Commander Shepard vs Darth Vader

[Guest thanosisawesome]

This fight takes place on the Normandy. Vader boarded the ship, and all stormtroopers and Alliance crew have been killed. Shepard, Garrus, and Wrex are hiding in the cargo hold. Can they kill Vader? And EDI is offline.

 

EDIT: Oh yeah, soldier Shepard.

[Guest force_echo]

Yes.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

How?

[Guest bigballerju]

Hmm hard choice here. If they plan their assault correctly with their skill, weapons, and abilities they could pull it off. However if they get too close to Vader with what we have seen of Vader in the comics he would destroy them.

[Guest Ruinus]

Remember when Beneziah froze your team on Noveria and called in Asari shock troops and you could do nothing about it? It's like that, except Vader will use that opportunity to kill them.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Remember when Beneziah froze your team on Noveria and called in Asari shock troops and you could do nothing about it? It's like that, except Vader will use that opportunity to kill them.

 

I would call that gameplay mechanics. And Wrex could probably somewhat counter the force using his biotics.

[Guest Ruinus]

I would call that gameplay mechanics. And Wrex could probably somewhat counter the force using his biotics.

It occurs in a cutscene. She waves her hand, freezes Shepard in a biotic field, and calls in some Asari commandos. And yes, Wrex would be the hardest to kill due to all the redundant organs in a Krogan's body, but Wrex can't spam his biotics like Vader can spam his abilities.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

It occurs in a cutscene. She waves her hand, freezes Shepard in a biotic field, and calls in some Asari commandos. And yes, Wrex would be the hardest to kill due to all the redundant organs in a Krogan's body, but Wrex can't spam his biotics like Vader can spam his abilities.

 

I think that a Krogan Battlemaster alone would be a match for Vader. Throw in Shepard and Garrus and I think he wins.

[Dark Spider-man]

Hmmmm, I might give a slight edge to Vader.  The Force is far different than biotics.  I think that only thing that have in common is they can levitate stuff.  I can't see how biotics can counter The Force especially with someone as skilled as Vader in The Force. 

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Not necessarily counter Vader. But why couldn't Wrex pick up Vader, and Shepard and Garrus blow him away?

[Guest Ruinus]

Not necessarily counter Vader. But why couldn't Wrex pick up Vader, and Shepard and Garrus blow him away?

Because Wrex would never get within range to lift up Vader, or if Wrex somehow lifted Vader via Biotics Vader can easily levitate all three of the opponents away?

 

Because, unlike Biotics, Vader has enough control to be able to wrench the guns away from their hands, lift them in the air and keep them there as long as he wants or simply crush their windpipes with enough force that you can hear it across a room?

 

[Guest force_echo]

If we're assuming Wrex gets first chance, then he's probably going to blow Vaders socks off with a claymore or hit him with a warp, not try to lift him.

[kainboa]

Movie Vader gets ripped apart like a wet tissue paper.

EU Vader rips through the ME team like wet tissue paper.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

I think that three highly trained soldiers stand a chance. In their own ship, they know the environment an can ambush him. Weaponry in Mass effect generally fires a projectile the size of a sand grain. What will Vader do if he has hundreds of sand grains flying at his face? I think that if he has three of the most highly trained individuals in the Milky Way shooting at him, he'll by no means have an easy time.

[Guest Ruinus]

I think that three highly trained soldiers stand a chance. In their own ship, they know the environment an can ambush him. Weaponry in Mass effect generally fires a projectile the size of a sand grain. What will Vader do if he has hundreds of sand grains flying at his face? I think that if he has three of the most highly trained individuals in the Milky Way shooting at him, he'll by no means have an easy time.

Again, what happens is that he throws their guns out of their hands before they get to fire at him, being able to see the future is nifty like that. He can also just suspend all of them in the air, kill Shepard and Garrus instantly, and cleave Wrex apart with his saber.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Shepard has adrenaline rush, so he would be able to get shots off. Garrus and Shepard have shields. Vader could easily collapse them, but they would be a temporary distraction while hundreds of killshots he size of sand grains fly at him, and as Wrex uses warp. And the primary defenses against warp are shields and barriers, so in theory warp would be an insta kill. And since Wrex doesn't need weapons to do so, why wouldn't Vader be killed by warp?

[Guest Ruinus]

Shepard has adrenaline rush, so he would be able to get shots off. Garrus and Shepard have shields. Vader could easily collapse them, but they would be a temporary distraction while hundreds of killshots he size of sand grains fly at him, and as Wrex uses warp. And the primary defenses against warp are shields and barriers, so in theory warp would be an insta kill. And since Wrex doesn't need weapons to do so, why wouldn't Vader be killed by warp?

