Commander Shepard vs Darth Vader

[Guest Ruinus]

I'm having trouble believing you guys. Boba had just shot Vader in the face and all that did is knock him down and you guys think he could have killed him?

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Yes. If two shots knocked him over a full spray to the chest/face would've ended him.

[Guest Ruinus]

Yes. If two shots knocked him over a full spray to the chest/face would've ended him.

One shot knocked him over, to the face, and it didn't even damage his helmet. And again, he easily disarmed Boba when he wanted to.

 

 

That's Vader deflecting several shots at him.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

I know Vader would murder Fett in a straight fight, but Fett had the drop on him there. Regular blasters have had a worse effect on Vader in the past so that was an inconsistency.

[Guest bigballerju]

Vader obviously held back. Notice when Fett attacked first Vader didn't do anything. Darth Vader even said it could never have been a fair fight. You have to read the text too. Hell Boba Fett's blaster shot didn't even do anything to Vader. Actually regular blasters have been shown more then once to not hurt Vader as well.

 

Some scans of Vader in EU:

 

 

 

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Would you listen to what I'm saying? I know Vader would kill Fett easily if he wanted to, but because he didn't try to in that instance Fett got the drop on him and could have at least severely injured him there.

[Guest Ruinus]

I know Vader would murder Fett in a straight fight, but Fett had the drop on him there. Regular blasters have had a worse effect on Vader in the past so that was an inconsistency.

 

No, he didn't. You have an advantage over someone if they are in a position of lesser power. If I had a gun trained on you, I'd have the advantage. However, if I had a gun trained on you and you had the ability to see the future (and hence, could act before I ever thought of pulling the trigger) and you could easily disarm me at any moment with magic powers and crush with with said powers, I don't have an advantage over you, I am at a disadvantage.

[Indolent]

Yet he said he had/needed a few moments to recover his wits after being shot and knocked down - it's this moment that AvP is referring to that Boba had the advantage, however brief it may have been.

 

This should be clearer now.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

So is this a Shepard vs Vader thread or a Boba Fett vs Vader thread?

[Guest Ruinus]

Yet he said he had/needed a few moments to recover his wits after being shot and knocked down - it's this moment that AvP is referring to that Boba had the advantage, however brief it may have been.

 

This should be clearer now.

He still didn't have an advantage though. Consider, Vader said that he cleared his mind, that meant that he had been chasing Boba with his thoughts jumbled up (Maybe he really really pissed that he had to chase the guy?).

This means that Vader, with a confused mind, was handily kicking Boba's ass.

When Boba shot him and gave Vader a small chance to clear his mind, he easily ended the fight.

Boba never had an advantage, even after he had shot Vader in the head and knocked him down, because he has absolutely no counter to Force abilities.

[Indolent]

No, he did have the advantage. It was just really brief and Boba wasted it - even Vader admits this as being Boba's mistake.

 

It's not really that difficult to compromise and admit that, in that brief span of time, that Boba did indeed have the advantage over Vader but completely wasted it?

 

Edit: And I believe he got jumbled up when he took a blaster bolt to the face. >.> Which brings me back to the prior two sentences.

 

Edit Edit: Also look at where Vader says Fett managed to bettered him. Very few have done that - that also implies an advantage, though again I stress it was brief.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

...you're completely misinterpreting the context of the scans. Vader was knocked on his ass by the blaster bolt, and he stated that Boba had gotten the better of him and that he needed time for his head to clear after the blast. For that briefest of moments, Fett had him at his mercy, and could have ended it but didn't. The precognition and ability to stop him with the Force is moot because he was still reeling from the effects of the blaster. It's more like Fett having his gun trained on a grounded, dazed man with a hell of a headache. Yes, for that brief second, Fett had the clear advantage - again, Vader said so himself.

 

And @Hayes, we're not discussing who would beat who - this still pertains to the topic at hand. Boba Fett was brought up because it was believed that Shepard could potentially replicate his "success" in his fights against Vader.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

 

 

And @Hayes, we're not discussing who would beat who - this still pertains to the topic at hand. Boba Fett was brought up because it was believed that Shepard could potentially replicate his "success" in his fights against Vader.

Yeah, I know, I was being cheeky.  But I have seen many threads become a whole new one because of discrepancies, and never return back to the original topic.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Cheeky mother*vulgarity*er.

