UMPIRE Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 SEASON 4, ROUND 6 Doctor Doom Slot: Bring In the Team's Big Gun Season Wins: 0 Season Losses: 1 Fantasy Team Page Read more about Doctor Doom at Wikipedia Official Site: Marvel Comics Martian Manhunter Slot: Bring In the Team's Big Gun Season Wins: 0 Season Losses: 1 Fantasy Team Page Read more about Martian Manhunter at Wikipedia Official Site: DC Comics Battle Terrain Combat Terrain: New York City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macklemore Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 No prep time? Doom gets stomped by Martian Manhunter, no questions asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peypeypeypey Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 I agree with Macklemore for totally unbiased reasons. MM wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergy_Berg Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 21 minutes ago, Peypeypeypey said: I agree with Macklemore for totally unbiased reasons. MM wins I dunno man, Doom's cloak is pretty green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peypeypeypey Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bergy_Berg said: I dunno man, Doom's cloak is pretty green See, that's a really good point, but Martian Manhunter's entire body is green. If he were against Wonder Woman or something, then yeah, he's way more green than her. But MM can literally be as green as he wants to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macklemore Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 55 minutes ago, Peypeypeypey said: See, that's a really good point, but Martian Manhunter's entire body is green. If he were against Wonder Woman or something, then yeah, he's way more green than her. But MM can literally be as green as he wants to be Thanks to MM's shapeshifting, he can even allow himself to be a more vibrant green colour, so aggressively green that he ends up blinding someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peypeypeypey Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Macklemore said: Thanks to MM's shapeshifting, he can even allow himself to be a more vibrant green colour, so aggressively green that he ends up blinding someone. That's the best thing I've ever heard. He's the most green person possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSJRuss Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Macklemore said: No prep time? Doom gets stomped by Martian Manhunter, no questions asked. Need more reason then that lol. Doom has taken on foes that I would consider stronger than MM. Doesn't Doom have resistance to mind control? Something built in his armor maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, SSJRuss said: Doesn't Doom have resistance to mind control? Something built in his armor maybe? Well he has that and psionic shields to boot, but also just sheer willpower. As far as mind control goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macklemore Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 You're misunderstanding me, he doesn't need to mind control him (although even then, Martian Manhunter's psionic abilities are on average a lot more powerful than anyone in Marvel. For instance, he can mind control entire species and he can do it from a fair distance.) He will outdo Doctor Doom through sheer speed and power. He'd be punching him across New York, and everything Doom will try to do will be negated by the fact that Martian Manhunter can do invisible. He's too fast, too strong, too VERSATILE for Doom in his use of abilities and since Doom has no idea who Martian Manhunter is he will never find out his weakness. He's frankly outmatched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peypeypeypey Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Macklemore said: You're misunderstanding me, he doesn't need to mind control him (although even then, Martian Manhunter's psionic abilities are on average a lot more powerful than anyone in Marvel. For instance, he can mind control entire species and he can do it from a fair distance.) He will outdo Doctor Doom through sheer speed and power. He'd be punching him across New York, and everything Doom will try to do will be negated by the fact that Martian Manhunter can do invisible. He's too fast, too strong, too VERSATILE for Doom in his use of abilities and since Doom has no idea who Martian Manhunter is he will never find out his weakness. He's frankly outmatched. Too green too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 As for the fight in general, yeah I'm not so sure Martian Manhunter would win quite so easily. Doom's armor is insane. It gives him enough strength to grapple with the Hulk and punch him hard enough to draw blood, he can teleport in combat, his armor's shields are strong enough to let him survive an attack from Thanos blasting him with the power of the Infinity Gauntlet and get right back up in seconds, undeterred. One of Doom's main rivals in the Fantastic Four is the Invisible Woman so I mean obviously Doom would have sensors in his armor for that, negating that advantage. His forcefields kept Nightcrawler from being able to teleport into close proximity but I don't know how that would do with phasing. He has a time machine literally built into his armor so he could go back as many times as he needs to learn how to best MM. Or he could just use the magic spell that he used on Morgan Le Fay that sent her back in time to like...a million years BC and dump MM there. Maybe if MM blitzed him before he could