Batman vs Marvel Heroes

[C.T.]

Skadoosh, I just posted a pic that showed Quicksilver was indeed FTL. Not sure if that is still the case though.

 

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Ok, there's just so much blatant stupidity in this thread now, that I feel a need to respond.

 

"I don't think 1 hours of prep is enough and Batman for the most part is physically outmatched here. He loses."

 

The OP says he already knows their "names, powers, etc". The difficult, and most time consuming, part of prep. has already been done. All he has to do in that one hour, is put together a strategy to take them down.

 

Also, what does Batman being physically outmatched, have to do with whether he wins or loses? It's not like he's taking them on in close-quarter combat.

 

 

"Pretty much what everybody else said. Funny while Batman is busy trying not to get pounded to death by Shehulk or Thing I could see Punisher being the one to kill him in the end by mistake or simply because he doesn't give a f**k."

 

Or, while Tim is busy incapacitating the 'less dangerous' members, like She-Hulk, using various gadgets from the Batcave, as well as the Batmobile, Batman is using the Insider Suit to sneak up on Punisher, and take him out before he becomes a real threat. Punisher is one of the 2-3 biggest threats on the team, chances are that he would be one of Batman's first targets.

 

 

"One hour simply isn't enough time to prepare. I could see him evading the heroes for a while and taking several down, but he would need more prep time for say War Machine."

 

Not necessarily. Phantom Zone Projector.

 

 

"I was never impressed by the Insider Suit. It can mimic certain JLA abilities, yeah, but I don't think it ever showed that it could actually perform on the level of Superman and the like. Batman gets stomped badly in my opinion."

 

The Insider Suit was never meant to put him anywhere near the level of Superman.

 

 

"Batman isn't taking down that team with a hour of prep. It has powerhouses like Shehulk, geniuses like Beast, and more. It has a all around team that has the whole package."

 

Batman knows who, and what, he's dealing with. They don't.

 

Batman has the advantage of knowing the area, as well as being able to make a strategy, specifically designed with the members of the team, and their capabilities, in mind.

 

The OP doesn't mention anything about the team knowing that he's prepared for them(i.e. that he knows they're coming), so he might have the element of surprise as well.

 

The home field advantage, is more than simply knowing the terrain. He also knows which villains are active, and which general areas they are located in. Which would make for some very effective distractions.

 

 

"Batman isn't sneaking up and attacking most of the heroes on the Marvel team. There either too experienced for that or have abilities or suits (War Machine) that make it pointless to try to do that."

 

Batman is capable of sneaking up on people with super-humans senses, who have experience dealing with Batman. He also(as mentioned) has the advantage of knowing the terrain, which just makes it easier for him to "stealth" around.

 

 

"Batman doesn't have many advantages."

 

Not true.

 

 

"Compared to Batman? Yes he is. I don't really feel like this should turn into a Batman vs Punisher thread. But even if you don't think he's a chump, at least admit that Batman would defeat him."

 

No, he really isn't.

 

Between Batman and Punisher, Batman has the advantage in technology, intelligence and close combat skill. While Punisher has the advantage in mindset, ranged combat, and military spec. ops. training.

 

Punisher is close, if not equal, to Batman as a strategist and tactician.

 

Who would win, of those two, depends on the scenario. In close combat, Batman wins easily. In most other scenarios(without outside influences), Punisher would win.

 

 

"On Castles terms, Batman would still thrash him. Batman is superior in virtually every aspect. But just wondering, what do you mean by "on Castles terms?""

 

No, he really isn't.

 

 

"A sniper shot likely wouldn't pierce Batman's armor,"

 

Yes, it would.

 

Batman's armor is made of Kevlar and a small percentage of titanium. Most high-end snipers(like the .50 Cal. Barrett) would rip right through the armor.

 

Likewise, armor piercing bullets of a good caliber, would rip right through it.

 

 

"and it's almost impossible to make a sniper shot from miles away."

 

Not quite.

 

 

"When Batman does it it's PIS but when Punisher does it he's a badass. Batman can take on Superman and the Justice League with prep, and in Batman Hush improvised and was able to shut down Superman. Granted, he knows Superman, but still."

 

Batman has never defeated Superman.

