Luke Skywalker vs Mace Windu

[Bergy_Berg]

You're guys logic is flawed

 

 

Luke is more powerful in the force than anyone at his peak, more so than Yoda, more so than Qui. Etc. he is just not the most powerful to begin with.

 

Let me put it this way. Luke starts his own Jedi council that allows a more fluid way to practice the force and not so much the old ways.

He thinks outside the box and explores the taboo portions that were considered "bad"

 

The emperor was on to something when he said that to become complete you must master both sides. Luke has the dark side and mastered the bad parts thus gaining more power than just being the light side. Like is the Lebron James of Jesus while mace is the Kobe Bryant. Training at this point is moot as his power is beyond maces. So it looks like power is above skill at this point.

Mace could not defeat palps aid they went all out by the way

Let me put it this way: Luke is basically in Jedi middle school, while Mace has been in the NBA for ten years. Luke, after he sets up the new council and all that, probably wins. Luke in the movies gets trashed.

[Guest bigballerju]

Except for the fact it was clearly stated this is live action Luke from Episode 6 not EU Luke from afterwards. We have been talking about live action Luke. You know the one who struggled in Episode 5 to use the force to grab his lightsaber and had to focus.

[Dark Spider-man]

You're guys logic is flawed

 

 

Luke is more powerful in the force than anyone at his peak, more so than Yoda, more so than Qui. Etc. he is just not the most powerful to begin with.

 

Let me put it this way. Luke starts his own Jedi council that allows a more fluid way to practice the force and not so much the old ways.

He thinks outside the box and explores the taboo portions that were considered "bad"

 

The emperor was on to something when he said that to become complete you must master both sides. Luke has the dark side and mastered the bad parts thus gaining more power than just being the light side. Like is the Lebron James of Jesus while mace is the Kobe Bryant. Training at this point is moot as his power is beyond maces. So it looks like power is above skill at this point.

Mace could not defeat palps aid they went all out by the way

The setup says Luke Skywalker from Episode Six.  We all know that Luke after that would win against Mace.  We are only talking about Luke from Episode 6 vs Mace from Episode 3. 

[Guest bigballerju]

Yeah and someone already said SIdious would own Mace if he went full out with his force powers.

[Guest Darxeth]

Mace would win.

Although, maybe if George Lucas had had the technology he'd had to make EP 3 in 1977, Luke would probably appear WAY more impressive. And of course, if we used the comic versions of the characters in their prime, Luke would stomp.

 

But nonetheless, Mace wins easily.

 

Obi-wan could have defeated Mace in my opinion.

Obi-wan lived and died on his own terms, which cannot be said for Mace. Heh. (Although that is not the reason why I think Obi-wan would win)

[Dark Spider-man]

Mace would win.

Although, maybe if George Lucas had had the technology he'd had to make EP 3 in 1977, Luke would probably appear WAY more impressive. And of course, if we used the comic versions of the characters in their prime, Luke would stomp.

 

But nonetheless, Mace wins easily.

 

Obi-wan could have defeated Mace in my opinion.

Obi-wan lived and died on his own terms, which cannot be said for Mace. Heh. (Although that is not the reason why I think Obi-wan would win)

 

*Supports this*

[Guest Supes Rulez]

Well Mace actually pwned Darth Sidious.  If it wasn't for Anakin's a** showing up, there wouldn't have been no episode 4,5, and 6.  Mace stomps Luke, trust me I'm a big Luke fan myself but I know when he can't win.

 

He didn't PWN Sidious. He disarmed him, yes. But Sidious then saw Anakin arriving and feigned weakness to lure Anakin to the Dark Side. It's common knowledge that Sidious was more POWERFUL than Windu, even if Windu was a superior lightsaber duelist.

 

But yes. Episode VI Luke gets his butt handed to him on a silver platter, while Grand Master Luke stomps.

[Dark Spider-man]

He didn't PWN Sidious. He disarmed him, yes. But Sidious then saw Anakin arriving and feigned weakness to lure Anakin to the Dark Side. It's common knowledge that Sidious was more POWERFUL than Windu, even if Windu was a superior lightsaber duelist.

 

But yes. Episode VI Luke gets his butt handed to him on a silver platter, while Grand Master Luke stomps.

Lets not get to Anakin showing up yet.  Before Anakin showed up, Sidious was struggling to keep up with Windu you can see the anquish in his face.  Sidious might have been stronger(I didn't see it) but doesn't mean he'd win.  Windu is more aggressive version of Yoda, he hates killing but will do it without hesitation.  When he sensed Anakin coming he saw the opening.  What is with the CAPITALIZATION?  >_> everytime I see a word capitalized it worries me that someone is taking this too personally or is just annoyed.  If you are annoyed or anything we can just stop typing to eachother right now, like after I am done with this typing.