[Guest force_echo]

Shields don't block Force abilities nor lightsabers (energy weapons completely bypass mass effect barriers due to having no mass to block), hell, Vader doesn't even need to be in the same room as Shepard and Co to kill them, he could easily do so from anywhere on the ship via Force Choke (similar to him killing Admiral Ozzel through a camera). Also, Wrex never shows the proclivity to use Warp first, (in fact in all the cutscenes his response is to shoot things, not throw powers around). And again, if Vader doesn't want to be shot by Shepard or Garrus or Wrex he won't, he can toss them around, take away their guns, turn them around, to just levitate them and crush them as soon as he sees them.

 

Lightsabers don't have mass? Since when? And I'm pretty sure Wrex would be able to hold on to his weapon if Vader used force push. If he's able to before the others shoot him. I mean seriously, they have the element of surprise here. They can vent Vader out of an airlock or attack through vents or anything they want really. Sure, Vader's precog messes things up, but it isn't invincible, and can be overwhelmed. Shepherd is tactically adept, he can use distractions and the like. There are three of them after all, divide and split his defenses. Vader can throw them around as soon as he sees them, and the crew can shoot him as soon as they see him. And almost no one uses powers in a combat capacity in cutscenes unless they are demonstrating something specific or they don't have weapons. They usually fire suppressive fire while something else is happening. Wrex can definitely use Warp first, that's when you use it. A Krogan warlord isn't an idiot, warp is useless after shooting someone first.

 

Vader isn't going to sense anything, Shep and crew don't have a midi-cholorian to split among all 3.

[Guest force_echo]

The Force >>> Biotics

 

I've debated enough star wars to know that even with numbers, skill and homefield advantage Shepard and crew are going to be KIA with fairly little resistnace.

 

For one thing, Vader with a push easily deflects their weapons. The thing about extremly small mass projectiles, is that while they can be accelerated quickly, they also decelerate quickly under conventional resistance... that's why even the sniper rifle only has a range of a few hundred meters...

 

Next there is litterally no defense Shepards crew has against the force. Biotics works on manipulation of element zero via the mind and amps. The Force is a manipulation of pretty much everything the user can think of. Presumably Vader could theroretically manipulate their powers as they use them.

 

Then you have Vaders Precognition, with that, essentially there is no homefield advantage, or an advantage due to their unfamiliar weapons (which I'm sure seeing as how there was already a battle with stormtroopers and such that he'd already have been briefed on their weapons) He would know where they would by hiding, and when they would initiate their attempted ambush of him. And with a wave, their weapons are either destroyed, ripped out of their hands, or if they get to fire, the rounds would be scattered into the hull and do nothing... And THEN their weapons would be gone.

 

Then they'd have to enter into unarmed combat against Vader... if they even get that far. As Vader would no doubt kill one or two of them before they even get to him, via a force crush or push with enough pressure to crumple them agaisnt a bulkhead or something.

 

However, you could make the arguement that Wrex distracts him with some Biotic powers... presumably Wrex would be the first to die then, or at least be wounded out of the "first round" of combat. Lets assume that Shepard and Garrus then get into close combat with Vader.

 

Vader then cleaves them apart with his lightsaber. As ME shields don't block directed energy weapons. Limbs will fly, and then if wrex survives the push from earler he dies at this point..

 

That is unless Vader wants some captives to interogate... Then it's a whole nother game, but Vader still wins though.

 

Really, is that why a quarian with no sniper experience whatsoever was able to snipe a target over 2 miles in the second book? 

 

Theoretically nothing. What in the hell are you talking about? You have absolutely no proof whatsoever, not even an inkling, that Vader would be able to somehow control element zero deposits in a human body when he doesn't even know anything about biotics, or element zero.

 

I don't think Vader can casually scatter bullets with more KE than anything in the Star Wars Universe. Besides, how do you know they're using those weapons? They could be using Quarian electrical weaponry, and we all know how amazingly durable Vader's suit is to electrical weapons. Also, if you shoot three ways at once, precog isn't going to help you. Knowing when the bullet hits doesn't help when you still don't have the reflexes, and even if you did, you can't be in multiple places at once.

 

Not really. No, even if they get disarmed, Wrex can use warp, and the others can, you know, draw more weapons. Also, this is their ship, Vader isn't going to get a drop on them with a disarm, they're going to get a drop on Vader with a hail of bullets.

[Guest force_echo]

There are only two times he fights Boba Fett, and one of those fights is non-canon.

