The Hunger Games: Street Elite

[HeyTim85]

I'm gonna go with Wolverine. He definitely knows how to survive. He is also very well rounded with experience in hand to hand fighting, I'm sure a variety decent with a variety of weapons, and he's taught to know how to disappear when necessary. Captain America would be a close second based off experience and the fact he doesn't lose any power in the fight, just a shield.  Ol Cap might even be able to persuade some people to join him.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

I'm gonna go with Wolverine. He definitely knows how to survive. He is also very well rounded with experience in hand to hand fighting, I'm sure a variety decent with a variety of weapons, and he's taught to know how to disappear when necessary. Captain America would be a close second based off experience and the fact he doesn't lose any power in the fight, just a shield.  Ol Cap might even be able to persuade some people to join him.

No, it's certainly not Wolverine. He doesn't have claws or healing factor in this fight, and would lose to basically everyone here except for the archers in combat. 

[Guest bigballerju]

No offense you certainly don't know Wolverine if you think that. . Wolverine has superhuman speed, reflexes, senses, and strength still. Wolverine still has his metal in him here. In addition Wolverine is one of the most experienced ones in this battle. Wolverine has training from being a soldier in multiple wars, Alpha Flight, Weapons X, Covert Ops, C.I.A, and a bit more. Wolverine has mastered all forms of combat including weapons in addition to being a samurai. Wolverine is in the top 3 to win this battle for a reason.

[Bergy_Berg]

We can argue over the winner later, who's the next to drop?

[Guest Lunacyde]

I say it's Wolverine. He's out of his element with no healing factor or claws. He is still an expert martial artist, but so are his opponents, and they aren't used to a lifetime of tanking shots because of their healing factor.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

No offense you certainly don't know Wolverine if you think that. . Wolverine has superhuman speed, reflexes, senses, and strength still. Wolverine still has his metal in him here. In addition Wolverine is one of the most experienced ones in this battle. Wolverine has training from being a soldier in multiple wars, Alpha Flight, Weapons X, Covert Ops, C.I.A, and a bit more. Wolverine has mastered all forms of combat including weapons in addition to being a samurai. Wolverine is in the top 3 to win this battle for a reason.

All that is true, but compare those to the credentials of the others. CIA training or covert ops aren't that impressive in this comic book world. I haven't seen any strength or speed feats that would put him very far above Batman or Snake-Eyes, and certainty not Cap.

[Guest Lunacyde]

No offense you certainly don't know Wolverine if you think that. . Wolverine has superhuman speed, reflexes, senses, and strength still. Wolverine still has his metal in him here. In addition Wolverine is one of the most experienced ones in this battle. Wolverine has training from being a soldier in multiple wars, Alpha Flight, Weapons X, Covert Ops, C.I.A, and a bit more. Wolverine has mastered all forms of combat including weapons in addition to being a samurai. Wolverine is in the top 3 to win this battle for a reason.

Wolverine is a very skilled martial artist, but his style of fighting developed around being able to take shots other people can't in order to get himself in the position he wants against his opponent. He no longer has that available to him. His opponents, especially Snake-Eyes and Batman, are also masters in just about every form of combat, and haven't had the crutch of a healing factor to lean on. The adamantium lacing his bones will make sure no one breaks his bones, or decapitates him, but other than that it isn't that great of use. He can still be stabbed, slashed, shot, burned, etc and it's not going to heal back like it usually does. not saying he's weak, but he relies a lot on his claws and healing factor, things that he doesn't have here. He's a skilled fighter, and skilled with weapons, but not AS skilled as others who regularly use them.

[Guest bigballerju]

Wolverine is a master in every form of combat and yes he does use it. Wolverine has training and experience a lot of the others don't have like I mentioned before. Hence why he has beaten Iron-Fist in H2H sparring and defeated others. Wolverine actually is just as skilled as everyone else. If not more then people like Snake-Eyes. In a battle like this Wolverine will definitely use his true skills and experience.

[Guest force_echo]

All that experience was with a healing factor, which is what I think Luna is trying to say.

[Indolent]

All that is true, but compare those to the credentials of the others. CIA training or covert ops aren't that impressive in this comic book world. I haven't seen any strength or speed feats that would put him very far above Batman or Snake-Eyes, and certainty not Cap.

 

Do you have a feat for Batman tossing around a Grizzly bear? There's a reason he's got a range between 800 lbs to 2 tons depending on the comic. Or support the weight of a dozen men... on one arm?

