Guest skadoosh Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I was speaking generally, mostly because it's been a while since i last saw episodes of either show, especially the Justice League cartoon. Things like being KOed by depth charges are pretty low-end feats, but considering the higher-end feats of the animated Justice League, as suggested above, i think they are still, generally, as a team, overall superior in strength and speed than the animated Avengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Not really. Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Hawkgirl vs Thor, Hulk, Ms Marvel, Vision, Iron Man. These are counting all the ones with super strength of varying degrees. The Avengers have the advantage in overall strength and numbers. IMO:Superman vs Thor- More or less evenWonder Woman vs Ms Marvel- Carol has the advantageMartian Manhunter vs Vision- Vision has the advantage. J'onn's telepathy would be ineffective, both can phase effectively canceling that out, J'onn has a clear weakness of fire. Hawkgirl vs Iron Man- Stark is probably faster, has ranged attacks of varying intensity, he can handle this.Hulk vs Green Lantern- Hulk would probably smash.Batman vs Hawkeye, Cap America and Black Panther- Any one of these guys alone would be a good fight. All 3 at once? Poor Bruce. Of course, assuming that the fighters are matched up respectively...in an all out battle royal...well the Avengers have more fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Flash is faster than all the Avengers, and i mentioned both strength and speed, and Iron Man's strength and speed aren't really important factors unless he's wearing a special armor for the occasion. I'm sure that Superman is faster than most, if not all, of the Avengers, too, and i'm pretty sure Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter are similar enough to Superman in terms of strength and speed to make a big difference, not to mention their varying degrees of durability. Also, the Hulk is very stupid, and doesn't tend to use his vast strength in effective ways, beyond punching and sometimes throwing things, whereas all the Justice League members will be fighting smart, and the fight wouldn't come down to several one-on-ones, it would more likely be a speed-blitz-fest once both sides have tested the water. I think this fight is very even, but i also think the Justice League have a more noticeable edge than the Avengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLEGACYx Posted April 20, 2013 Author Share Posted April 20, 2013 Not really. Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Hawkgirl vs Thor, Hulk, Ms Marvel, Vision, Iron Man. These are counting all the ones with super strength of varying degrees. The Avengers have the advantage in overall strength and numbers. IMO:Superman vs Thor- More or less evenWonder Woman vs Ms Marvel- Carol has the advantageMartian Manhunter vs Vision- Vision has the advantage. J'onn's telepathy would be ineffective, both can phase effectively canceling that out, J'onn has a clear weakness of fire.Hawkgirl vs Iron Man- Stark is probably faster, has ranged attacks of varying intensity, he can handle this.Hulk vs Green Lantern- Hulk would probably smash.Batman vs Hawkeye, Cap America and Black Panther- Any one of these guys alone would be a good fight. All 3 at once? Poor Bruce. Of course, assuming that the fighters are matched up respectively...in an all out battle royal...well the Avengers have more fighters.You left Flash out of that line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 You left Flash out of that line up. That's what i said. Flash is a pretty big factor in this fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Ugh, dammit. Forgot Flash. Mh...throw in Hawkeye to take Iron Man's place vs Hawkgirl, while Iron Man goes for Flash. Considering how easy other foes have dealt with animated Flash by shooting in front of him, and considering Stark's advanced targeting system and Jarvis, he can take care of Flash pretty handily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 In terms of strength, considering what was both shown and said in both shows, I actually think the strength scale goes like this. Roughly speaking at least. Superman/Thor/Hulk are tied for first.Ms Marvel is second.Wonder Woman/Martian Manhunter at third.Iron Man places fourth. Hawkgirl fifth. This is just strength mind you. And only counting the Avengers listed, missing out on Pym and Wasp. Speed is harder to judge, at least for me because I suck at math. So yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 throw in Hawkeye to take Iron Man's place vs Hawkgirl Hawkgirl somewhat stomps..? Iron Man could probably take out Flash, as Flash doesn't go all out straight away. Nobody does. 'Cept Hulk, i guess. The second the Flash gets serious with his speed he could take out all the Avengers without superhuman durability in seconds. But he probably wont be doing that, at least not straight away. Superman/Thor/Hulk are tied for first.Ms Marvel is second.Wonder Woman/Martian Manhunter at third.Iron Man places fourth.Hawkgirl fifth. I agree with the top spot/s, but what puts Mrs Marvel above both Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter? I seem to remember them being roughly on a par with Superman in the show. Also, again, Iron Man's strength surely depends on the armor he's wearing, at least somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 How does Hawkgirl stomp? She's nothing Hawkeye can't at least keep at bay long enough for Cap and Panther to finish off Bats, then come assist him. Flash could do that, but he rarely gets serious like that and two, he would only put down 3 people, the only 3 without superhuman durability. If that's what you seem to remember then you should watch the show again. Superman could hang with opponents Wonder Woman couldn't, like Mongul in the episode For The Man Who Has Everything. And Word of God, aka the creators of the show, said J'onn's powers were decreased to make Superman seem more like the star, and given how Ms Marvel was handled in the show, I place her above both. And yes, it does, but his typical armor is still above Hawkgirl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLEGACYx Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share Posted April 21, 2013 As far as Wonder Woman goes, she showed she could hang with Supes in Paradise Lost. Granted Supes ended up being totally defensive in the end not to hurt Diana. For a majority of the fight, they thought they were facing some kind of monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Right, and then she ended up hurting her hand punching Mongul in the jaw, she said as much herself. And that episode was much later than Paradise Lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLEGACYx Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share Posted April 21, 2013 Right, and then she ended up hurting her hand punching Mongul in the jaw, she said as much herself. And that episode was much later than Paradise Lost.at the same time, that could just say something about Mongul's durability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Except Superman had no problems punching Mongul, unlike Diana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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