Rumble 14117 Galactus vs. Unicron

[Guest xlab3000]

Scenario 1: both are in character, Galactus is fully fed, no prep
Scenario 2: both are bloodlusted, Galactus has UN, no prep

[Callisto]

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Galactus

Read more about Galactus at Wikipedia

Official Site: Marvel Comics Links: Wikipedia Entry - Galactus Marvel Database Entry Marvel Universe Entry

 

Unicron

Read more about Unicron at Wikipedia

Official Site: Hasbro Links: Wikipedia Ben's World of Transformers Temple of Unicron

 

 

[Guest xlab3000]

bump

[DSkillz]

Meh, it's been done to death. 

 

Galactus, by far, in both scenarios. Anybody that says otherwise doesn't know these characters.

[Guest xlab3000]

how would Galactus win.

[DSkillz]

I'll put it in terms of power scope. The worst Unicron has done is devour planets. Galactus was pissed one day and did this:

 

 

 

 

And to think, Galactus was nowhere near fully fed that day.

[Guest Classic80s]

But I thought Unicron was multiversial? It says so in his bio. And if that is indeed the case, he wins. 

 

But if Galactus has the ultimate nulifier in scenario 2, he wins. 

[DSkillz]

But I thought Unicron was multiversial? It says so in his bio. And if that is indeed the case, he wins. 

 

So is Galactus. Difference is, Unicron has never done anything on the scale that Galactus has.

[Guest xlab3000]

but the only thing that can stop Unicron is the matrix. 

The facts start at 1:08 and ends at 1:39 
This vid shows that each key only contains a tiny fragment of Primus's power

The first 35 seconds of this vid show that the tiny fragments are capable of creating universes . So if the tiny fragments are capable of creating universes, than that puts Primus in the multiversal level.
Here is a fact, one more time, and please don't ignore it, answer it.
A portion of Primus's power is able to create, destroy, reshape and rule for eternity a universe / multiverse. ( the portion being the omega lock with keyes, and the evidence being in the show etc. )
So if a portion of Primus's power is able to do all that, Imagine what full power primus can do. Not only that, but Unicron is a bit more powerful than Primus. So here is how it breaks down.
1: lock with keyes, able to destroy, create, reshape, and rule an entire Universe / Multiverse 
2: Primus is WAYYYYYYY above the lock and keyes since they are just a little portion of his power 
3: Unicron is a bit stronger than Primus

[kainboa]

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In neither of those two videos, nor the comic scan do we see any evidence of multiversal level power, I'll just go through your points one by one, and show you the various errors.

 

but the only thing that can stop Unicron is the matrix.

 

The only thing in the transformers universe that has the power to stop Unicron, is the Matrix, that doesn't mean that it is the only thing in every universe which has sufficient power.

 

The first 35 seconds of this vid show that the tiny fragments are capable of creating universes.

 

Not quite, what is said in the video is that "I possess the omega lock, and the cyber planet keys, as well as the power to rule and create a new universe." which tells us that the keys aren't what gives him the power to create a universe.

 

So if the tiny fragments are capable of creating universes, than that puts Primus in the multiversal level.

 

Yes, this is true, however there's no evidence to support your claim that the fragments are capable of creating universes.

 

Here is a fact, one more time, and please don't ignore it, answer it.

 

A portion of Primus's power is able to create, destroy, reshape and rule for eternity a universe / multiverse. ( the portion being the omega lock with keyes, and the evidence being in the show etc. )

 

That isn't a fact, that is your own interpretation of the facts, as such it is irrelevant.

 

Moving on to the Comic scan, it shows primus and unicron to be fighting purely within a single universe, rather than in several, which means they are not multiversal.

[Guest badpierce]

What If this was just an old fashioned pie eating contest with planets? Would it be closer then?

[Guest force_echo]

A full power Galactus should not be a multiversal entity. There are multiple Galactuses, for one, and for another, Galactus can only be as powerful as Eternity, of which there are one per universe.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

A full power Galactus should not be a multiversal entity. There are multiple Galactuses, for one, and for another, Galactus can only be as powerful as Eternity, of which there are one per universe.

*Galacti

[Guest skadoosh]

But I thought Unicron was multiversial? It says so in his bio. And if that is indeed the case, he wins. 

 

But if Galactus has the ultimate nulifier in scenario 2, he wins. 

 

Being multiversal doesn't mean you just instantly win a fight, it depends who you're fighting. I've never seen Unicron do anything that suggested multiversal-level power, or even close, myself. He's just a planet-level threat, but the scan above shows what kind of threat Galactus is on a normal, not-fully-fed day, and it's far more impressive, more destructive and generally more powerful than anything Unicron has to offer.