 

 

"Sorry but yes

 

batfreezesniper1.jpg

 

batfreezesniper2.jpg "

 

If you actually look at where Batman is located(before the shot), and where the shot actually hits, you'll notice that the shot was aimed at Freeze, just above Batman's shoulder.

 

If you look at the text, you will also notice Batman commenting that the bullet is too fast for him. Once the shot was actually fired, Batman couldn't do anything to prevent it from hitting it's target.

 

He doesn't hear the shot, he hears the Sniper(shooter).

 

He wouldn't be able to hear the shot either way, since the bullet moves faster than sound. If the shot had been aimed at Batman, he would be dead.

 

 

 

 

"A sniper rifle can be heard from approx. 2 miles away."

 

What does that have to do with anything?

 

By the time you hear the shot, it's too late to do anything, let alone dodge.

 

There's a saying "if you hear the shot, it wasn't aimed at you." That's because the bullet moves considerably faster than sound, and by the time you hear the shot, the bullet has already hit.

 

 

"And that range is beyond ridiculously far if you are expecting Punisher to hit Batman in the mouth."

 

It is ridiculously far, yes. But Punisher has managed more difficult shots in the past.

 

 

"So, Batman could doge the shot."

 

No, he really couldn't.

 

 

"Sorry, didn't see it in time. But, that could be called PIS. It's simply absurd."

 

No, it's not PIS. Punisher has consistently shown that level of skill and accuracy. It would be absurd in the real world, but we are talking about comics here.

 

 

 

"Because there's no goddamn way that a human being could possible make a 4 mile shot. Snipers can't even shoot that far. It's even more crazy than bullet dodging. It's less plausible than aliens with superpowers!"

 

And now you're just sounding like a fanboy that has run out of arguments.

 

 

 

"Actually, it's completely impossible. The range on the best sniper guns is just over a mile."

 

1. Punisher uses an alien rifle. And tends to use custom made weaponry(he customizes a lot of his weapons himself).

 

2. The Barrett M82, that you linked to, is not the sniper rifle with the longest range. The CheyTac Intervention has a considerably longer effective range. The record for the longest range kill-shot is also beyond that(roughly 1.8 miles).

 

3. Punisher has been shown taking shots from considerably beyond a mile. Again, this is comics, not the real world.

 

 

According to statements from Wolverine, Nick Fury, Maverick, and Black Widow, Punisher is pretty much the best sniper on the planet.

 

Statements like "Five headshots in one heartbeat, only one man could have done that.", "Castle is the only one who could have performed a shot like that."

 

 

 

It's by no means a guaranteed victory for Batman, but people are selling him extremely short.

Let me try to deal with this without looking like a twat. Batman's armor has tanked submachine gun fire, several rounds at point blank, and if the bullets aren't armor piercing, he has taken multiple headshots from sniper rifles. In a fight were neither has prep time, Batman would win. He has been fast enough to neutralize (I count 12) armed guards all aiming at him, and blocked machine gun fire with his gauntlet. I don't expect you to take my word for it, and I'll find the scans if necessary, but Batmans too fast, durable, and strong to get nailed before he closes with Castle. And since Castles not incredibly fast, who's to say that he won't get hit by Batarangs?

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

Let me try to deal with this without looking like a twat. Batman's armor has tanked submachine gun fire, several rounds at point blank, and if the bullets aren't armor piercing,

 

A submachine gun fires pistol ammunition at a high rate. Armor that will deflect pistol fire is pretty effective against a smg. A sniper rifle is much more powerful and will tear through light armor like it wasn't there.

 

he has taken multiple headshots from sniper rifles.

 

I'd like to see the source.

 

In a fight were neither has prep time, Batman would win. He has been fast enough to neutralize (I count 12) armed guards all aiming at him, and blocked machine gun fire with his gauntlet.

 

I recently watched "Beneath the Red Hood" and really liked the scenes where Red Hood opened fire with his pistol and Batman was forced to duck for cover. That was intelligent writing. It portrayed Batman as intelligent and skilled enough to avoid being shot but also showed that guns are dangerous enough that he has to be careful around them.

 

Scenes like you're describing, where a human character runs straight at a gun and dodges or blocks the bullets are all PIS unless the character is someone like Flash, Wonder Woman, or even Spiderman who has obvious superhuman speed. It doesn;t matter how well-trained someone is, the human nervous system doesn't fire fast enough to allow dodging a bullet at close range.