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

Luke in the movies suck, but that is due to the lack of technology

 

He basically got the basics from Yoda

 

That's like Phil Jackson coaching you so that counts for more than just "he received basics"

Plus Obi Wan at that point knew how to become the force, yet again more hints to Luke receiving training from someone stronger than mace already

 

Now you guys seem to be confusing Mace from the movies to Mace from the cartoons. In theorize all he did was fight Sidious. In the cartoon he crushed Grevious's chest in.

 

Going with that Mace is just all talk

Luke takes the emperors lighting in the movie and survives. Mace gets shot once and he dies

See my point. Look past the age difference in the movies and you will see thy Luke is like Bruce lee while mace is like Matt Hughes

 

Luke became a knight easily. Which means he excelled in the force far faster and with less training than Mace. So everything points to Luke being te better in the force. Mace relies on shatter points which Luke is powerful enough to sense all movements. I mean he single handily took out a Death Star, freed Han, saved the empire, started his own, etc

Luke in the movies suck, but that is due to the lack of technology

 

He basically got the basics from Yoda

 

That's like Phil Jackson coaching you so that counts for more than just "he received basics"

Plus Obi Wan at that point knew how to become the force, yet again more hints to Luke receiving training from swine stronger than mace already

 

Now you guys seem to be confusing Mace from the movies to Mace from the cartoons. In theorize all he did was fight Sidious. In the cartoon he crushed Grevious's chest in.

 

Going with that Mace is just all talk

Luke takes the emperors lighting in the movie and survives. Mace gets shot once and he dies

See my point. Look past the age difference in the movies and you will see thy Luke is like Bruce lee while mace is like Matt Hughes

 

Luke became a knight easily. Which means he excelled in the force far faster and with less training than Mace. So everything points to Luke being te better in the force. Mace relies on shatter points which Luke is powerful enough to sense all movements. I mean he single handily took out a Death Star, freed Han, saved the empire, started his own, etc

 

You all say that superman is more skilled than Golu since he received training from more skilled people

Well if you apply that Luke received training from people that are much more powerful than the ones who taught Mace during his years therefore he is more skilled right?

[Bergy_Berg]

Mace got tossed out a window man. He was alive when he got thrown out, probably just went splat on the ground. Luke was going to die from that lightning without Vader's intervention.

Fun side note, depending on how you look at it, Vader both saved and ended the emperor's life at different points.

Why does everything come down to Superman vs. Goku? Anyway, Luke was barely trained by Obi-Wan and Yoda, whereas Mace got the full Jedi training treatment with one of his masters being Yoda.

[Guest potterpuppetpals]

Luke in the movies suck, but that is due to the lack of technology

 

He basically got the basics from Yoda

 

That's like Phil Jackson coaching you so that counts for more than just "he received basics"

Plus Obi Wan at that point knew how to become the force, yet again more hints to Luke receiving training from swine stronger than mace already

 

Now you guys seem to be confusing Mace from the movies to Mace from the cartoons. In theorize all he did was fight Sidious. In the cartoon he crushed Grevious's chest in.

 

Going with that Mace is just all talk

Luke takes the emperors lighting in the movie and survives. Mace gets shot once and he dies

See my point. Look past the age difference in the movies and you will see thy Luke is like Bruce lee while mace is like Matt Hughes

 

Luke became a knight easily. Which means he excelled in the force far faster and with less training than Mace. So everything points to Luke being te better in the force. Mace relies on shatter points which Luke is powerful enough to sense all movements. I mean he single handily took out a Death Star, freed Han, saved the empire, started his own, etc

 

You all say that superman is more skilled than Golu since he received training from more skilled people

Well if you apply that Luke received training from people that are much more powerful than the ones who taught Mace during his years therefore he is more skilled right?

 

No. The cartoons are completely canon, so that counts as the stuff Mace has done. Seriously, have you read anything anyone has just said?

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

I have, but I think if Luke was created now it would show him being like that too

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

Mace got tossed out a window man. He was alive when he got thrown out, probably just went splat on the ground. Luke was going to die from that lightning without Vader's intervention.

Fun side note, depending on how you look at it, Vader both saved and ended the emperor's life at different points.

Why does everything come down to Superman vs. Goku? Anyway, Luke was barely trained by Obi-Wan and Yoda, whereas Mace got the full Jedi training treatment with one of his masters being Yoda.

 

The superman thing was just an analogy to how people use their logic

 

Training from someone that's a master( more powerful than that same person was when training Mace)

Counts for more than you say. Yoda trained him too, and he got the majority of his shit down. Luke chose to get killed as he refused to enter the dark side. Not because he couldn't kill him. The fact that he took the shock is more than Mace can say

 

Mace died from a fall he could have survived, and he got pushed back easily with a blast that Luke took like a champ

[Bergy_Berg]

The superman thing was just an analogy to how people use their logic

 

Training from someone that's a master( more powerful than that same person was when training Mace)

Counts for more than you say. Yoda trained him too, and he got the majority of his shit down. Luke chose to get killed as he refused to enter the dark side. Not because he couldn't kill him. The fact that he took the shock is more than Mace can say

 

Mace died from a fall he could have survived, and he got pushed back easily with a blast that Luke took like a champ

Luke did not take this like a champ. He was crying out in pain, and was on his way to death when Vader intervened.

