Rumble 13577 Son Goku vs. Batman

[Guest Shockwave]

First off, NO POWERS, NO GADGETS, NO PREP, NOTHING ABOUT THEM OTHER THAN THEIR BARE KNUCKLES AND BOOTS!

 

This means:

 

No Ki Blasts, No flying, no super-human strength, no super-speed nothing.

No Belt, no gadgets, nothing.

 

Goku and Batman are on equal terms of strength, speed, endurance. Everything. It's happening in a World Tournament ring.

 

The only difference in them is their terms of tenacity and fighting spirit.

 

That's it.

 

Let's see which of these martial artist will win a straight up fight using only their fists and nothing more.

[Callisto]

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Son Goku

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[Guest sirmethos]

Yea, Batman wins this easily.

[comic_book_fan]

batman

[AVP vs The Terminator]

You made this before.

[G4hardcore]

Going with the consensus on this--Batman. Bruce seems to display more skill and technique in his hand to hand fighting. Goku, on the other hand, seemed to rely more on the advantages of superhuman speed and strength, as well as ki.

[Guest Pseudonym]

Goku wins. Batman has no reason to fight if this is a tournament. He'll be sloppy, half on his game. He's not punishing criminals, he's just being thrown into the ring with some punk. Goku on the other hand loves fighting. He loves a strong opponent and he's going to give Bats everything he's got. The only danger is Goku taking it easy once he knocked Bats over a little.

[Guest sirmethos]

Even going at it half-hearted, Batman is superior enough, in terms of skill and experience, that he would still win.

 

And while he doesn't have a reason to be in the tournament, he does have a reason to fight and win. Namely that losing, would lower his ability to fight crime, once the tournament is over.

[G4hardcore]

That makes sense. Why would one half-heartedly fight for their life or well being?

[Guest bigballerju]

Why would Batman lose because he is fighting in a tournament and not fighting criminals? That doesn't make sense because Bruce is a martial artist and would understand the purpose of the tournament. Would Bruce care to fight to be the best in the world? No he wouldn't but that doesn't mean he would hold back or wouldn't put his heart into it. As a matter of fact Bruce never holds back in a fight unless he is fighting a completely superior fighter or being he wants to gather intel on. Bruce has sparred with Wonder Woman and other other members of the JLA before. Bruce spars with DIck, Tim, and others. Batman wins easily like Methos said.

[xLEGACYx]

I agree with the majority. Batman wins

 

*peer pressures a killer*. Jk

[kainboa]

As the majority has said, Batman wins easily.

 

Since most, if not all of the martial arts in Dragon ball are centred around using KI, basically all of Gokus martial arts skills are completely useless in this fight, as the usage of Ki has been removed.

Compared to that, most if not all, of the martial arts that Batman have learned, have nothing to do with Ki, as such they are all usable in this fight.

[Guest Pseudonym]

Literally everything in the dragon ball z universe is centered around usage of ki. Ki is inner energy. That's how people move. It's not that Goku can't use ki, more like he's restricted to only using ki in ways that the average human would know how.

 

Batman has no reason to go all out for this fight. Honestly: he just has no reason to care. You can be disqualified by ring out. I could see Batsy stepping out of the ring so he could go get his own stuff done. On the contrary, the fact that it's a fight is reason enough for Goku to go all out. He really likes fighting.

 

Batman has sparred with wonder woman - well Goku has fought Space *uncreative*, God, and a robot designed to be the world's best fighter who has stolen the braininformation of all the best fighters on the planet.

[kainboa]

It's not that Goku can't use ki, more like he's restricted to only using ki in ways that the average human would know how.

 

Okay, I suppose you've gotten some special information from Shockwave in a PM, that tells you this, because otherwise, the parameters of the fight doesn't say any such thing.

 

First off, NO POWERS, NO GADGETS, NO PREP, NOTHING ABOUT THEM OTHER THAN THEIR BARE KNUCKLES AND BOOTS!

No Ki Blasts, No flying, no super-human strength, no super-speed nothing.

Goku and Batman are on equal terms of strength, speed, endurance. Everything.