 

And he's an actual bullet timer iirc whereas Batman is an aim dodger.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Do you have a feat for Batman tossing around a Grizzly bear? There's a reason he's got a range between 800 lbs to 2 tons depending on the comic. Or support the weight of a dozen men... on one arm?

 

And he's an actual bullet timer iirc whereas Batman is an aim dodger.

Obviously Wolverine is stronger than Batman. But not by a large margin. Do you have a feat for Wolverine supporting a massive golden sarcophagus while holding up another on one arm? Or benching at least 2,000 lbs.

 

I've gotten into this argument a lot on this site. Batman does dodge bullets. I've only read one comic where Wolverine dodges bullets, Again, Wolverine is faster, but not by a lot.

[Indolent]

The golden sarcophagus of King Tut's is like over 200 pounds - how much bigger this one? And he benches at least 1000 lbs, not 2000 lbs. That's still at least 3000 lbs difference in comparison to Wolverine at his best, which quite frankly demonstrates the concept of being stronger by a large margin. Granted he's not exactly 2 tons as that's a range but several hundred pounds difference is still a large margin, more so if there's actually a tonnage difference. >.>

 

You mean aside the stormtrooper effect and actual aim dodging? I've seen him catch arrows, dodge em even, but that pales in comparison to actual bullets. >.>

 

Also Wolverine is capable of doing battle with Superhumanly fast opponents such as Tomi Shishido... who's speed's proven capable of catching him off guard and more so when they actually engage in a direct fight, Wolverine is literally keeping up with him exchanging blows. So I do think this demonstrates the concept of the large margin again?

 

Granted I'm unsure if the healing factor plays a role in his strength (I know it restores damage to his body when he exerts past his limit but his metallic skeleton plus his superhuman strength is still there) but I'm fairly positive his speed is intact.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

The golden sarcophagus of King Tut's is like over 200 pounds - how much bigger this one? And he benches at least 1000 lbs, not 2000bs. That's still at least 3000 lb different in comparison to Wolverine at his best, which quite frankly demonstrate the concept of being stronger by a large margin. Granted he's not exactly 2 tons as that's a range but several hundred pounds difference is still a large margin, more so if there's actually a tonnage difference. >.>

 

You mean aside the stormtrooper effect and actual aim dodging? I've seen him catch arrows, dodge em even, but that pales in comparison to actual bullets. >.>

 

Also Wolverine is capable of doing battle with Superhumanly fast opponents such as Tomi Shishido... who's speed's proven capable of catching him off guard and more so when they actually engage in a direct fight, Wolverine is literally keep up with him exchanging blows. So I do think this demonstrates the concept of the large margin again?

 

Granted I'm unsure if the healing factor plays a role in his strength (I know it restores damage to his body when he exerts past his limit but his metallic skeleton plus his superhuman strength is still there) but I'm fairly positive his speed is intact.

King Tut's sarcophagus is 3,000 lbs, so supporting one on your shoulders and holding up another with one arm is, well, impressive. As for the bench, no. In the scan everyone knows, we see a 500 lb weight. This would mean 1,000 lbs. However, the 500 lb plate is not the largest plate, which implies at least 2,000 lbs.

 

Batman has even said that he can dodge bullets. He's deflected bullets with a shovel before, blocked them with a chain wrapped around his fist, dodged a sniper bullet coming at his back, dodged submachine gun fire, ect. I can provide any of these scans if you're skeptical. So again, no large margin.

 

Batman is capable of disappearing from the Flash, and keeping up with Atomic Skull and Deathstroke in combat.

[Indolent]

King Tut's sarcophagus is 3,000 lbs, so supporting one on your shoulders and holding up another with one arm is, well, impressive. As for the bench, no. In the scan everyone knows, we see a 500 lb weight. This would mean 1,000 lbs. However, the 500 lb plate is not the largest plate, which implies at least 2,000 lbs.

 

Batman has even said that he can dodge bullets. He's deflected bullets with a shovel before, blocked them with a chain wrapped around his fist, dodged a sniper bullet coming at his back, dodged submachine gun fire, ect. I can provide any of these scans if you're skeptical. So again, no large margin.

 

Batman is capable of disappearing from the Flash, and keeping up with Atomic Skull and Deathstroke in combat.

 

I'd like to see the scans of this sarcophagus. And you see two 500 lb plates but you're assuming he can lift more than that? That sentence is a mite bit confusing. Don't chalk it up to benching a ton when we only see him lift half.