 

Lest you think I'm picking on Batman, any human character dodging or parrying bullets after they've been fired is PIS, it doesn't matter whether it's Batman, Daredevil, Snake Eyes, etc. The character who can do this is at least 10 times faster than it is humanly possible to be.

 

I don't expect you to take my word for it, and I'll find the scans if necessary, but Batmans too fast, durable, and strong to get nailed before he closes with Castle. And since Castles not incredibly fast, who's to say that he won't get hit by Batarangs?

 

Batman has the potential to beat Punisher, but not if he runs straight at him expecting his dodging and armor to protect him. He has to use stealth and intelligence.

[Guest bigballerju]

They are not an experienced team. Some of them may have worked together over the years, but they are not experienced as a team. The Avengers are an experienced team. What i've listed above is a group of heroes who know each other. Batman could very definitely sneak up on most, if not all, of the heroes mentioned. It's what he'd do once he's snuck up on them that's the big question. He has many advantages, big ones, too, like knowing the city perfectly, having a whole cave of gear and gadgets, knowing what his enemies are capable of, etc.

 

Yes they are experienced as a team. Go read various runs of Avengers. Most of the people listed for Marvel heroes in this match have all been on the same Avengers team in the past and know how to work together.That's a fact.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

 

 

 

"Sorry but yes

 

batfreezesniper1.jpg

 

batfreezesniper2.jpg "

 

If you actually look at where Batman is located(before the shot), and where the shot actually hits, you'll notice that the shot was aimed at Freeze, just above Batman's shoulder.

 

If you look at the text, you will also notice Batman commenting that the bullet is too fast for him. Once the shot was actually fired, Batman couldn't do anything to prevent it from hitting it's target.

 

He doesn't hear the shot, he hears the Sniper(shooter).

 

He wouldn't be able to hear the shot either way, since the bullet moves faster than sound. If the shot had been aimed at Batman, he would be dead.

 

 

Yes, the bullet moves faster than sound. But the writer messed up, because Batman hears "the thick bounce of air" (meaning the gunshot) and moves.

 

 

A submachine gun fires pistol ammunition at a high rate. Armor that will deflect pistol fire is pretty effective against a smg. A sniper rifle is much more powerful and will tear through light armor like it wasn't there.

 

 

 

I'd like to see the source.

 

 

 

I recently watched "Beneath the Red Hood" and really liked the scenes where Red Hood opened fire with his pistol and Batman was forced to duck for cover. That was intelligent writing. It portrayed Batman as intelligent and skilled enough to avoid being shot but also showed that guns are dangerous enough that he has to be careful around them.

 

Scenes like you're describing, where a human character runs straight at a gun and dodges or blocks the bullets are all PIS unless the character is someone like Flash, Wonder Woman, or even Spiderman who has obvious superhuman speed. It doesn;t matter how well-trained someone is, the human nervous system doesn't fire fast enough to allow dodging a bullet at close range.

 

Lest you think I'm picking on Batman, any human character dodging or parrying bullets after they've been fired is PIS, it doesn't matter whether it's Batman, Daredevil, Snake Eyes, etc. The character who can do this is at least 10 times faster than it is humanly possible to be.

 

 

 

Batman has the potential to beat Punisher, but not if he runs straight at him expecting his dodging and armor to protect him. He has to use stealth and intelligence.

 

Here you go.

 

http://s289.beta.photobucket.com/user/darknight2k/media/Endurance/Body%20Armor/detective730-snipethebat1.jpg.html

http://s289.beta.photobucket.com/user/darknight2k/media/Endurance/Body%20Armor/detective730-snipethebat2.jpg.html

 

I'm not saying he's going to charge him, but having tough armor and being very hard to hit do help.

[C.T.]

Batman clearly said those weren't armor piercing shells.

 

"My most dangerous hunch proved correct--No one had armor piercing shells. Had I been wrong, I'd be dead."

 

Castle would definitely pack armor piercing rounds, among various other types.

[The Void]

Batman still loses...

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Batman clearly said those weren't armor piercing shells.

 

"My most dangerous hunch proved correct--No one had armor piercing shells. Had I been wrong, I'd be dead."

 

Castle would definitely pack armor piercing rounds, among various other types.

