Marvel vs Saiyans

[C.T.]

Actually Tony's newest armor is cosmic level.

 

Also DBZ consistent? Like when Goku got hurt by a rock, huh?

[Guest MarvelFan15]

I found a scan where Galactus, Nova, Silver Surfer and Doctor Strange were all caught in a massive explosion and all "died." Save Strange.

 

Then Strange fought Death, won, and brought them all back to life.

 

Strange died in that blast, which was why he confronted Death to begin with. Galactus was the one that brought them back. Strange just peeved Death off long enough so that she thought it wasn't worth her time.

 

EDIT:

 

To Marvelfan 15

 

You bring up some good points. If Strange somehow knows beforehand what's gonna happen, he can react accordingly. But his precog ability is limited, he didn't know Banner would trick him and eventually squish his hands. It depends on who's writing the story, this aspect could be a factor, or not. That's the thing with precogs, they' don't always control their visions..

 

Strange had intentionally dropped his guard for Banner. He won't be caught with his pants down here.

[Guest Oltobaz]

You mean, the scene in which Krillin threw him a rock while he was asleep? Krillin, the strongest human in the whole Db universe. And, he was asleep. What's the problem? If it troubles you, kindly note this scene isn't part of the manga, it's just something they added in the Tv series. Had the rock been thrown by someone like Oolong, you migth have a point.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Also DBZ consistent? Like when Goku got hurt by a rock, huh?

I thought filler means nothing? If it did, then saiyans can breathe in space. Considering Vegeta was flying planet to planet searching for Goku. Oh and the whole Arlia thing.

[Guest Oltobaz]

As for Tony, last time I checked, he was being made fun of. By a talking racoon. Gotta hurt. In DBZ, talking critters know where they stand, as Yamcha sidekicks, that's where, lol

[C.T.]

Lol. Krillin is not the strongest human.

 

Uub, Tien and Yamcha are all more powerful.

 

That talking raccoon would kick Goku's ass.

 

Ah, I see. Fair enough then for Doc Strange. Filler counts for me in the anime canon, which is different from the manga canon.

[Guest Shoggoth breeder]

Uub>Tien>Krillin>Yamcha

 

[Guest Oltobaz]

Ok, you don't know much about DB, do you?

 

Yamcha is one of the weakest, he lost almost all his fights. Krillin is much better. In fact, Yamcha established himself Ktillin was the strongest human, during the Tenkaichi tournament during Buu saga.

 

I hate to be like that, but three eyed dudes aren't humans. They're aliens. Not too many people know this I guess, but Tien isn't human, his ancestors were alien, which explains some of his more unique techniques, like growing arms out of his back. He's sort of similar to Goku and Piccolo, though they eventually learn where they're from. He is better than Krillin, I'll give you that, but not human.

 

Uub is human, although linked to Buu. Let's just say he wasn't even alive in the Cell saga. At the time of Krillin throwing this rock - according to the show, not the manga - Uub wasn't even alive. He's certainly way more powerful than Krillin, even though we don't get to see him much, as he only appears in the last chapter. As for DB Gt, it doesn't even exist, as far as I'm concerned.

[C.T.]

Incorrect. I know a fair amount about DB.

 

Yamcha has shown to be the superior of Krillin late in DBZ.

 

Tien is not an alien, he got his third eye through intense meditation.

 

Doesn't matter when Uub came in, calling Krillin the strongest human in DBZ is dumb. He might have been at one point but certainly not in the end.

 

Sorry.

[Guest Oltobaz]

LOL, you're incorrect about Tien, I'd love to hear you about Yamcha being superior to Krillin, how's so? Explain that in details. As for Uub, he is the strongest human, thanks to Buu, but he wasn't a factor at the time. Up until he arrived in the very last chapter, Krillin was the strongest human, ever since the Saiyan saga. And, again, as far as Tien and Yamcha, you're sorely mistaken. Do some research!

[C.T.]

I have. You're the one who needs to do research.

 

When you do, hit me back and we can continue this conversation.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

I always enjoy "DBZ vs. [insert combatant here]" threads.