 

Batman saying he can dodge bullets doesn't equate to actual bullet dodging - he could be referring to aim dodging. Using an object to deflect it isn't a big deal if you're capable of predicting the aim of the round (Since the Batman is a literal freakin genius in this respect). And I'd love to see the sniper round instance. The submachine gun - stormtrooper effect easily aside aim dodging.

 

Yes, that doesn't necessarily equate to actual physical speed @ Flash, just the capability of removing his presence is insane (i.e. his ninja training and the like?), and Deathstroke's utterly thrashed Batman in physical combat - Atomic Skull isn't quite fast either - he only has strength and durability but nothing about actual speed so using him as an example is detrimental.

[Indolent]

http://awesomestories.com/assets/third-coffin-of-king-tut < btw was where I got the 240 lbs figure for Tut's third golden coffin - i.e. the one Tut was actually inside. But after doing some reasearch...  http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/tutcoffins.htm

 

I guess it referred to the nesting aspect.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

I'd like to see the scans of this sarcophagus. And you see two 500 lb plates but you're assuming he can lift more than that? That sentence is a mite bit confusing. Don't chalk it up to benching a ton when we only see him lift half.

 

Batman saying he can dodge bullets doesn't equate to actual bullet dodging - he could be referring to aim dodging. Using an object to deflect it isn't a big deal if you're capable of predicting the aim of the round (Since the Batman is a literal freakin genius in this respect). And I'd love to see the sniper round instance. The submachine gun - stormtrooper effect easily aside aim dodging.

 

Yes, that doesn't necessarily equate to actual physical speed @ Flash, just the capability of removing his presence is insane (i.e. his ninja training and the like?), and Deathstroke's utterly thrashed Batman in physical combat - Atomic Skull isn't quite fast either - he only has strength and durability but nothing about actual speed so using him as an example is detrimental.

Here are the scans of the sarcophagus.

 

gothamaftermidnight2-batvsarcophagus3.jpg

 

I'm referring to this scan.

 

batweightraining.jpg

 

In the scan you can clearly see that the 500 lb plate is not the largest. So, he must be lifting at least 2,000 lbs.

 

He says "I can't dodge bullets forever" By no means a concrete data point, but something to consider. Here is the submachine gun scan,

 

lotdk176-batspeed2.jpg

 

I don't have the sniper scan right now, but in essence Batman has tackled Freeze to the ground, a sniper attempts to shoot Batman from behind, and Batman dodges.

 

Ninja skills which would help him against Wolverine. Utterly trashed is completely untrue. Deathstroke has barely beaten Batman, and lost to him before. Atomic Skull reacts to Superman, so he is fast.

[Guest sirmethos]

@Thanosisawesome:

1.  Strength: By Batman's own words, his max capability for leg pressing is 2500 lbs.  And none of his other various strength 'feats' puts him above(or at) that level.  In comparison, Wolverine has a max strength of 2 tons(roughly 4400 lbs). I'll post a few scans at the end of this post.

 

2. Speed/Reflexes: Batman has never actually dodged a bullet.  The "sniper fire dodging" 'feat' that you mentioned, Batman didn't actually dodge it, it was never aimed at him. It is directly said in that incident, that the bullet came too fast for Batman to react.  In comparison, Wolverine is an actual bullet dodger(not just an advanced aim-dodger), and has been stated as having enhanced reflexes on par with, or superior to, those of Captain America.  Again, I'll post scans at the end of the post.

 

3. Wolverine, while not quite as skilled as Batman, is far more experienced. And his superior physical capabilities, is a gap that Batman's minor skill superiority, is not enough to gap.

 

Strength:

 

 

Speed:

 

 

 

I'm more than willing to provide further evidence, if needs be.

[Indolent]

Here are the scans of the sarcophagus.

 

gothamaftermidnight2-batvsarcophagus3.jpg

 

I'm referring to this scan.

 

batweightraining.jpg

 

In the scan you can clearly see that the 500 lb plate is not the largest. So, he must be lifting at least 2,000 lbs.

 

He says "I can't dodge bullets forever" By no means a concrete data point, but something to consider. Here is the submachine gun scan,

 

lotdk176-batspeed2.jpg

 

I don't have the sniper scan right now, but in essence Batman has tackled Freeze to the ground, a sniper attempts to shoot Batman from behind, and Batman dodges.