 

It's still impressive. And Castles default rounds would not be AP.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

Yes, the bullet moves faster than sound. But the writer messed up, because Batman hears "the thick bounce of air" (meaning the gunshot) and moves.

 

Right.

 

Here you go.

 

http://s289.beta.pho...hebat1.jpg.html

http://s289.beta.pho...hebat2.jpg.html

 

I'm not saying he's going to charge him, but having tough armor and being very hard to hit do help.

 

Thanks.

 

They're firing what look like hunting rifles with scopes (maybe a 30.06 round) rather than the more powerful military (or Skrull) rifle the Punisher would use. I'd also guess that they weren't shooting him in the head. When we see through the scope it's aimed at the neck/upper shoulder and the sniper would want to adjust for either a head or a body shot. The two times Batman goes down, it's not clear where he's been hit. I'm guessing the body because that's a better target, especially for an unskilled marksman like these guys.

 

Still, I'm impressed. His armor has to be much better than what the police use to take several shots from a hunting rifle.

[Guest bigballerju]

Frank Castle always carries heavy and powerful weapons along with a crapload of explosives. His rounds would definitely be armor piercing.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Frank Castle always carries heavy and powerful weapons along with a crapload of explosives. His rounds would definitely be armor piercing.

 

Not saying he wouldn't have armor piercing rounds on him, but he wouldn't have them in his gun and ready to go. He would likely start out with basic ammo. Also, Batman's armor is not a reliance but a last resort. He would be sneaking around Castle using cover, tossing Batarangs, and dodging.

[Guest force_echo]

Batman's armor can't stop a .50, it's been stated time and time again that it's only effective against small arms fire.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

A lot of the focus has been on Batman and the Punisher, but there are some other tough cookies here.

 

Spider Woman - With her strength, speed and venom blasts, she could easily take Batman in a fair fight. Batman won't be fighting fair, but SW is fast and powerful. Her biggest weakness is that I doubt she is nearly as tactically smart as Batman.

 

Beast - Much stronger and measurably more agile, Beast would probably win a straight fight. He is a genius, but that seems to be more science genius and not really tctical genius. I think batman could take him with a good plan and weapons.

 

Quicksilver - Very powerful but cocky. Someone commented earlier that Pietro couldn't take Batman out with one punch but that's not relevant whth someone who can throw dozens of punches in the time it takes Bats to throw one. In any kind of fair contest, Pietro takes this easily, but Batman is subtle and Pietro is arrogant. If Batman plays it just right, I can see him doing this.

 

She-Hulk - She's not subtle or a great tactical thinker, but he can throw standard Bat-weapons at her all day without really hurting her. She-Hulk has so much raw power that it would take something like the Pahntom Zone projector to stop her. However, since Batman has one of those, he's more than capable of blindsiding her.

 

Vision - This is the guy I think is most likely to take Batman out. He's smart, immensely powerful, and so versatile that he potentially has a counter for anything Batman can do. IThe Phamtom Zone device is proabbly Batman's only hope, and even that's iffy.

 

The Punisher - Has been discussed to death on the thread. He is smart, skilled and resourceful to be almost the equal of Batman by himself.

 

The Thing - Ben is less durable than She-Hulk but much more experienced. It'll be hard to hurt him and hard to blind side him with the PZ projector. My guess is that Batman is going to be able to use the projector on one or (if he gets really lucky) two of the powerhouses before one of the others incapacitates it.

 

War Machine - Rhodey is smart and experienced and has a ton of firepower. I can imagine Batman beating him, but only with a lot of effort and a really good plan.

 

Black Widow - I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Natasha yet. She's a close match for Batman in stealth, fighting skills, intelligence, and weaponry. I think Batman will beat her most times, but it'll never be easy, and if he's distracted by others, she has a good chance of beating him.

 

Captain America - I'm one who believes Captain America can beat Batman in a straight fight. When Iron Fist met Cap for the first time it was all he could do to hold his own. The quote was "His technique is basic, but his speed and power are incredible." Cap is also a tactical thinker on a par with Batman and he has am amazing track record at beating ambushes and traps.

 

 

IMO, Batman and Robin have a good chance to beat any vs any three of these given prep time and home court advantage. Having to fight them together makes it close to impossible (though he could pull it off if anyone could). Adding the US Army is overkill. IMO, if Batman is smart he will never make this into any kind of direct competition. He will work on this for weeks or months, taking down enemies one at a time.

