Magneto vs The Enterprise

[Guest skadoosh]

Magneto, comic book version

 

vs

 

The Enterprise, from the 2009 Star Trek film

 

Due to some space-and-timey crap the Enterprise is transported to Earth 616, of the Marvel universe, right above Magneto's most recent hideout. Magneto sees the ship as a threat and takes flight towards it, which Kirk sees as an attack. Violence ensues. Neither knows anything about the other, obviously. Everyone is in character. Death, incapacitation and surrender all count as a win.

 

Opinions?

[Guest bigballerju]

Do you hate Star Trek? Magneto crushes that entire ship and turns it into a soda can.

[Bergy_Berg]

I doubt the Enterprise has a thing it can do to penetrate Magneto's force field. This is a one-sided fight.

[Guest Kate Awesome Is Awesome]

This is all Magneto until he makes the mistake of ripping Kirk's shirt.

 

Game. Set. Match. Enterprise.

[Guest skadoosh]

I thought that kind of thing might be said, but i also thought people might think that Magneto gets slaughtered by the lasers he can't control... It would be good if people could state why they think what they do, such as explain relevant feats, like when has Magneto ever crushed something the size of the Enterprise, was it easy, etc?

 

Also, i was thinking of the more recent version/s of Magneto, who isn't as shield-happy as his more classic self.

[Guest bigballerju]

Magneto always uses his force fields even today regardless of the fact he isn't on classic Magneto level. As far as feats....Are you seriously asking for proof that he has the power to crush the Enterprise? 

[Guest force_echo]

The guy has effortlessly disabled every electronic device on the planet. He shreds the Enterprise apart effortlessly.

 

And yes, he can deflect light, and photons. They are a part of the E/M spectrum.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

They haven't given much indication of the power level of the Enterprise in the movies, however in the original series there are some indicators. The best is probably "The Paradise Syndrome" in which the Enterprise is trying to save a planet with an asteroid "roughly the size of earth's moon."

 

Spock's plan to split the asteroid in two  suggests that doing so is barely possible. It suggests that the Enterprise can move a mass half the size of the moon with its tractor beams.

 

The energy to split a stony mass the size of the moon would be equivalent to a 7,590,000 gigaton nuclear explosion. That's 151,800,000 times the power of the Tsar Bomba. 

 

I don't think Magneto's shields have ever withstood anything close to that, and I don't think Magneto's ever done anything comparable to shoving around something half the size of the moon.

[Guest bigballerju]

The new Star Trek film is a different timeline though. That feat didn't happen and more then likely won't.

[Bergy_Berg]

Those are fair points. But what's to stop Magneto from breaking into the enterprise and doing this at close range? His force field will certainly stand up to anything handheld, and he can just rip it apart from the inside. That'd only considering he can't poul it apart from the outside.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

The new Star Trek film is a different timeline though. That feat didn't happen and more then likely won't.

That doesn't mean the capabilities of the ship are different.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

I'll agree that Magneto's shields can easily withstand hand phasers. Getting onboard would be the hard part. Before he can do that, or directly affect the ship with a magnetic attack, he has to get through the shields. I suspect they would deflect focussed magnetism in the same way they deflect focused light and radiation.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

The guy has effortlessly disabled every electronic device on the planet. He shreds the Enterprise apart effortlessly.

 

And yes, he can deflect light, and photons. They are a part of the E/M spectrum.

That's impressive, but not conclusive. Starfleet technology has to be better hardened against EMP than modern tech. And, while he can deflect phasers and photon torpedoes in principle, his ability to shield against energy is finite. 

[Guest badpierce]

He could probably destroy the ship before they fired a shot. I Dont think they would shot him with everything the got right away. Why would they really? Just a dude flying there. Kurk would probably beam him to the Brig with a security team there to meet him. That wouldn't end well for the redshirts.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

Their sensors would detect a man, flying through space under his own power and generating an amazingly powerful magnetic field. Unless they're idiots they'd be careful.

[Guest skadoosh]

Magneto always uses his force fields even today regardless of the fact he isn't on classic Magneto level. As far as feats....Are you seriously asking for proof that he has the power to crush the Enterprise? 

 

I can't remember the last time i saw him use a forcefield myself. He still can, of course, it's just not something he does as often as he used to. And yes, i'm asking for proof, because it makes the debate worth having, not because i disagree.