Let's see which of these martial artist will win a straight up fight using only their fists and nothing more.

 

This doesn't say that Goku is restricted to only using Ki in certain ways, this says that for the purpose of this match, he doesn't have any.

 

Anyways, if Shockwave has given you special information, detailing the ways Goku can actually use his ki in this fight, I'd love to hear them, since it would make this a quite different match.

But for now, I'll simply stick to what he's stated in the OP, since I don't actually need to bend the rules in any way, to debate why the superior fighter would win.

Funny how not being a fanboy makes things so much easier, no need to bend the rules, or ignore small details like how events took place in their own universe.

 

Batman has no reason to go all out for this fight. Honestly: he just has no reason to care. You can be disqualified by ring out. I could see Batsy stepping out of the ring so he could go get his own stuff done.

 

That's true, Batman has absolutely no reason to care about this fight. Since he doesn't care about it however, chances are just as good that he'd end it as fast as possible, with one of the multiple one hit K.O moves he has, rather than simply stepping out, while he doesn't care about it, he's still got some pride.

 

Batman has sparred with wonder woman - well Goku has fought Space *uncreative*, God, and a robot designed to be the world's best fighter who has stolen the braininformation of all the best fighters on the planet.

 

Yes, and all of those fights have been won by using Ki Techniques, which have been removed in this battle, thus completely removing any advantage they would give him, but I guess you didn't think of that.

 

Batman has several special moves in his arsenal, that could win the match for him in one move, Goku on the other hand, is reduced to beating Batman to a pulp, in order to win.

[Guest Pseudonym]

If Goku doesn't have any ki, he's dead. Ki is life energy. How does this confuse you?

[kainboa]

If Goku doesn't have any ki, he's dead

 

In the Dragon ball universe, yes, however since Ki has been removed, they are obviously not in the Dragon ball universe.

 

How does this confuse you?

 

I'm not confused, I am however obviously able to understand the extremely difficult concept of different universes operating with different laws, something that you seem to have a hard time grasping.

 

I'll try and explain it in simple terms, so you might be able to understand, if I need to try and explain it in different terms, please say so.

 

This fight doesn't take place in the Dragon Ball universe, as such, it doesn't follow the general laws that govern that universe. This enables Goku to survive, even though he doesn't have any Ki.

[Guest Pseudonym]

If Goku doesn't have any ki, he's dead

 

In the Dragon ball universe, yes, however since Ki has been removed, they are obviously not in the Dragon ball universe.

 

What? 1. Ki has not been removed. That's not a thing that's true, you made that up.

 

2.It doesn't matter, Goku's still had more training. He's a natural born fighter from an alien race of natural born fighters who was raised by a martial artist and then continued to fight all manner of things for the next god knows how many years of his life. Batman, on the other hand, spent a couple years learning how to walk on ice without breaking it and then used stealth moreso than straight up combat ability to carry out his doings. Goku has trained with God and then hand to hand fought the most powerful thing in the universe four or five times.

 

Goku is just better at martial arts than Bats is. And he cares more about this fight than Bats does.

[Indolent]

...I'm confused, are you using Batman Begins?

 

Because the comic version blows movie version out of the water.

[Dark Spider-man]

I love you Goku but ah....Batman is going to say. "I'm Batman." then get to cleaning house.

[Guest sirmethos]

What? 1. Ki has not been removed. That's not a thing that's true, you made that up.

 

2.It doesn't matter, Goku's still had more training. He's a natural born fighter from an alien race of natural born fighters who was raised by a martial artist and then continued to fight all manner of things for the next god knows how many years of his life. Batman, on the other hand, spent a couple years learning how to walk on ice without breaking it and then used stealth moreso than straight up combat ability to carry out his doings. Goku has trained with God and then hand to hand fought the most powerful thing in the universe four or five times.

 

Goku is just better at martial arts than Bats is. And he cares more about this fight than Bats does.

 

It's true that Goku cares more about the fight than Batman does. But no, he is not a better martial artist. Batman is, by far, the more skilled of the two.

