moved to Character Chat. And yeah, One More Day was the straw that broke the camel's back for most people. Thanks for the update on Character Chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deojusto Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Getting existentially tortured is what Spiderman does. It's his schtick. Wanting, but being totally unable, to live a normal life is the crux of his character; if he ever finds stability or comes into acceptance of who he is, he loses the edge that makes him more than 'snarky guy in red pajamas'. He'd be deadpool I guess. If they really hated him then they'd leave him alone, because lack of internal conflict is what kills a character permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Wookiee Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 You left out the Clone Saga and the Other...wait, maybe those should be forgotten altogether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest potterpuppetpals Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Retcons are the bane of mankind. By retconning things to make younger readers feel more welcome, you're unintentionally confusing things more. How is a little kid supposed to get that Spider-Man is actually Doc Ock, or a clone, or whatever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z451 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 One More Day... Brand New Day... Sins Past... Superior Spider-Man. Why must you torment Spider-Man like this, Marvel? You create these stories that just hurt him and offend us. Screwing up his mythos and disrespecting his past love Gwen Stacy?(Sins Past)Deciding you just don't like his marriage or current life so you retcon it in a stupid and lazy way?(One More Day and Brand New Day)Writing a silly story that kills him off... But not really, and teasing us for his return right off the bat?(Spider-Man 700 and Superior Spider-Man) Does J. Michael Straczynski hate him? Was Dan Slott high? WHY DOES MARVEL TORMENT SPIDER-MAN AND HIS FANS SO? Let's talk about why they think these are good stories, why they are not, and what the solutions to crap like One More Day could be. Or how to make lemonade out of the particularly sour lemons I've just listed.First off Marvel had nothing to do with it, except hiring those writers.Marvel acts as the executive branch of a larger corporation that is of course, now owned by Disney , but still a corporation in it self.Thus, all Marvel's really responsible for, is mostly economic and financial profiting off of sales, as well as hiring people onto their staff, thus you can't really blame them for all of this. But if you do want to blame anyone , blame the writers for these errors, however with the number of death threats and hate mail sent by lunatic fans in the past, I don't think they'd care all that much. To put it simpler though, while many of these ideas are asinine and even down ridiculous, they all came about, as a result of these writers, believing that these concepts or ideas were the best concepts or ideas for character sales, just as the writers before them had believed. Different time period, different fiction, case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 What was wrong with Brand New Day? The writing was fine. Also, seriously, nothing is permanent in the MU. The status quo will be returned to normal after a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supes Rulez Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 What was wrong with Brand New Day? The writing was fine. Also, seriously, nothing is permanent in the MU. The status quo will be returned to normal after a year or two. What was wrong with Brand New Day wasn't that is was really bad, but that it added more retcons to the disaster than One More Day was (Harry being alive again, secret identity unknown again, and a few others). It wasn't bad, it just needlessly returned to the status quo.Status quo is usually a good thing, but the whole point of a fictional character is that they EVOLVE. They change over time, and to stupidly handwave years of history because you don't like how it is currently (One More Day) is lazy and disrespectful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Brand new day was decent at best. No more. One more day was horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supes Rulez Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 When it comes to Brand New Day, I'm kind of on the fence, to be honest. It had it's ups and downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shockwave Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 First off Marvel had nothing to do with it, except hiring those writers.Marvel acts as the executive branch of a larger corporation that is of course, now owned by Disney , but still a corporation in it self.Except that some of those were done prior to Disney's buy out of Marvel. Thus, all Marvel's really responsible for, is mostly economic and financial profiting off of sales, as well as hiring people onto their staff, thus you can't really blame them for all of this.But if you do want to blame anyone , blame the writers for these errors, however with the number of death threats and hate mail sent by lunatic fans in the past, I don't think they'd care all that much. To put it simpler though, while many of these ideas are asinine and even down ridiculous, they all came about, as a result of these writers, believing that these concepts or ideas were the best concepts or ideas for character sales, just as the writers before them had believed. Different time period, different fiction, case closed. Not really. Considering that Spider-man should be a lot more mature and a lot more adult, he's supposed to be the hero that readers recognize and identify with as the most human superhero. The head guy for Marvel for One More Day wanted Spidey back to how HE READ HIM AS A KID! So the different time period, different fiction doesn't really ring true in this regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 One More Day... Brand New Day... Sins Past... Superior Spider-Man. Why must you torment Spider-Man like this, Marvel? You create these stories that just hurt him and offend us. Screwing up his mythos and disrespecting his past love Gwen Stacy?(Sins Past)Deciding you just don't like his marriage or current life so you retcon it in a stupid and lazy way?(One More Day and Brand New Day)Writing a silly story that kills him off... But not really, and teasing us for his return right off the bat?(Spider-Man 700 and Superior Spider-Man) Does J. Michael Straczynski hate him? Was Dan Slott high? WHY DOES MARVEL TORMENT SPIDER-MAN AND HIS FANS SO? Let's talk about why they think these are good stories, why they are not, and what the solutions to crap like One More Day could be. Or how to make lemonade out of the particularly sour lemons I've just listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LoneWolf Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I have to say it. I've never been a Spider-Man fan. No interest in the character. I think he is unrealistic and just flat out boring. Of course, the comic itself was readable in the 80's and 90's. Now it is lifeless. Deadpool is pretty much the new Spiderman. All the Peter Parker drama and feel-bad romance ripped the life out of what was supposed to be a humorous, down-to Earth hero that people could relate to (some people, supposedly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Right, because all of those people in your sig are totally relatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G4hardcore Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 What's unrealistic about Spider-man? Other than the whole "fictional character" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Spider-man Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Me being a HUGE Spider-man fan my last straw was actually during Civil War. When they had him unask himself to the world....he would never EVER do that. When I saw that, that was it for me and said "f**k Marvel". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Barely anyone was in character in Civil War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Civil War had some of the best character moments in recent Marvel memory, and it's probably the best "big" even they've ever done. It was an extremely good arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Like Reed Richards for example. Why the switching of sides Reed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 When did Reed switch sides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Well not in that arc. Back in the 90s, Reed was and debated against a Superhuman Registration Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Well then obviously you can't blame it on the construction of that arc. And when was there another superhuman registration act? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 True enough. 1989-1990. Fantastic Four #335 and 336 (December 1989, January 1990) And outside of the US there have been a few as well, such as the Canadian Superpowers Registration Act and M1-13 Registration Act. Not counting the Mutant Registration Acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 From what I've read, the law issue in that comic book had little to no resembelance to the Superhuman Registration Act in Civil War. In any case, Civil War was a great story, one of the best (if not the) Marvel's ever done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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