 

Also, Captain America and the Black Widow vs. Batman and Robin would be a heck of a match.

[Guest bigballerju]

I agree completely Dinsdale. People are forgetting Batman and Robin also have the army to deal with who have tanks and helicopters. That's why I said between the Marvel heroes and the army Batman loses here for sure. It's a stomp. Batman wouldn't use the phantom zone projector on superheroes and the JLA teleporter is useless here as well. The Batmobile or any vechicles they use can be destroyed easily by War Machine with his firepower or the 100 man army led by Captain America with the tanks they have.

 

Batman and Robin don't have such powerful and various equipment where they can take out the Marvel heroes and 100 man army with tanks as well as helicopters.

 

One hour isn't enough.

[DSkillz]

For some reason, I got a good laugh out of tom's post. Maybe because it's much simpler than all the posts about head-on tactics.

[Guest skadoosh]

Skadoosh, I just posted a pic that showed Quicksilver was indeed FTL. Not sure if that is still the case though.

 

Ok, cool. But it's pretty important that we know if he's faster than light currently, or not.

 

Yes they are experienced as a team. Go read various runs of Avengers. Most of the people listed for Marvel heroes in this match have all been on the same Avengers team in the past and know how to work together.That's a fact.

 

Yes, some of the listed heroes have worked together before, i'm aware and i did not dispute that. But, for example, Iron Man, Captain America and Thor have more experience together and will thusly work better as a team than She-Hulk, The Thing and War Machine. That was my point, and it's correct.

 

Batman and Robin don't have such powerful and various equipment where they can take out the Marvel heroes and 100 man army with tanks as well as helicopters.

 

Batman has the brains and the gear to take down the JLA. He definitely has the kind of equipment needed to take down the heroes listed above. It doesn't have to be a bomb or an armour that enhances his strength, it just has to be a gas that knocks them out, or tranquilliser darts, or a high-powered laser shot from afar, or extremely powerful electric shocks, or EMPs, etc, etc.

[Guest bigballerju]

My responses are below in bold.

 

Ok, cool. But it's pretty important that we know if he's faster than light currently, or not.

 

 

 

Yes, some of the listed heroes have worked together before, i'm aware and i did not dispute that. But, for example, Iron Man, Captain America and Thor have more experience together and will thusly work better as a team than She-Hulk, The Thing and War Machine. That was my point, and it's correct.

 

The fact is they all have worked together with each other for years. Doesn't matter some have more experience with the others. Either way they all know each other and always work with each other. It's nowhere near a disadvantage or a weakness. No point in bringing that up honestly.

 

That's not a disadvantage. By the way Ironman, Captain America, Thor, She-Hulk, Thing, and others have all been on the same Avengers team

 

Batman has the brains and the gear to take down the JLA. He definitely has the kind of equipment needed to take down the heroes listed above. It doesn't have to be a bomb or an armour that enhances his strength, it just has to be a gas that knocks them out, or tranquilliser darts, or a high-powered laser shot from afar, or extremely powerful electric shocks, or EMPs, etc, etc.

 

Batman has no equipment to take on the 100 man army with tanks and helicopters for one. Two being that the heroes will be surrounded by civilians in the city how will he use gas that knocks them out? Also Batman would need a hell of a powerful gas to knock out Shehulk and Thing. Also people like Widow and Punisher are prepared for such attacks. In addition I doubt gas would work on Vision being he isn't human and War Machine's armor probably has defenses against such a gas attack with his latest armor. What high-powered laser Batman has that he will use? You think he will have time to sit back and use such a weapon with the massive army coming and heroes he is facing? In the time he takes to use a laser he can be knocked out by Quicksilver. Electric shocks are won't work on Shehulk and Thing. Also heroes like War Machine and Vision have abilities or weapons that could counter such attacks.

 

Tranquilliser darts? Absolutely useless on Shehulk, Thing, Vision, War Machine, and Quicksilver (Will be moving way too fast to be hit with those)

 

Phantom Zone projector? Batman won't use it on heroes and the U.S army who are just doing there job.

 

JLA teleporter? Useless.