 

 

The majority of Goku's skills are based around his Ki techniques, which he can't use in this fight. And the majority of Goku's training(and all the training he got from various teachers) was focused on increasing his power level, and learning new Ki techniques, which he can't use in this fight.

[kainboa]

What? 1. Ki has not been removed.

 

Yes, it has, allow me to repost the initial post, since you obviously have a hard time either remembering that far back, or using the scroll function to read it yourself.

 

First off, NO POWERS, NO GADGETS, NO PREP, NOTHING ABOUT THEM OTHER THAN THEIR BARE KNUCKLES AND BOOTS!

 

This means:

 

No Ki Blasts, No flying, no super-human strength, no super-speed nothing.

No Belt, no gadgets, nothing.

 

Goku and Batman are on equal terms of strength, speed, endurance. Everything. It's happening in a World Tournament ring.

 

The only difference in them is their terms of tenacity and fighting spirit.

 

That's it.

 

Let's see which of these martial artist will win a straight up fight using only their fists and nothing more.

 

I've taken the time to bold out the important parts, where Shockwave explains that Ki isn't a part of this fight, I hope that this will make it easier for you to understand.

 

If Goku doesn't have his Ki completely removed, it is blocked off to such a degree that the only thing it's used for, is to ensure he's alive, he can't use it in any way, neither active nor passive, in either case, the end result is the same.

 

Goku doesn't have any Ki in this fight.

 

That's not a thing that's true, you made that up.

 

No I haven't, contrary to you, I don't need to bend or ignore the rules, nor make any thing up, in order to have a snowballs chance in hell of showing why my particular choice for a winner in this fight, is the superior martial artist.

 

It doesn't matter, Goku's still had more training.

 

That is quite possible, but one thing you seem to be ignoring, is that most of that training, has been training various Ki techniques, or training to increase his Ki level, which means that all of that training, is completely useless.

 

He's a natural born fighter from an alien race of natural born fighters who was raised by a martial artist and then continued to fight all manner of things for the next god knows how many years of his life.

 

Yes, and that alien race use various Ki techniques to win their fights, all of those things he's fought, during the course of his life, he's fought using Ki techniques. Which means that for the purposes of this particular fight, those particular experiences, are next to worthless.

 

Batman, on the other hand, spent a couple years learning how to walk on ice without breaking it and then used stealth moreso than straight up combat ability to carry out his doings.

 

Okay, so you have absolutely no clue what kind of training Batman has undergone, and you're dismissing his skill because of your ignorance, typical fanboy behaviour.

 

Goku has trained with God and then hand to hand fought the most powerful thing in the universe four or five times.

 

He's done that, with Ki techniques, something that has been removed from this fight.

 

Goku is just better at martial arts than Bats is.

 

Thus far, all you've done to show that, is to list the different instances where Goku has used Ki techniques to win various fights.

And where he's been trained to either increase his Ki or learned a new Ki technique, something that in this particular fight, is completely useless, since Ki is removed or suppressed to the point where it's non-usable.

 

And he cares more about this fight than Bats does.

 

This is very possible, however even in that case, the difference in their skill level, is so large that unless Batman steps out of the ring of his own volition, or by a lucky strike, Goku has absolutely no chance of winning.

 

At this point I'm done debating this particular fight with you.

There's absolutely no point in debating fanboys, on top of ignoring the facts which shows that you are wrong, you'll either ignore the points I make, claim that they are incorrect for some asinine reason, or come up with completely unrelated side issues that has absolutely no bearing on the debate at hand.

[The Void]

Goku.

[Guest sirmethos]

Goku.

 

Is by far the less skilled, and experienced, of the two.

[The Void]

Is by far the less skilled, and experienced, of the two.

 

He's been training since birth...Since Grandpa Gohan.

[Guest Shockwave]

Seriously?

 

Seriously?

 

Ki's been removed in the regards that I posted. No blasts, flying speed, super-strength or any of Goku's powers hence the nothing. That means it's limited to how we have access to our Ki as normal humans.

 

Or are all of you just ignoring the rest of that post about them being equal in everything else?