 

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Three star systems is.. How many planets? Not that it matters, it's just nice to know exactly how easily Galactus would win these fights.

 

but the only thing that can stop Unicron is the matrix. 

 

The only thing from his own universe, as has already been stated. Galactus can do a lot more damage than the Matrix can, and can almost definitely mimic all of it's other effects.

[Guest Magnetrex]

Wow, quite the discussion for this bout. Overall, my vote goes to Galactus mostly because of the sheer awesomeness of what we he can do when he is not hungry.

[Guest Classic80s]

So is Galactus. Difference is, Unicron has never done anything on the scale that Galactus has.

But there was an arc that showed Galactus was only universal, because there was one of him for each universe. The arc where Abraxas was going around killing each one. 

[Nesh]

I'd just like to point this out: http://www.electricferret.com/fights/pieinthesky.htm

[kainboa]

I'd just like to point this out: http://www.electricferret.com/fights/pieinthesky.htm

 

Which has absolutely no relevance on this fight what so ever, since that was a fanbased vote, rather than a look at the capabilities of each character, then deciding who would win.

[Nesh]

alright  you want an honest +answer?  Stalemate.  Galactus may be more powerful than Unicron, but Unicron iss a cconstat in the Multivere, who devours entire universse.  short of using the Nullifier, it's better for Galactus just stays out of Unicron's way.

[Guest skadoosh]

But there was an arc that showed Galactus was only universal, because there was one of him for each universe. The arc where Abraxas was going around killing each one. 

 

Multiversal or not, Galactus is more powerful than Unicron. The scan above is a very good example of how and why Galactus wins this fight.

 

alright  you want an honest +answer?  Stalemate.  Galactus may be more powerful than Unicron, but Unicron iss a cconstat in the Multivere, who devours entire universse.  short of using the Nullifier, it's better for Galactus just stays out of Unicron's way.

 

When did Unicron devour a universe?

[Magnamax]

What If this was just an old fashioned pie eating contest with planets? Would it be closer then?

Eh, if it's blueberry I'd go Unicron, if cherry I think Galactus has it.

[Guest xlab3000]

In neither of those two videos, nor the comic scan do we see any evidence of multiversal level power, I'll just go through your points one by one, and show you the various errors.

 

but the only thing that can stop Unicron is the matrix.

 

The only thing in the transformers universe that has the power to stop Unicron, is the Matrix, that doesn't mean that it is the only thing in every universe which has sufficient power.

 

The first 35 seconds of this vid show that the tiny fragments are capable of creating universes.

 

Not quite, what is said in the video is that "I possess the omega lock, and the cyber planet keys, as well as the power to rule and create a new universe." which tells us that the keys aren't what gives him the power to create a universe.

 

So if the tiny fragments are capable of creating universes, than that puts Primus in the multiversal level.

 

Yes, this is true, however there's no evidence to support your claim that the fragments are capable of creating universes.

 

Here is a fact, one more time, and please don't ignore it, answer it.

 

A portion of Primus's power is able to create, destroy, reshape and rule for eternity a universe / multiverse. ( the portion being the omega lock with keyes, and the evidence being in the show etc. )

 

That isn't a fact, that is your own interpretation of the facts, as such it is irrelevant.

 

Moving on to the Comic scan, it shows primus and unicron to be fighting purely within a single universe, rather than in several, which means they are not multiversal.

dude Unicron's is multiversal deal with it http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t550399.html

[Indolent]

The point is, Unicron's not shown anything impressive that Galactus has done - to a better degree.

 

The Devourer eats Unicron.

[kainboa]

dude Unicron's is multiversal deal with it http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t550399.html

 

You can keep saying that as much as you like, however the scans and videos you showed, doesn't support it.

 

If you want to prove it, you need to come up with some more concrete evidence.

[Guest Shockwave]

xlab, here's how you support your evidence:

 

I claim Luffy is tougher than Naruto (veterans and Naruto-fans please put your pitchforks down I'll explain my logic here and then you can flame me later).

Naruto fans claim Naruto is tougher.  

I show scans of Luffy getting run through by Croc, hit by a blade in the back of the head by Jango's disk, and other facts.

Naruto fans show Kyuubi Naruto stopping a sword.

What's that say?  Really nothing it's interpretation.

You may think that Galactus is weaker than Unicron.  But you have to prove it to 10 other people who are showing you he's not in the same league.  You need further proof, evidence.  Can Unicron reach beyond two planets? Can he rip the universe apart in anger? 

Can you SHOW where and how he did it?

That's CBUB for you, SHOW don't tell.