 

Boba Fett: Enemy of the Empire No. 4 is the only canon fight, and in it Vader is only chasing Boba to retrieve an item he is carrying (a severed head). Boba, despite blowing up a bridge, throwing smoke grenades, having a lead on his escape over Vader, shooting Vader several times (once in the face) and shooting missiles at Vader only survives because Vader wasn't there to kill him.

 

This is what happens when Vader stops dicking around.

 

Again, Boba only survives because Vader was after that box, not there to kill him.

 

The difference is, when he gets shot in the head by Shepherd, he dies.

[Guest force_echo]

He still didn't have an advantage though. Consider, Vader said that he cleared his mind, that meant that he had been chasing Boba with his thoughts jumbled up (Maybe he really really pissed that he had to chase the guy?).

This means that Vader, with a confused mind, was handily kicking Boba's ass.

When Boba shot him and gave Vader a small chance to clear his mind, he easily ended the fight.

Boba never had an advantage, even after he had shot Vader in the head and knocked him down, because he has absolutely no counter to Force abilities.

 

What? I'm pretty sure he was referring to the jumbled mind he got when he got shot in the freaking head.

[Guest Ruinus]

Lightsabers don't have mass? Since when?

They do have mass, I was talking about energy weapons. the barriers wouldn't block any of the lightsaber's heat, nor would they block the saber itself since they activate against objects traveling at high speeds (bullets).

And I'm pretty sure Wrex would be able to hold on to his weapon if Vader used force push. If he's able to before the others shoot him. I mean seriously, they have the element of surprise here. They can vent Vader out of an airlock or attack through vents or anything they want really.

If Wrex can hold on to his gun then Vader just turns him around and holds him there, facing the wrong way. And EDI was able to vent the ship, but EDI is offline in this fight. Shepard and his friends are in the cargohold, and it would depend on where this "vent ship option" is and on what floor (if it even exists at all). And if you think they are going to be shooting at Vader through vents then you should probably point out these vents.

Sure, Vader's precog messes things up, but it isn't invincible, and can be overwhelmed. Shepherd is tactically adept, he can use distractions and the like. There are three of them after all, divide and split his defenses. Vader can throw them around as soon as he sees them, and the crew can shoot him as soon as they see him.

Except Vader has the advantage of not needing to see them, he can sense their presence from another room, or even throughout the ship if he wanted to.

And almost no one uses powers in a combat capacity in cutscenes unless they are demonstrating something specific or they don't have weapons. They usually fire suppressive fire while something else is happening. Wrex can definitely use Warp first, that's when you use it. A Krogan warlord isn't an idiot, warp is useless after shooting someone first.

Except Wrex's first plan always involves shooting things first, he'd have no reason to assume that he should suddenly use his Warp ability on some random guy when he's already got a gun in hand and people die from bullets.

 

Vader isn't going to sense anything, Shep and crew don't have a midi-cholorian to split among all 3.

Being able to sense something isn't based on their midichlorians, something shown by the fact that Jedi can predict the movements of droids.

[Skirmisher]

Lightsabers don't have mass? Since when?

Since they're made of focused plasma held in a looping magnetic field. The beam might have some mass, but on a scale that would make it effortlessly pass though shields without much problem. I would assume it would be akin to cutting through wet paper with a katana.

 

 

And I'm pretty sure Wrex would be able to hold on to his weapon if Vader used force push. If he's able to before the others shoot him. I mean seriously, they have the element of surprise here.

Wrong, Precognition

 

Even if it's not EU levels it's still enough to easily alert Vader to the threat of danger, it's direction, and the action he needs to take to avoid that danger.

 

 

They can vent Vader out of an airlock

This is just an guess, but fairly valid here. I would assume that the situation that would allow the Normandy to be boarded would be one like in Ep4 with the Tantive IV. I would safely assume that the Normandy is inside the main vental hanger bay of a Star Destroyer or Super Star Destroyer. And that venting Vader out would only really plop him into the Hangerbay...

 

As well, they would need to have some control of the ship to vent him into the hanger bay, since EDI is shut down, they would have to manually open the doors... Which would leave them out in the open to be attacked, and vented as well into the hanger deck...

 

 

Sure, Vader's precog messes things up, but it isn't invincible, and can be overwhelmed. Shepherd is tactically adept, he can use distractions and the like. There are three of them after all, divide and split his defenses. Vader can throw them around as soon as he sees them, and the crew can shoot him as soon as they see him.