 

Would you like me to continue? Reread the first post. Batman has his standard equipment. He only has basic knowledge on the heroes which means he doesn't know anything about them but what he has seen in the media and newspapers basically. Also Batman has no outside help in this scenerio. Which means only him and Robin. Oh and he only has a hour to prep on heroes he doesn't know anything about really. That's including the 100 man army lead by Captain America with tanks as well as helicopters coming in another hour.

 

Team Marvel wins easily. I won't go into detail on the abilities of the Marvel Heroes involved and their experience because they should speak for themselves. People are also forgetting the fact the Marvel Heroes if there coming for Batman probably worked out their own plan on how to take him down. So there not going in all gung ho like amateurs with no experience.

[Guest sirmethos]

" Reread the first post. Batman has his standard equipment."

 

Not true.

 

The OP says that he has "everything in the Bat Cave,"

 

 

"He only has basic knowledge on the heroes which means he doesn't know anything about them but what he has seen in the media and newspapers basically."

 

Again, not quite true.

 

The OP clarifies what is meant by "basic knowledge".

 

names, powers, etc

 

Just the fact that he knows their powers, is a huge help when he is preparing.

 

 

"People are also forgetting the fact the Marvel Heroes if there coming for Batman probably worked out their own plan on how to take him down."

 

Oh? Where, exactly, has the OP said that the Marvel heroes has any kind of prep.?

 

 

"Tranquilliser darts? Absolutely useless on Shehulk, Thing, Vision, War Machine, and Quicksilver (Will be moving way too fast to be hit with those)"

 

True, except for Quicksilver.

 

They will be perfectly useful though, against Punisher, Black Widow, Beast, Spider-Woman, and Cap. America.

 

 

"Batman has no equipment to take on the 100 man army with tanks and helicopters"

 

Not entirely true.

 

1. The OP says it is only "a few tanks and helicopters".

 

2. The 100 man army, is just regular humans from the U.S. military.

[Guest Incredible Hulk]

I bet Batman's Batmobile and Batplane could handle the army especially if he preps them with the right equipment. Batman could also possible extend his prep time past the hour he gets before the marvel team comes by hiding out in his Batcave. The heroes would be busy searching the city to figure out where Batman is and would have to find the Batcave which wouldn't be easy.

Anyway for dealing with the heroes he could probably improvise if he had to he could at least use some of the stuff he designed to take out members of the justice league if they ever went rouge (which I'm pretty sure he would at least have the stuf f to take out the rouge Justice league already somewhere in his Batcave handy).

[Guest bigballerju]

" Reread the first post. Batman has his standard equipment."

 

Not true.

 

The OP says that he has "everything in the Bat Cave,"

 

Very true. My fault I had another thread open next to this. I got confused with the two.

 

 

"He only has basic knowledge on the heroes which means he doesn't know anything about them but what he has seen in the media and newspapers basically."

 

Again, not quite true.

 

The OP clarifies what is meant by "basic knowledge".

 

Basic knowledge still could mean what Batman has seen them done in public regarding abilities and how they fight in battles. Doesn't say he has more then that or enough to know there weaknesses.

 

Just the fact that he knows their powers, is a huge help when he is preparing.

 

 

"People are also forgetting the fact the Marvel Heroes if there coming for Batman probably worked out their own plan on how to take him down."

 

Oh? Where, exactly, has the OP said that the Marvel heroes has any kind of prep.?

 

LOL I figured if the Marvel Heroes were coming to take down Batman and they have a army coming in led by Captain America then some prep on Batman must have been done to warranty such actions on their part. I mean if they didn't have prep why would they make sure to have a army come into Gotham as well. It would seem they had prep and realized how great Batman is regarding what he is capable of.

 

"Tranquilliser darts? Absolutely useless on Shehulk, Thing, Vision, War Machine, and Quicksilver (Will be moving way too fast to be hit with those)"

 

True, except for Quicksilver.

 

Quicksilver at this point is too fast to be hit with a tranquilliser dart. Quicksilver to his credit when he runs hardly ever stops and doesn't make that mistake from what I have seen from him.

 

They will be perfectly useful though, against Punisher, Black Widow, Beast, Spider-Woman, and Cap. America.

 

 

"Batman has no equipment to take on the 100 man army with tanks and helicopters"

 

Not entirely true.