[corvette1710]

Oltobaz, your entire argument about the Saiyans being fast enough to keep up with the Marvel characters is based on a speculation about the laziness of the artist of the DBZ anime. (i.e., not drawing more lines around the planet to accentuate the "fact" [i use it loosely] that he's actually going a quarter of light speed).

 

That kind of makes it invalid.

[Guest Oltobaz]

You might fool people who don't know much about the series, but this is getting sad. I don't blame you as far as Tien, it's a common misconception, one you should let go though. But Yamcha, stronger than Krillin, due to something he might have done late in the series... Told you man, save me the effort, share your extended knowledge with us, don't be selfish like that.

[Guest Oltobaz]

Corvette: Huh?

[corvette1710]

I just told you what your argument was based on, and you don't recognize it. O.O

 

Even though speed wouldn't win them the battle (not by a long shot, as they're still far weaker than Thor or Sentry or Nova), your claim was blatantly false and I felt I had to point it out because you apparently weren't getting it.

[Guest Oltobaz]

You're assuming things about the artist, and are drawing your own conclusions from that. You're living in your own private little world. You just won another "Huh?". Congratulations!

[C.T.]

Yeah, you seem to be overstating their capabilities. BY A LOT.

 

You're not the first one to make that error though. Congratulations.

[Guest Oltobaz]

Nah, I'm not overstating anything. You're overstating Yamcha, that much is clear, still waiting to hear again from you on that.

[C.T.]

I'm waiting for you to research and get back to me.

 

If you knew anything about their capabilities instead of making up half assed reasons that discount when they're clearly not shown to be as fast, then you would know you are overstating them. By a lot. Seriously.

[Guest Oltobaz]

Get back to you? Yamcha is weaker than Krillin. Tien is from an alien race. Go ahead. Tear me apart, careful not to scratch yourself doing so, lol. While you're at it, go ahead and dust off the manga, maybe you'll understand where I'm coming from. You'll see Kame Sennin (that's Master Roshi for you) blowing up the Moon as an afterthought instantly in the very first chapters. You'll see characters growing stronger EXPONENTIONALLY in strength, durability, cough, SPEED, cough, etc and, maybe by the Cell games, maybe earlier, you'll find yourself wondering what Goku and co can do if Roshi is shown to be that powerful in the very first chapters. There's hope for you yet!

[C.T.]

Yeah they get stronger and faster and such. Still nowhere near speed of light though.

[xLEGACYx]

Lets set this straight here.

 

1) No DBZ character moves FTL. The Marvel ones can.

 

2) No DBZ character is as physically powerful as the Marvel ones.

 

4) Any ki attack can be matched (if not surpassed) by some Marvel characters in this fight.

 

3) Krillin (while non canon technically) was shown as much weaker than Tien or Yamcha in the DBZ: Bojack Unbound.

[Guest Oltobaz]

While Tien is shown as a good sparring partner for Trunks in this non canon movie, I do not recall Yamcha playing any significant part, though I haven't seen it in a while. Krillin is playing a bigger part however, due to this Zangya thing. Whatever Yamcha does in this movie, I know I'd remember it if he was portrayed as superior to Krillin, as it would be in sharp contrast to the actual series. Like I said, Tien isn't even human, ( as explained in the Daizenshu 7), he's certainly above Krillin though, no question.

 

As for your other claims, let's just say I disagree, which won't come as a surprise.

[xLEGACYx]

While Tien is shown as a good sparring partner for Trunks in this non canon movie, I do not recall Yamcha playing any significant part, though I haven't seen it in a while. Krillin is playing a bigger part however, due to this Zangya thing. Whatever Yamcha does in this movie, I know I'd remember it if he was portrayed as superior to Krillin, as it would be in sharp contrast to the actual series. Like I said, Tien isn't even human, ( as explained in the Daizenshu 7), he's certainly above Krillin though, no question.

 

As for your other claims, let's just say I disagree, which won't come as a surprise.

simply saying you disagree is all you can do. You have no proof to back up your claims.

 

Tien is and has always been human.

 

In the movie, Yamcha lasted longer against Bojack's cronies than Krillin could.