Fact is, even if they shot off the bat, Vader would still block their shots with a wave of force. That would disperse their volley of fire and knock them around or down. Vader then takes on the most stable (wrex) of the trio, and probably squish his brain with a force crush to knock him out instantly.

 

by then Shep and Garrus are probably up and firing again, sliding out to either side to try and flank Vader. Another force explosion (like seen in SW:FU) knocks their sand away, while they too are knocked down again. Vader would have gotten close to one of them, and as they get up (let's say Garrus) he slashes the Turian in half with a clean swipe.

 

This leaves only Shep alive, and Vaders full concentration is on him. Which means, he has no hope in hell of surviving, unless Vader wants to ask questions... and that only buys him some time...

 

 

 

Vader isn't going to sense anything, Shep and crew don't have a midi-cholorian to split among all 3.

Except, that Midicholorians only allows a person access to the force, it doesn't make the force.

[Skirmisher]

Damnit Ruinus... you beat me to it...

 

Edit: Oh, I see I was a full day late... meh, whatever.

[Guest force_echo]

They do have mass, I was talking about energy weapons. the barriers wouldn't block any of the lightsaber's heat, nor would they block the saber itself since they activate against objects traveling at high speeds (bullets).If Wrex can hold on to his gun then Vader just turns him around and holds him there, facing the wrong way. And EDI was able to vent the ship, but EDI is offline in this fight. Shepard and his friends are in the cargohold, and it would depend on where this "vent ship option" is and on what floor (if it even exists at all). And if you think they are going to be shooting at Vader through vents then you should probably point out these vents.Except Vader has the advantage of not needing to see them, he can sense their presence from another room, or even throughout the ship if he wanted to.Except Wrex's first plan always involves shooting things first, he'd have no reason to assume that he should suddenly use his Warp ability on some random guy when he's already got a gun in hand and people die from bullets.

 Being able to sense something isn't based on their midichlorians, something shown by the fact that Jedi can predict the movements of droids.

And Wrex can shoot Vader before he tries to turn him around after the force push.

 

Didn't see that EDI was offline. They can still vent manually. As shown in the Citadel DLC in ME3 they are above and below the rooms in the ships, so they can shoot out of floor panels or from above.

 

Except he can't. He might be able to sense a droid's movements in the sense that he has precognition for all physical things, but he can't sense the droid's presence unless it's a force sensitive droid, which is what I meant.

 

You can't say Wrex always shoots first because you saw it in a few cutscenes that weren't even squadmate specific (anyone could have been in that spot and done the same scripted action), if anything, that's why they don't use biotics, because someone could be in that spot who doesn't use biotics.

[Guest force_echo]

 

Since they're made of focused plasma held in a looping magnetic field. The beam might have some mass, but on a scale that would make it effortlessly pass though shields without much problem. I would assume it would be akin to cutting through wet paper with a katana.

 

 

 

 

 

Wrong, Precognition

 

 

 

Even if it's not EU levels it's still enough to easily alert Vader to the threat of danger, it's direction, and the action he needs to take to avoid that danger.

 

 

 

 

 

This is just an guess, but fairly valid here. I would assume that the situation that would allow the Normandy to be boarded would be one like in Ep4 with the Tantive IV. I would safely assume that the Normandy is inside the main vental hanger bay of a Star Destroyer or Super Star Destroyer. And that venting Vader out would only really plop him into the Hangerbay...

 

 

 

As well, they would need to have some control of the ship to vent him into the hanger bay, since EDI is shut down, they would have to manually open the doors... Which would leave them out in the open to be attacked, and vented as well into the hanger deck...

 

 

 

 

 

Fact is, even if they shot off the bat, Vader would still block their shots with a wave of force. That would disperse their volley of fire and knock them around or down. Vader then takes on the most stable (wrex) of the trio, and probably squish his brain with a force crush to knock him out instantly.

 

 

 

by then Shep and Garrus are probably up and firing again, sliding out to either side to try and flank Vader. Another force explosion (like seen in SW:FU) knocks their sand away, while they too are knocked down again. Vader would have gotten close to one of them, and as they get up (let's say Garrus) he slashes the Turian in half with a clean swipe.

 

 

 

This leaves only Shep alive, and Vaders full concentration is on him. Which means, he has no hope in hell of surviving, unless Vader wants to ask questions... and that only buys him some time...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Except, that Midicholorians only allows a person access to the force, it doesn't make the force.