[Guest potterpuppetpals]

I have, but I think if Luke was created now it would show him being like that too

 

What the hell are you talking about? (Trademark catchphrase of Triple P)

[C.T.]

Mace died from a combination of his hand getting chopped off, a blast of lightning from Sidious and falling for miles before hitting the ground with a splat.

[Guest Nihlium]

I think some people here haven't been following the conversation. The Luke in this match-up is episode 6 Luke. At that time he barely had any training or Jedi vs Jedi combat experience compared to Jedi like Mace, Yoda, Obi, Anakin, Ventress etc. His knowledge in the force was extremely limited and I doubt he even heard the word Shatterpoint. The fact that it took getting his hand chopped off, getting a full powered blast of lightning and falling several hundred if not thousand feet to the ground to kill him; should be enough to show how tough this guy is. 

 

The emperor was on to something when he said that to become complete you must master both sides. Luke has the dark side and mastered the bad parts thus gaining more power than just being the light side.

By this logic Revan is the most powerful Jedi/Sith in existence since he mastered both sides of the force and dabbled in everything between them.

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

Can I rephrase it??

Luke having no real training does change things but Luke being taught by an aged Yoda still proves that Luke learned all he needed. Why teach someone from the start when you can do a crash course? Luke in the movie proves he is a natural as he has done all his feats with little supervision or guidance. Luke to me is a natural Jedi being just in tuned with the force that enables him to perform just as good as all other Jedi. Obi Wan knew that and killed himself to show Luke that he has to be the one to finish Vader off. Yoda knew this when he taught Luke the concept of the force and told him "that is why you fail" because Luke already possessed all he needed minus the know how.

 

Luke discovers this as in the movie Vader comments to Luke "so you made a new light saber" indicating that he figured it out whereas no one showed him how. Luke training in the swamp shows he can do front flips, fight with a sword even though no one taught him that. In fact all Yoda did was teach him the force. Similar to Roshi teaching Goku about chi. It's the user that makes the fighter not the force itself

 

Palp knew that he was more powerful than Vader which is why he wanted Luke to kill Vader to complete his training. He did not do that to Mace when Anakin was there, he used Mace to set Ani up

[C.T.]

No Luke was not more powerful than Vader at that moment in time. Sidious wanted Luke to kill Vader because he had the potential to be better, just like Anakin did before he lost his legs, at which point his potential was reduced.

 

Same reason Sidious tried the same thing with Galen Marek. Their potential.

[Bergy_Berg]

Can I rephrase it??

Luke having no real training does change things but Luke being taught by an aged Yoda still proves that Luke learned all he needed. Why teach someone from the start when you can do a crash course? Luke in the movie proves he is a natural as he has done all his feats with little supervision or guidance. Luke to me is a natural Jedi being just in tuned with the force that enables him to perform just as good as all other Jedi. Obi Wan knew that and killed himself to show Luke that he has to be the one to finish Vader off. Yoda knew this when he taught Luke the concept of the force and told him "that is why you fail" because Luke already possessed all he needed minus the know how.

Do you remember that part where Luke got hit by the force lightning and had no defense against it? He obviously doesn't have all the knowledge of a fully trained Jedi. We see Mace and Yoda block lightning, so it's a thing a jedi master can certainly do.

[Guest Nihlium]

Luke was in no way stronger than Vader at the end of eps 6. In fact, if Anakin had managed to defeat Obi-Wan and keep his limbs I doubt Luke could defeat him. Many of the things Luke was taught were things all jedi are taught at sometime in their training. The "that is why you fail" speech is something all young jedi have heard in one way or form. Constructing a lightsabre isn't that impressive considering there are many non-jedi/sith who have done the same with no help. Luke is an impressive jedi but at the end of eps 6 he was nothing special.

[Dark Spider-man]

Luke did not take this like a champ. He was crying out in pain, and was on his way to death when Vader intervened.

What an amazing scene.  I really wanna watch some Star Wars now.  Lol.

[Guest Supes Rulez]

Lets not get to Anakin showing up yet.  Before Anakin showed up, Sidious was struggling to keep up with Windu you can see the anquish in his face.  Sidious might have been stronger(I didn't see it) but doesn't mean he'd win.  Windu is more aggressive version of Yoda, he hates killing but will do it without hesitation.  When he sensed Anakin coming he saw the opening.  What is with the CAPITALIZATION?  >_> everytime I see a word capitalized it worries me that someone is taking this too personally or is just annoyed.  If you are annoyed or anything we can just stop typing to eachother right now, like after I am done with this typing.

 

Sorry, I wasn't annoyed. I was trying to go for emphasis, but I guess

 

 

that went right out the window 

[Guest bigballerju]

Luke was a Jedi Knight. Clearly he had a lot more training to do since he wasn't a Jedi Master.