 

I listed some of the equipment already that's useless or could be countered. I know there is more but it's only him and Robin. How much equipment would they be able to use to take out the Marvel Heroes with there various abilities and 100 man army ? Any batmobiles and bat vechicles can be easily destroyed by War Machine with his firepower with his current suit. Batman will only be able to drive one or the other. It's either a batmobile or batplane if he decides to use one of the two which he wouldn't to be honest. Just clarifying the vechicles are useless as well since someone else brought it up.

 

Now I know Batman has various bat suits with different capabilities but which ones before flashpoint does he still have? That I will say I can't remember at the moment. Do we know any guaranteed ones he always keeps in the batcave?

 

1. The OP says it is only "a few tanks and helicopters".

 

2. The 100 man army, is just regular humans from the U.S. military.

 

How is Batman going to deal with the 100 man army? That's another part. Batman won't use the same amount of force and action on regular people just doing there job like he would on superheroes. Batman has to battle them and the heroes at the same time. Batman is only one person along with Robin. That's alot to deal with as well.

[Guest sirmethos]

"Basic knowledge still could mean what Batman has seen them done in public regarding abilities and how they fight in battles. Doesn't say he has more then that or enough to know there weaknesses."

 

Very true.

 

And if he only knows their powers, without having any kind of information about weaknesses, then he will be planning with that information in mind. I.e. his plans won't rely on any specific weaknesses they might have. Which just makes the plans so much more likely to work.

 

 

"LOL I figured if the Marvel Heroes were coming to take down Batman and they have a army coming in led by Captain America then some prep on Batman must have been done to warranty such actions on their part. I mean if they didn't have prep why would they make sure to have a army come into Gotham as well. It would seem they had prep and realized how great Batman is regarding what he is capable of."

 

There is absolutely nothing in the OP, saying that the heroes are the ones that made sure to have the army come to Gotham.

 

For all we know, Cap and the army are moving into Gotham in orders from Fury(or Osborn) or Maria Hill, or another government official.

 

 

 

"Quicksilver at this point is too fast to be hit with a tranquilliser dart. Quicksilver to his credit when he runs hardly ever stops and doesn't make that mistake from what I have seen from him."

 

The way they generally handle this type of situation, is to split up. 2, sometimes 3, people per 'team'. Quicksilver will be scouting alone, in the area near the team he is assigned to. It wouldn't be particularly difficult, to get him into an area that has been prepared for him, with liberal use of the Freeze Gun. Quicksilver down, and easy target for a Tranq.

 

That's just one of several ways I can think of, to easily remove Quicksilver. As I mentioned in an earlier post, if I can think of it, chances are that Batman can(and has) think of it as well.

 

And that's a plan that uses no information about Quicksilver, aside from his speed. And no information about the Heroes as a whole, aside from what can easily be observed.

 

 

 

"How much equipment would they be able to use to take out the Marvel Heroes with there various abilities and 100 man army ?"

 

Cap and the 100 man army, only arrives after an hour. I.e. Batman has an hour to take down the heroes, before Cap and the army shows up. And that's after prep'ing for an hour, to take down the Heroes.

 

Out of the 9 heroes, the only ones that are actually a problem to take out, are Vision and War Machine, and to a lesser degree, She-Hulk.

 

The majority of them can be taken out with Tranq's, Gas, Freeze Gun, and other similar equipment. All of which can be done while hidden.

 

 

 

"Any batmobiles and bat vechicles can be easily destroyed by War Machine with his firepower with his current suit."

 

Aye, but there is no reason to use those until the army shows up.

 

 

"Batman will only be able to drive one or the other."

 

Aye, and then Robin can drive one, and at least one can be remotely controlled, requiring minimal human control. Similar to how they used the Batmobile to take out the unfinished Amazo.

 

 

"Just clarifying the vechicles are useless as well since someone else brought it up."

 

Well, that's nice. But the vehicles are far from useless.

 

1. They would be highly effective against Cap and the army.

 

2. They would be highly effective against some of the heroes.

 

3. They could be used as an effective distraction.

 

 

"Now I know Batman has various bat suits with different capabilities but which ones before flashpoint does he still have? That I will say I can't remember at the moment. Do we know any guaranteed ones he always keeps in the batcave?"

 

The most likely one for him to use in this scenario, is the Insider Suit.

