Guest skadoosh Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Luke Skywalker, from Episode VI vs Mace Windu, from Episode III They are fighting in the Jedi temple. They are both in character. They know only the basics about each other. They are both armed with their respective lightsabers and use off the Force. To win one must kill or KO the other. Opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Mace Windu utterly destroy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Mace Windu utterly destroy him. I doubt that, but what makes you think so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sincere Poet Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Mace Windu has had more training and experience than Luke, not only in light saber combat but in the use of the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Mace Windu has had more training and experience than Luke, not only in light saber combat but in the use of the force. This is Luke from Episode VI, so he's had plenty of experience and is a master of the Force at this point. Also, i believe he was considered the greatest Jedi of all, after the events of the films, so he's clearly very powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 At the end of Episode VI, Luke has had about 4 years of experience with the Force, with maybe... let's be generous and say a total of 6 months of training under experienced masters. He has also had a grand total of 3(?) lightsaber fights, any other lightsaber "experience" he has, comes from training with those little flying droids. Mace Windu at the time of his death has had about 40 years of experience with the Force, with about 15-20 years under experienced masters. He has also had, roughly, that same amount of experience with lightsaber combat, with weekly, if not daily, sparring matches with equals. Luke's only chance of winning, is blind luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Yeah I was never convinced film Luke had that much experience as a Jedi like some would like to have you believe. Also him being a Skywalker doesn't mean he can beat Mace which is another reason I have heard people say actually in discussions I have had elsewhere where people tried to convince me how highly skilled Luke is in Episode 6. I agree Mace would probably win easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kate Awesome Is Awesome Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 This is Luke from Episode VI, so he's had plenty of experience and is a master of the Force at this point. Also, i believe he was considered the greatest Jedi of all, after the events of the films, so he's clearly very powerful. If you're counting the feats Mace displays in either of the Clone Wars series (which actually pre date Episode 3) then this is a stomp. Mace was able to rip out the individual bolts and joints from a droid and have it collapse on itself. Luke can't even lift an X Wing out of a swamp. Even discounting the animated series Luke is all 'raw potential', he's hardly a "master" of the force and has had all but the most rudimentary of training from Obi Won and Yoda (hell the whole point of Empire is the fact that Luke opts to NOT finish his Jedi training in favor of saving his friends.) Mace is a Jedi high council member, been through numerous wars and existed in a time when the jedi were a powerful influence allowing them access to the best facilities and master available to him. Luke according to EU stuff gets stronger but as of Jedi? He's practically a Padwan compared to Mace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergy_Berg Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Even without counting the Clone Wars, I definitely go with Mace here. He's the only Jedi who could stand up to the emperor, who he had beat to the floor, a feat Yoda was unable to match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supes Rulez Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I'd have to say Windu. As much as I don't like him, he's had years more experience than Episode VI Luke. Now if this had been Grand Master Luke, he would have taken this handily, but at Episode VI level only unrestrained use of his raw power or, as sirmethos said, blind luck, could win this for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Maybe Windu vs Obi-Wan at his prime would have been better...the Offense Master vs the Defense Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leroypowell3 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 As already said, movie Luke doesn't have the experience to defeat Mace. Grand Master Luke would have this after a good long fight, but not movie Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest potterpuppetpals Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Mace pummeled an entire droid armada using only his fists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I'm glad people are thinking of feats outside of the films, but the focus is on what Mace did. What about the stuff Luke pulls off in some of the books and whatnot? From what i know, using Grandmaster Luke in this fight would have been a stomp in his favour, or near enough one, so i thought using him from Episode VI was more fair, as he's had less experience that Mace but has all the potential we see come through in the books. Also, Luke did blow up the Death Star and beat Darth Vader. He's far from useless here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 He's far from useless here. Yes. He is. Methos pretty much covered all the points, nothing I can add. Mace wins relatively easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Yes. He is. Methos pretty much covered all the points, nothing I can add. Mace wins relatively easily. No. He's not. He beat Darth Vader. He will give Mace a little fight at the very least. "Useless" implies he wouldn't even do that, but he has a lightsaber and use of the Force, so Mace will have a fight on his hands, no matter how short people think it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I'd have put money on Mace beating Vader even easier than Luke did. So yeah, Luke gets owned. Badly. It would be crazy to even call this a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 No. He's not. He beat Darth Vader. He will give Mace a little fight at the very least. "Useless" implies he wouldn't even do that, but he has a lightsaber and use of the Force, so Mace will have a fight on his hands, no matter how short people think it may be. As Nova said, Mace Windu wouldn't have a whole lot of trouble with Darth Vader at the stage Luke fought him at. Using that to state Luke would give Windu a fight is an utter lapse in logic. Allow me to clarify: Luke will give Windu about as much trouble as a redheaded stepchild would give his redheaded stepfather. I.E, he's useless. This is a very one-sided fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Luke has a lightsaber, and knows how to use it. He has also learnt the ways of the Force, from both Obi Wan and Yoda, if only briefly. This would be a fight. Mace is not going to one-hit-kill Luke. They would fight first, and then one of them would win. I am not disputing the fact that Mace would/could win this, i'm saying that it's not going to be over in one second, because Luke is far from useless, so it's far from not being a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Give a kid a lightsaber, put him in 2-3 duels, have him block energy bolts and teach him some basic Force techniques and suddenly he can challenge one of the greatest, most experienced Jedi masters around? Whatever you say. Yes, it would be a one-second, one-sided fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest potterpuppetpals Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Mace Windu is one of the best lightsaber duelists in the entire Jedi order, losing only to Darth Tyrannus and Yoda, as is my understanding. Yoda and Dooku only just beat him though, while they would easily crush Luke. I know ABC logic rarely works, but in this instance, it's pretty much given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Luke has a lightsaber, and knows how to use it. He has also learnt the ways of the Force, from both Obi Wan and Yoda, if only briefly. This would be a fight. Mace is not going to one-hit-kill Luke. They would fight first, and then one of them would win. I am not disputing the fact that Mace would/could win this, i'm saying that it's not going to be over in one second, because Luke is far from useless, so it's far from not being a fight.Let's break this down bit by bit. Your first point is not even worth mentioning, as it's a given every Jedi worth his salt knows that. "He learnt the ways of the Force from Obi-Wan and Yoda, briefly." Aye he did. As for Mace...he got oh, at least 20 times the training from Yoda, plus sparring with guys like Yoda, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Dooku etc, plus fighting in the frontlines of a war with plenty of deadly opponents, Dooku, Ventress, Grievous etc. He has 30-40 years of experience on Luke, a better style of lightsaber combat and more knowledge about the Force. Luke going up against those training droids is the same thing six year olds did in Mace's time. And then there's shatterpoint... So yeah, it would quite literally be over in no time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Luke would have no way to counter or deal with vaapad, and would get chopped to pieces. Add the fact that Windu has mastered all six other forms and his superior experience and Luke gets owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergy_Berg Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I'll give Luke the benefit of the doubt here, and say it would probably take close to 20, maybe even 30 seconds for Windu to take him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I'll give Luke the benefit of the doubt here, and say it would probably take close to 20, maybe even 30 seconds for Windu to take him out. A bit optimistic, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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