Shields don't block Force abilities nor lightsabers (energy weapons completely bypass mass effect barriers due to having no mass to block), hell, Vader doesn't even need to be in the same room as Shepard and Co to kill them, he could easily do so from anywhere on the ship via Force Choke (similar to him killing Admiral Ozzel through a camera). Also, Wrex never shows the proclivity to use Warp first, (in fact in all the cutscenes his response is to shoot things, not throw powers around). And again, if Vader doesn't want to be shot by Shepard or Garrus or Wrex he won't, he can toss them around, take away their guns, turn them around, to just levitate them and crush them as soon as he sees them.

[Skirmisher]

The Force >>> Biotics

 

I've debated enough star wars to know that even with numbers, skill and homefield advantage Shepard and crew are going to be KIA with fairly little resistnace.

 

For one thing, Vader with a push easily deflects their weapons. The thing about extremly small mass projectiles, is that while they can be accelerated quickly, they also decelerate quickly under conventional resistance... that's why even the sniper rifle only has a range of a few hundred meters...

 

Next there is litterally no defense Shepards crew has against the force. Biotics works on manipulation of element zero via the mind and amps. The Force is a manipulation of pretty much everything the user can think of. Presumably Vader could theroretically manipulate their powers as they use them.

 

Then you have Vaders Precognition, with that, essentially there is no homefield advantage, or an advantage due to their unfamiliar weapons (which I'm sure seeing as how there was already a battle with stormtroopers and such that he'd already have been briefed on their weapons) He would know where they would by hiding, and when they would initiate their attempted ambush of him. And with a wave, their weapons are either destroyed, ripped out of their hands, or if they get to fire, the rounds would be scattered into the hull and do nothing... And THEN their weapons would be gone.

 

Then they'd have to enter into unarmed combat against Vader... if they even get that far. As Vader would no doubt kill one or two of them before they even get to him, via a force crush or push with enough pressure to crumple them agaisnt a bulkhead or something.

 

However, you could make the arguement that Wrex distracts him with some Biotic powers... presumably Wrex would be the first to die then, or at least be wounded out of the "first round" of combat. Lets assume that Shepard and Garrus then get into close combat with Vader.

 

Vader then cleaves them apart with his lightsaber. As ME shields don't block directed energy weapons. Limbs will fly, and then if wrex survives the push from earler he dies at this point..

 

That is unless Vader wants some captives to interogate... Then it's a whole nother game, but Vader still wins though.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

I guess I didn't realize how much of a beast EU Vader is. So are his fights with Boba Fett huge PIS?

[Skirmisher]

I guess I didn't realize how much of a beast EU Vader is. So are his fights with Boba Fett huge PIS?

Technically the EU is all PIS... seeing as how Force users could easily be gods amoung men, but aren't...

[Guest Ruinus]

I guess I didn't realize how much of a beast EU Vader is. So are his fights with Boba Fett huge PIS?

There are only two times he fights Boba Fett, and one of those fights is non-canon.

 

Boba Fett: Enemy of the Empire No. 4 is the only canon fight, and in it Vader is only chasing Boba to retrieve an item he is carrying (a severed head). Boba, despite blowing up a bridge, throwing smoke grenades, having a lead on his escape over Vader, shooting Vader several times (once in the face) and shooting missiles at Vader only survives because Vader wasn't there to kill him.

 

This is what happens when Vader stops dicking around.

 

 

 

 

Again, Boba only survives because Vader was after that box, not there to kill him.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

There are only two times he fights Boba Fett, and one of those fights is non-canon.

 

Boba Fett: Enemy of the Empire No. 4 is the only canon fight, and in it Vader is only chasing Boba to retrieve an item he is carrying (a severed head). Boba, despite blowing up a bridge, throwing smoke grenades, having a lead on his escape over Vader, shooting Vader several times (once in the face) and shooting missiles at Vader only survives because Vader wasn't there to kill him.

 

This is what happens when Vader stops dicking around.

 

 

 

 

Again, Boba only survives because Vader was after that box, not there to kill him.

 

In the fight it looks like Boba could kill Vader. Vader even says so, but Boba hesitates.

[Guest Ruinus]

In the fight it looks like Boba could kill Vader. Vader even says so, but Boba hesitates.

No it doesn't, where?

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Second scan. He didn't take the shot as fast as he could have, which gave Vader time to clear his head.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Boba is standing over Vader about to blow his brains out, but Vader states that he let him recover.