 

The guy has effortlessly disabled every electronic device on the planet. He shreds the Enterprise apart effortlessly.

 

And yes, he can deflect light, and photons. They are a part of the E/M spectrum.

 

Could you give more conclusive evidence to support those feats?

 

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You've all made some very good points, i think some people are underestimating the capabilities of the Enterprise and how it's crew thinks, so i'm glad there has been some credit given to them. I wanted to clarify a few things before we go on.

 

Firstly, Magneto and Kirk have each already seen the other and decided they were a threat. Secondly, it is very unlikely that Kirk would just barrage Magneto with everything the ship has, unless, of course, things go sour for the Captain, in which case it's very likely. Thirdly, Magneto obviously wants to get rid of the ship, but he doesn't want to crash the thing where the fight is taking place, because it's his HQ, so he'll be wanting to move the battle somewhere else.

[Guest force_echo]

The Enterprise's torpedoes use 1.5 kg of antimatter, which would create 60 megatons of explosive capability. Magneto's deflected multiple nukes effortlessly. Plus, the fact is he can easily deflect any missile or E/M based attack directed at him.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

The Enterprise's torpedoes use 1.5 kg of antimatter, which would create 60 megatons of explosive capability. Magneto's deflected multiple nukes effortlessly. Plus, the fact is he can easily deflect any missile or E/M based attack directed at him.

Any missle or E/M attack? Are you saying the power level of the attack doesn't matter?

[Guest bigballerju]

I can't remember the last time i saw him use a forcefield myself. He still can, of course, it's just not something he does as often as he used to. And yes, i'm asking for proof, because it makes the debate worth having, not because i disagree.

 

LOL you have spent a long time not reading any comics with Magneto then. He uses force fields still to this day. Avengers vs X-Men, Magneto not hero or whatever it was called, any X-Men title he is in, and more. Plenty of comics to read and choose for yourself to see.

 

 

 

Any missle or E/M attack? Are you saying the power level of the attack doesn't matter?

 

Magneto has blocked and countered more powerful attacks then the Enterprise. I didn't see anything from 2009 Star Trek film that would pose a problem for Magneto. Remember you can't use the old Star Trek films because those are a different timeline and non canon.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

They're very much canon.

 

It's an alternative timeline but the continuity comes straight out of the original series. They even have Leonard Nimoy in it playing Spock. This is the same version of Spock he played in the older Trek movies, in the TNG series and in the original series. The same events have not and will not happen in this movie series but that doesn't mean the rules of physics are different.

 

I will defer to Force's 60 megaton yield for a photon torpedo if someone can give me a source.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

The Enterprise's torpedoes use 1.5 kg of antimatter, which would create 60 megatons of explosive capability. Magneto's deflected multiple nukes effortlessly. Plus, the fact is he can easily deflect any missile or E/M based attack directed at him.

I'll accept this yield if you can source it.

 

Has Magneto deflected the energy of the explosion or just the missiles? If it's just missiles it doesn't help. Trying to deflect a photon torpedo (as with deflector shields) causes it to detonate. Also, phasers do similar levels of damage. Can you show me where Magneto has shielded energies on this level?

[Guest sirmethos]

This http://www.edwardmuller.com/right17.htm?Weight=Kilograms&Amount=1%2C5

 

Says that 1.5 kg of anti-matter, would produce 64.44 megatons of force.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

It's a good link, though I'm more interested in where Force got the information that photon torpedoes use a payload of 1.5 kg of the stuff. I've looked high and low and can't find this figure.

[Guest sirmethos]

Ah.

 

Try here http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Photon_torpedo

 

 

The second type warhead was loaded with a maximum yield of only 1.5 kilograms of antideuterium. Due to the premixed reactants, the released energy per unit time is greater than the result of a rupture in a storage pod containing 100 cubic meters of antideuterium. The torpedo had a dry mass of 247.5 kilograms. (pg. 129, 68 referenced) By using standard physics calculations, a payload of 1.5 kilograms equals to about 64 megatons. The second type, at maximum yield, achieves the level of destructive force of an antimatter pod rupture. Antimatter is stored as liquid or slush on starships. (pg. 69) Density of mere liquid antideuterium is around 160 kilograms per cubic meter. According to this comparison the high annihilation rate energy release would be comparable to about 690 gigatons. For the sake of plausibility the affected blast area at these intensities might be extremely small. Visual effects on-screen would seem to confirm this.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

Thanks