 

I know what precognition does. Even if it alerts of all that, it can still be overwhelmed, precognition doesn't mean you can be in multiple places at once. Also, even if you knew when a person will fire a bullet and where it will hit, you still can't dodge one. 

 

 

 

It never says that the ship is docked inside another ship, and no, they wouldn't also be vented, because they have magnetic feet and are prepared for the action, as demonstrated by Commander Shepard in ME2.

 

 

He wouldn't block anything, he doesn't have the reflexes to block bullets midair, and you don't know if he has the ability either even if he could, this is something you're assuming. Also, if Shepard and Garrus "get back up and start firing", Vader's already dead, so by your own account, the trio wins.

 

 

That's not true at all, midichlorians connect people to the force, jedi can't sense people without midichlorians.

[Guest Ruinus]

And Wrex can shoot Vader before he tries to turn him around after the force push.

Again, Vader has the luxury of being able to see the future, he can act before Wrex can.

 

Didn't see that EDI was offline. They can still vent manually. As shown in the Citadel DLC in ME3 they are above and below the rooms in the ships, so they can shoot out of floor panels or from above.

Ok, without pictures I'd have to ask what range of fire you expect these guys to reasonably have through these vents.

Except he can't. He might be able to sense a droid's movements in the sense that he has precognition for all physical things, but he can't sense the droid's presence unless it's a force sensitive droid, which is what I meant.

That's still not how it works. Just because things don't have midichlorians doesn't mean they can't have their minds read.

 

Revenge of the Sith novelization:

The part of him that calls itself Obi-Wan Kenobi is no more than a ripple, an eddy in the pool into which he endlessly pours.

 

There are other parts of him here, as well; there is nothing here that is not a part of him, from the scuff mark on R2-D2's dome to the tattered hem of Palaptine's robe, from the spidering in one transparisteel panel of the curving view wall above to the great starships that still battle beyond it.

Because this is all part of the Force.

 

Somehow, mysteriously, the cloud that has darkened the Force for near a decade and a half has lightened around him now, and he finds within himself the limpid clarity he recalls from his schooldays at the Jedi Temple, when the Force was pure, and clean, and perfect. It is as though the darkness has withdrawn, has coiled back upon itself, to allow him this moment of clarity, to return him to the full power of the light, if only for the moment; he does not know why, but he is incapable of even wondering. In the Force, he is beyond questions.

 

Why is meaningless; it is an echo of the past, or a whisper from the future. All that matters, for this infinite now, is what, and where, and who.

 

He is all sixteen of the super battle droids, gleaming in laser-reflective chrome, arms loaded with heavy blasters. He is those blasters and he is their targets. He is all eight destroyer droids waiting with electronic patience within their energy shields, and both bodyguards, and every single one of the shivering Neimoidians. He is their clothes, their boots, even each drop of reptile-scented moisture that rolls off them from the misting sprays they use to keep their internal temperatures down. He is the binders that cuff his hands, and he is the electrostaff in the hands of the bodyguards at his back.

 

He is both of the lightsabers that the other droid bodyguard marches forward to off to General Grievous.

 

And he is the general himself.

 

He is the general's duranium ribs. He is the beating of Grievous' alien heart, and is the silent pulse of oxygen pumped through his alien veins. He is the weight of four lightsabers at the general's belt, and is the greedy anticipation the captured weapons sparked behind the general's eyes. He is even the plan for his own execution simmering within the general's brain.

 

He is all these things, but most importantly, he is still Obi-Wan Kenobi.

 

This is why he can simply stand. Why he can simply wait. He has no need to attack, or to defend. There will be battle here, but he is perfectly at ease, perfectly content to let the battle start when it will start, and let it end when it will end.

 

Coruscant Nights II:

But even as he wondered at their naivete, another object hurtled at him. The pattern of ripples it made in the force told him it was a ntoher small round object, most likely another grenade- and this one, he sensed, was impact sensitive.

 

So yeah, Jedi can sense objects in the Force, a lack of midichlorians isn't going to help Shepard and co at all.

 

Even if it did somehow mask their presence he's still going to know when to raise his saber to block an attack because he'll be able to "feel" the bullets coming at him.

You can't say Wrex always shoots first because you saw it in a few cutscenes that weren't even squadmate specific (anyone could have been in that spot and done the same scripted action), if anything, that's why they don't use biotics, because someone could be in that spot who doesn't use biotics.