 

 

"How is Batman going to deal with the 100 man army? That's another part. Batman won't use the same amount of force and action on regular people just doing there job like he would on superheroes. Batman has to battle them and the heroes at the same time. Batman is only one person along with Robin. That's alot to deal with as well."

 

Again, Cap and the 100 man army, only arrives after 1 hour.

[Guest force_echo]

Maybe if Batman goes extremely slow. But even then, I just don't see it happening. The second he uses any big toy and makes a target out of himself, he's going down. And maybe he can isolate people and pick them off, but Captain America isn't stupid. The second he sees that being used he's going to consolidate forces.

[Guest ViperKing]

Batman would definitely get beaten against these Marvel heroes. If he had to face them individually, he would possibly be able to beat them with an entire hour of preparation for one on one. He has no chance at all even with the help of Boy Wonder. Batman would need years of preparation to have a chance at beating all of them combined. Even so, he still would not have a significant chance at them. Especially since Captain America and his soldiers are coming, Batman would have a hard time beating them all of them without interference from the other heroes. The fight would last for little over fifteen minutes before the campaign would overpower them. One question, does Batman have morals in this one?

[Guest skadoosh]

My responses are below in bold.

 

Spending more time as a team would mean you're more experienced as a team. Obviously. So, like i said before, the heroes i have listed are not as experienced as a team as, say, the Avengers are. For example, Iron Man and Captain America would work better together than She-Hulk and Quicksilver. Everything else you got wrong is responded to below:

 

" Reread the first post. Batman has his standard equipment."

 

Not true.

 

The OP says that he has "everything in the Bat Cave,"

 

 

"He only has basic knowledge on the heroes which means he doesn't know anything about them but what he has seen in the media and newspapers basically."

 

Again, not quite true.

 

The OP clarifies what is meant by "basic knowledge".

 

 

 

Just the fact that he knows their powers, is a huge help when he is preparing.

 

 

"People are also forgetting the fact the Marvel Heroes if there coming for Batman probably worked out their own plan on how to take him down."

 

Oh? Where, exactly, has the OP said that the Marvel heroes has any kind of prep.?

 

 

"Tranquilliser darts? Absolutely useless on Shehulk, Thing, Vision, War Machine, and Quicksilver (Will be moving way too fast to be hit with those)"

 

True, except for Quicksilver.

 

They will be perfectly useful though, against Punisher, Black Widow, Beast, Spider-Woman, and Cap. America.

 

 

"Batman has no equipment to take on the 100 man army with tanks and helicopters"

 

Not entirely true.

 

1. The OP says it is only "a few tanks and helicopters".

 

2. The 100 man army, is just regular humans from the U.S. military.

 

To clarify, the Marvel heroes do not have any preparation time, and neither do the soldiers. All they know is that they have to take down someone called Batman.

 

I bet Batman's Batmobile and Batplane could handle the army especially if he preps them with the right equipment. Batman could also possible extend his prep time past the hour he gets before the marvel team comes by hiding out in his Batcave. The heroes would be busy searching the city to figure out where Batman is and would have to find the Batcave which wouldn't be easy.

Anyway for dealing with the heroes he could probably improvise if he had to he could at least use some of the stuff he designed to take out members of the justice league if they ever went rouge (which I'm pretty sure he would at least have the stuf f to take out the rouge Justice league already somewhere in his Batcave handy).

 

 

Batman would definitely get beaten against these Marvel heroes. If he had to face them individually, he would possibly be able to beat them with an entire hour of preparation for one on one. He has no chance at all even with the help of Boy Wonder. Batman would need years of preparation to have a chance at beating all of them combined. Even so, he still would not have a significant chance at them. Especially since Captain America and his soldiers are coming, Batman would have a hard time beating them all of them without interference from the other heroes. The fight would last for little over fifteen minutes before the campaign would overpower them. One question, does Batman have morals in this one?

 

You both raise good points for both sides of the argument. I'm glad this is relatively balanced.

[Guest sirmethos]

To clarify my position: I'm not, in any way, trying to argue that Batman definitely wins. Which some people seem to think is what I'm doing.

 

I'm merely pointing out, that Batman does have a chance of winning. Which is something that the people arguing for the Marvel team, seem completely unwilling to admit.