Match 13588 Shang-Chi vs. Lady Shiva

[The Void]

During Avengers Galactic Operations it took Thor, Quasar, and Wonder Man combined to beat a 100% confident Gladiator. Gladiator has also defeated Vulcan and others.

 

Thor has already beat Gladiator on his own and Gladiator even admitted he couldn't beat him. Back than Wonder Man wasn't even a class 100 in strength since that was during the 90s and he didn't even get his power boost yet. I don't know about Quasar.

[Callisto]

Match Final Results

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SCORE

Shang-Chi: 21

Lady Shiva: 11

FPA: 3.8

 

[C.T.]

Stranglehold stop being dumb. Classic Hyperion held his own with Gladiator in a fight for a good while, so much so that Gladiator comments to the effect that Hyperion's physical attributes rival his own. Clearly a class 100.

 

Also, Wonder Man I believe is stronger than that.

 

But this is derailing, so on topic...dunno who wins.

[The Void]

Stranglehold stop being dumb. Classic Hyperion held his own with Gladiator in a fight for a good while, so much so that Gladiator comments to the effect that Hyperion's physical attributes rival his own. Clearly a class 100.

 

Also, Wonder Man I believe is stronger than that.

 

But this is derailing, so on topic...dunno who wins.

 

The match is over...

[C.T.]

Doesn't mean you can't comment on who wins.

[Guest Darxeth]

If the World's greatest Detective thinks Lady Shiva was mind controlled, chances are, she was, despite what people might believe.

 

As for the match, I think Shiva barely loses.

 

Great Set-up, Dinsdale.

[Guest force_echo]

I feel like all of Strangehold's arguments basically amount to Person X is holding back, when he has absolutely no proof that they would be doing so.

[Guest Darxeth]

A bit of advice for you, Stranglehold: Don't rely so heavily on Marvel's stats, they are oftentimes inaccurate, outdated or otherwise wrong.

 

Cheers :]

[Guest sirmethos]

"Hey you're the one that mentioned 'blocked'. You should have just said he redirected it...."

 

Yes, I mentioned "blocked", because he blocked the punch. You assumed that he blocked it by taking all the energy, and thus stopping the punch. I just clarified, that he blocked the punch, by redirecting the energy. Which made him capable of blocking a punch that he "shouldn't be able to".

 

 

"Yet people like Daredevil, Black Panther, Kingpin,etc are able to keep up with him when he is not holding back."

 

In terms of pure agility, no. They are not able to "keep up with him".

 

 

"1. So already has reacted to people way faster than Shang Chi....Shadowdragon? Who is faster than a thought."

 

Yes, because Shiva could see the attacks coming, by reading his body language. I.e. Shadowdragon's attacks were telegraphed. Shang Chi could get around that, by not telegraphing his attacks, forcing her to rely on pure reaction time, and speed. Rather than knowing the attack is coming, and moving before it is actually launched.

 

 

"2. I'mnot talking about physical capabilities. You keep bringing that up. I'm mostly talking about pure h2h which this fight is mostly going to be about."

 

Yes, I keep bringing physical capabilities up, because it is a factor, when the skill level is roughly equal. Deathstroke, who is considerably less skilled than Batman, has almost effortlessly taken him out on more than one occasion, purely due to his superior physical and mental capabilities. That is also the same reason that Cap would (easily)beat Batman in a straight up fight.

 

And in this particular case, it is a large part of the reason for why Shang Chi wins.

 

 

"Yes Captain America is physically superior to Batman but what mental capabilities does Captain America have that puts him above Batman?"

 

All of his mental capabilities were enhanced by the Super Soldier Serum, just like his physical ones.

 

 

"Spiderman mans fighting skills is only listed as a 5 in Marvel."

 

You brought something similar up, earlier. I'll repeat myself, since you obviously didn't get it the first time.

 

The Marvel Stat Grids are useless

 

Among other people that Marvel has listed as a 5, in Fighting Skills, is the Prince of Orphans, who is one of the top 5 martial artists in Marvel.

 

Other people listed as a 5 are, Black Panther, Kitty Pryde, Blade, Bullseye, Silver Samurai, Wong(dr. strange's assistant), etc.

 

 

"In Marvel Batgirls fighting skills would be listed as a 7."

 

No, she really wouldn't.

 

A 7 means "master of all forms of combat", which Batgirl is not.

 

 

"Again a futile point. People say things in comics that is not true. Gladiator couldn't even beat Thor, struggled with Black Bolt(freaking Black Bolt who is only a 60 tonner or 75 tonner), Canonball, struggled with 616 Hyperion(who's only a freaking 75 tonner) and his fight with Gambit...

 

If Marvel says Gladiator is super strong(same with Shang Chi) then they would write him out to be so, like what their ACTUALLY doing with Thor currently. Hulk is said to be "The Strongest Their Is" and you know what? Marvel actually writes him out to be just that even if at the expense of making characters job. I don't know why you brought up Sentry when the same could be said for him just like with Gladiator.

 

Again this is a futile point."

 

Instead of actually trying to make a case for Lady Shiva, it seems like you're trying to downplay Shang Chi, and clinging to the Marvel Stat-Grids.

 

Using that logic, Superman would easily defeat Sentry(after all, Sentry lost to Hulk, albeit the World War version). Superman would also take out people like Dr. Strange, the entire Avengers, X-men, Inhumans, and more. Who all lost to Hulk.

 

Iron Man, Mandarin, War Machine, Dr. Doom, Hank Pym, and more, are more powerful than Sentry, when it comes to Energy Manipulation. Sentry is listed as a 5, while they are all listed as 6.

 

Legion and Sage are just as intelligent as the Grandmaster and Thanos. They are all listed as a 6.

 

Loki, Namor and Colossus, are just as durable as Sentry. And Legion is more durable than Sentry. Sentry, Loki, Namor, etc. are listed as a 6, while Legion is listed as a 7.

 

 

Robin(tim drake) is apparently, according to the logic you're using, one of the top 5 martial artists in DC, since he defeated Lady Shiva(something that Batman hasn't managed).

 

 

 

When you want to actually debate, rather than trying to downplay the characters, let me know.