Actually, there is a cutscene in Mass Effect 3 where he used a biotic push... which wouldn't kill Vader and only cause Vader to single him out as the main target.

[Guest force_echo]

Again, Vader has the luxury of being able to see the future, he can act before Wrex can.

 Ok, without pictures I'd have to ask what range of fire you expect these guys to reasonably have through these vents.That's still not how it works. Just because things don't have midichlorians doesn't mean they can't have their minds read.

 

Revenge of the Sith novelization:

The part of him that calls itself Obi-Wan Kenobi is no more than a ripple, an eddy in the pool into which he endlessly pours.

 

There are other parts of him here, as well; there is nothing here that is not a part of him, from the scuff mark on R2-D2's dome to the tattered hem of Palaptine's robe, from the spidering in one transparisteel panel of the curving view wall above to the great starships that still battle beyond it.

Because this is all part of the Force.

 

Somehow, mysteriously, the cloud that has darkened the Force for near a decade and a half has lightened around him now, and he finds within himself the limpid clarity he recalls from his schooldays at the Jedi Temple, when the Force was pure, and clean, and perfect. It is as though the darkness has withdrawn, has coiled back upon itself, to allow him this moment of clarity, to return him to the full power of the light, if only for the moment; he does not know why, but he is incapable of even wondering. In the Force, he is beyond questions.

 

Why is meaningless; it is an echo of the past, or a whisper from the future. All that matters, for this infinite now, is what, and where, and who.

 

He is all sixteen of the super battle droids, gleaming in laser-reflective chrome, arms loaded with heavy blasters. He is those blasters and he is their targets. He is all eight destroyer droids waiting with electronic patience within their energy shields, and both bodyguards, and every single one of the shivering Neimoidians. He is their clothes, their boots, even each drop of reptile-scented moisture that rolls off them from the misting sprays they use to keep their internal temperatures down. He is the binders that cuff his hands, and he is the electrostaff in the hands of the bodyguards at his back.

 

He is both of the lightsabers that the other droid bodyguard marches forward to off to General Grievous.

 

And he is the general himself.

 

He is the general's duranium ribs. He is the beating of Grievous' alien heart, and is the silent pulse of oxygen pumped through his alien veins. He is the weight of four lightsabers at the general's belt, and is the greedy anticipation the captured weapons sparked behind the general's eyes. He is even the plan for his own execution simmering within the general's brain.

 

He is all these things, but most importantly, he is still Obi-Wan Kenobi.

 

This is why he can simply stand. Why he can simply wait. He has no need to attack, or to defend. There will be battle here, but he is perfectly at ease, perfectly content to let the battle start when it will start, and let it end when it will end.

 

Coruscant Nights II:

But even as he wondered at their naivete, another object hurtled at him. The pattern of ripples it made in the force told him it was a ntoher small round object, most likely another grenade- and this one, he sensed, was impact sensitive.

 

So yeah, Jedi can sense objects in the Force, a lack of midichlorians isn't going to help Shepard and co at all.

 

Even if it did somehow mask their presence he's still going to know when to raise his saber to block an attack because he'll be able to "feel" the bullets coming at him.Actually, there is a cutscene in Mass Effect 3 where he used a biotic push... which wouldn't kill Vader and only cause Vader to single him out as the main target.

Not really, Vader's been tagged by projectiles that travel slower than ME bullets before, as you showed in your scan. Also, Wrex with a shotgun, He simply can't block it even if he knows when and where it's going to be, unless his saber somehow became a LOT wider than it actually is. And the simple fact that it takes more time to turn someone around with the force than it does to pull a trigger and that Vader simply does not have the reflexes to block Mass Effect projectiles isn't going to be fixed by precognition. That's like saying that if I knew where and when a bullet was going off, I could dodge it, if I dodge before he fires, he just adjusts his aim. If I dodge after, I'm still f*cked cause I don't have the reflexes necessary. That's why Spider-Sense works so good on Spider-Man vs. guy with a gun, and not so good on normal guy with Spider-Sense vs. guy with a gun. 

 

In Heir to the Empire, Luke couldn't feel anything beyond a blast door, but he heard noises, which indicated to him that C-3P0 was behind the door. In Dark Tide II: Ruin, it was said that Yuuzhan Vong could not be felt through the force because they evolved in a different galaxy, and so did evolve a symbiotic relationship with midi-chlorians. If he feels bullets coming at him, it's already too late, there's no way he could block the bullets after they're fired.