do anything...yeah, maybe. But it would take a lot to crack his shields and get through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, Peypeypeypey said: Too green too No arguing with that though, that is too hardcore OP. Too damn green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peypeypeypey Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 22 minutes ago, C.T. said: As for the fight in general, yeah I'm not so sure Martian Manhunter would win quite so easily. Doom's armor is insane. It gives him enough strength to grapple with the Hulk and punch him hard enough to draw blood, he can teleport in combat, his armor's shields are strong enough to let him survive an attack from Thanos blasting him with the power of the Infinity Gauntlet and get right back up in seconds, undeterred. One of Doom's main rivals in the Fantastic Four is the Invisible Woman so I mean obviously Doom would have sensors in his armor for that, negating that advantage. His forcefields kept Nightcrawler from being able to teleport into close proximity but I don't know how that would do with phasing. He has a time machine literally built into his armor so he could go back as many times as he needs to learn how to best MM. Or he could just use the magic spell that he used on Morgan Le Fay that sent her back in time to like...a million years BC and dump MM there. Maybe if MM blitzed him before he could do anything...yeah, maybe. But it would take a lot to crack his shields and get through. I think speed is a big factor here. Very broadly speaking, I think Marvel's top tiers are a lot slower than DC's, and MM specifically is at least able to contend with the Flash's level of speed. He is vastly faster, and with his variety of powers, he can definitely find a way to beat Doom before Doom can beat him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peypeypeypey Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 4 hours ago, C.T. said: As for the fight in general, yeah I'm not so sure Martian Manhunter would win quite so easily. Doom's armor is insane. It gives him enough strength to grapple with the Hulk and punch him hard enough to draw blood, he can teleport in combat, his armor's shields are strong enough to let him survive an attack from Thanos blasting him with the power of the Infinity Gauntlet and get right back up in seconds, undeterred. One of Doom's main rivals in the Fantastic Four is the Invisible Woman so I mean obviously Doom would have sensors in his armor for that, negating that advantage. His forcefields kept Nightcrawler from being able to teleport into close proximity but I don't know how that would do with phasing. He has a time machine literally built into his armor so he could go back as many times as he needs to learn how to best MM. Or he could just use the magic spell that he used on Morgan Le Fay that sent her back in time to like...a million years BC and dump MM there. Maybe if MM blitzed him before he could do anything...yeah, maybe. But it would take a lot to crack his shields and get through. So I looked into it, and yeah Doom does have a lot of powers and stuff, but I don't think he's as strong as you're making him out to be. At his highest end feats, yeah he can tank shots from Thanos, but he also gets bodied by Sue Storm several times. Like, she completely takes him out with a blast that only seems to level a castle. Granted, I don't have all the context for that fight, but he doesn't, for instance, infinitely loop time until he wins. He has a lot of tricks up his sleeve that he could use, but he's not invincible. He loses to people well below MM's weight class all the time, and all of his best feats are exclusively with a lot of prep and knowledge of his foes. I see no reason MM should lose this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Peypeypeypey said: So I looked into it, and yeah Doom does have a lot of powers and stuff, but I don't think he's as strong as you're making him out to be. At his highest end feats, yeah he can tank shots from Thanos, but he also gets bodied by Sue Storm several times. Like, she completely takes him out with a blast that only seems to level a castle. Granted, I don't have all the context for that fight, but he doesn't, for instance, infinitely loop time until he wins. He has a lot of tricks up his sleeve that he could use, but he's not invincible. He loses to people well below MM's weight class all the time, and all of his best feats are exclusively with a lot of prep and knowledge of his foes. I see no reason MM should lose this Very true, he’s not invincible and the lack of foreknowledge hurts him and helps MM. Less powerful people have gotten the better of Doom in the past as well. Like this : D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peypeypeypey Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, C.T. said: Very true, he’s not invincible and the lack of foreknowledge hurts him and helps MM. Less powerful people have gotten the better of Doom in the past as well. Like this : D What the fuck am I reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMPIRE Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 Match Final Results Doctor Doom: 9Martian Manhunter: 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macklemore Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, UMPIRE said: Match Final Results Doctor Doom: 9 Martian Manhunter: 8 Alright, glad it's always a 1 vote difference no matter how good of a case you make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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