 

Ninja skills which would help him against Wolverine. Utterly trashed is completely untrue. Deathstroke has barely beaten Batman, and lost to him before. Atomic Skull reacts to Superman, so he is fast.

 

Those look more like... overturned statues? Do we have context they're even gold or?

 

...The supposedly larger circle posed behind the 500 lb? It's the very same weight - it has the raised face - several weights irl have the same thing too. It's 1000 lbs.

 

He's looking right at the guy just as he fires - dodging in the next instance - he's aim dodging.

 

Methos already covered the Sniper instance.

 

You do realize Wolverine has this training too? Batman would be inferior in this respect due to Wolverine's comprehensive training, experience... and his senses. -.-

 

I'm pretty sure Deathstroke crushed him in their first fight. There's other instances where Batman needed like Batgirl and Robin to fight him or some such - if he won against Slade, I'm inclined to think its prep on Bat's part. Though to be fair, Bronze Tiger's thrashed Deathstroke too but then again iirc Bronze Tiger can take Batman so dunno.

 

Also Superman fights people that aren't superhuman in speed half the time. I'll reiterate - I haven't really seen much from Atomic Skull in terms of speed, i.e comparable to Superman - if I can see a scan or two I'd be satisfied. Also - Batman pretty much fights people out of his league all the time - this doesn't make him superhumanly fast, it simply means the story's letting him be able to do so.

[Guest bigballerju]

Atomic Skull doesn't react to Superman because he is fast enough to hit him. Atomic Skull is a whole different game there. Their is also two people who were Atomic Skull. Both have different set of powers as well.

[Guest force_echo]

King Tut's sarcophagus is 3,000 lbs, so supporting one on your shoulders and holding up another with one arm is, well, impressive. As for the bench, no. In the scan everyone knows, we see a 500 lb weight. This would mean 1,000 lbs. However, the 500 lb plate is not the largest plate, which implies at least 2,000 lbs.

Have you ever taken a physics course before? Also, just curious, why do you like Batman?

[Guest force_echo]

Here are the scans of the sarcophagus.

 

gothamaftermidnight2-batvsarcophagus3.jpg

 

I'm referring to this scan.

 

batweightraining.jpg

 

In the scan you can clearly see that the 500 lb plate is not the largest. So, he must be lifting at least 2,000 lbs.

 

He says "I can't dodge bullets forever" By no means a concrete data point, but something to consider. Here is the submachine gun scan,

 

lotdk176-batspeed2.jpg

 

I don't have the sniper scan right now, but in essence Batman has tackled Freeze to the ground, a sniper attempts to shoot Batman from behind, and Batman dodges.

 

Ninja skills which would help him against Wolverine. Utterly trashed is completely untrue. Deathstroke has barely beaten Batman, and lost to him before. Atomic Skull reacts to Superman, so he is fast.

If you're using Batman kicking Deathstroke in the back of the head when Deathstroke didn't know he was there as an example of Batman being faster than Deathstroke than something is wrong with you.

 

Really? So I guess Kraven is as fast as Spider-Man, because Kraven "reacts to" Spider-Man. For that matter, human reflexes are slower than the speed of a dodgeball, because people get hit by dodgeballs. Right.

 

That Freeze scan shows that Batman can't dodge bullets, not that he can.

 

As for the lifting scan, it's nice to know you don't know what density or thickness is. Besides, Batman's directly stated his max leg press is 2500, so unless he skipped leg day, he benches 1000. Not like it matters, Wolverine's strength is given to him by his healing factor. If he doesn't have it, not only is he not going to have super strength, he's going to have to carry a heavy metal laced skeleton around while the others don't. Tiring him out more quickly.

[Guest force_echo]

How good is Snake Eyes with guns?

[Guest sirmethos]

No, Wolverine doesn't get his strength from his Healing Factor.

 

His strength was still at the same enhanced level during the period where his Healing Factor was not working(lifting Cable with one hand, being a nice example of this).

[Indolent]

His Healing Factor just allows Wolverine to bypass the limits of his strength whenever necessary, accompanied with his Skeleton enabling him to transcend human limits already.

[Guest Lunacyde]

How good is Snake Eyes with guns?

Pretty damn good. He's considered an expert in all small arms. He doesn't have bullseye type accuracy, especially at longer ranges but he doesn't often miss in combat situations. Basically he's not the best marksman here but he's well versed in anything that shoots and uses firearms in a comprehensive combat strategy.