Guest AKUMA Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 It doesn't matter, I just blew his "Word of God" out of the water, the statement he's been using to confine us to lightspeed is fake.lets see what skirm has to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treacherous Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 I know Skirmisher is a worthy opponent, but don't you think you guys should split up and go for Zreth too. If you ask me, his defense is full of holes . Even it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Edit: Also Skirm, you have also argued about them being FTL speeds. Why do you contradict when defending?Because, It wouldn't be a Debate if I just rolled over and Died... Besides, Logically I can and have to agree with the Proponents of Non-FTL DBZ. Anything less and I would not be a good Debater. Besides, It also give you guys a run for your money and a Test of what you'll be facing in the Larger audience that you will have to debate against. Just consider Me you groups Acid Test. This interview was conducted by Super Otaku Magazine, I looked it up, guess what: it doesn't exsist! This supposed magazine boasts two interviews with Toriyama-sama which by logic would mean it's a major mainstream magazine but it has surprising lick of even ahalf-assed wiki article and all links inculding it on Google are either the interview or people debunking it. The closest I got to a real magazin was Otaku Magazine USA. Toriyama-sama is in Japan, a little far away to be giving short interviews for an American magazine; it's just not cost effective. Moving on.Maybe "Super Otaku Magazine" closed down without putting up a Webpage, after all DBZ ended in the early 90's, which was a young time for the Internet. It would make sense that they may not have an actual web page that early. Next is the fact that the name might actually be mis-translated, as you said that it would have to be based in Japan to talk to Toriyama, and may be named something else... or that the Name might have been Changed in the Decade or two since it first published the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Good, but Vegito IT through warp storms? Warp storms are black hole level you know.Well, as the nme and cannon suggests it's instant teleportation, if he can see where he's going he doesn't need to sense ki. He won't have touch the Warp storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ricrery Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Well, as the nme and cannon suggests it's instant teleportation, if he can see where he's going he doesn't need to sense ki. He won't have touch the Warp storm. And, what if Horus sucked up the planet, stranding Vegito out of the fight? And I've already said Reven is powerful as a powerhouse on the back lines. Reven, actually could do most of the damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treacherous Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 As for you guys, Sylar uses his shape shifting ability during the chaos and changes into a Cell Jr. He sneaks up on Cell as a Cell Jr. and uses his disintegration power. Snap. Nothing left of Cell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ricrery Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 As for you guys, Sylar uses his shape shifting ability during the chaos and changes into a Cell Jr. He sneaks up on Cell as a Cell Jr. and uses his disintegration power. Snap. Nothing left of Cell. Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 As for you guys, Sylar uses his shape shifting ability during the chaos and changes into a Cell Jr. He sneaks up on Cell as a Cell Jr. and uses his disintegration power. Snap. Nothing left of Cell.There's a problem with that Sylar has to make contact with the person to change into their shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ricrery Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 This team has some good pros and cons: Super Buu: Strongest incarnation of Buu Horus: Strongest and most favorite son of the Emperor Sylar: Shape shifter with disintegration capabilities Tartarus: Powerful brute with a high position in the Covenant Sephiroth: Powerful bastard with weapons and spells Dr. Doom: Master of prep, capable of creating anything he needs Reven: Most powerful Sith/Jedi of his time now the cons. Super Buu: Cocky Horus: Competition with Reven Sylar: Needs to make contact to shape shift Tartarus: Mortal, rather weak compared to the others Sephiroth: Mommies boy Dr. Doom: No prep time available Reven: Competition with Horus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Because, It wouldn't be a Debate if I just rolled over and Died... Besides, Logically I can and have to agree with the Proponents of Non-FTL DBZ. Anything less and I would not be a good Debater. Besides, It also give you guys a run for your money and a Test of what you'll be facing in the Larger audience that you will have to debate against. Just consider Me you groups Acid Test. Maybe "Super Otaku Magazine" closed down without putting up a Webpage, after all DBZ ended in the early 90's, which was a young time for the Internet. It would make sense that they may not have an actual web page that early. Next is the fact that the name might actually be mis-translated, as you said that it would have to be based in Japan to talk to Toriyama, and may be named something else... or that the Name might have been Changed in the Decade or two since it first published the article.Look it up yourself, there is no mention of a magazine by that name other than those interviews, if you can find something I missed that proves it isn't a hoax I'll concede but as it stands your credibility is in question. It's nothing personal, I assure but your source has been called into question and you need to back up said source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 There's a problem with that Sylar has to make contact with the person to change into their shape.So when a Jr attacks he Disintegrates him and then takes his shape. It's actually perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Because, It wouldn't be a Debate if I just rolled over and Died... Besides, Logically I can and have to agree with the Proponents of Non-FTL DBZ. Anything less and I would not be a good Debater. It is your contradiction that prevents you from being a "good debater"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 So when a Jr attacks he Disintegrates him and then takes his shape. It's actually perfect. Afraid less than perfect actually, The energy stealing doesn't work as it can be counterd. And, Cell is to fast and will punish his children if he sees on on the attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treacherous Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 There's a problem with that Sylar has to make contact with the person to change into their shape. Look at you trying to help them beat Skirmisher. Sneaky. I'm sure someone can hold Cell still for a second to allow for Sylar to fly up and get a little touchy touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 So when a Jr attacks he Disintegrates him and then takes his shape. It's actually perfect.Execpt that a Cell Jr. would destroy Sylar in one hit and Cell Jrs. can regenerate and would become stronger if greviously injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Look it up yourself, there is no mention of a magazine by that name other than those interviews, if you can find something I missed that proves it isn't a hoax I'll concede but as it stands your credibility is in question. It's nothing personal, I assure but your source has been called into question and you need to back up said source.So My credibility is in question? After you attacked it the first time I never brought it up strongly ever again. I have been arguing on a different plane than you apparently. Frankly if you were to completely disregard that Quote I wouldn't mind as it does not hinder my argument in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 So My credibility is in question? After you attacked it the first time I never brought it up strongly ever again. I have been arguing on a different plane than you apparently. Frankly if you were to completely disregard that Quote I wouldn't mind as it does not hinder my argument in the slightest.You were using that argument to restrict or speed, that and non-canon quotes. With those out of tyhe way our speed calcs are fair game and you get blitzed before you can do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 It is your contradiction that prevents you from being a "good debater"!No, being versatile is the mark of a Good Debater. If I can pick a side and argue well no matter my personal felling, then I have done good by being a real Debater. Afraid less than perfect actually, The energy stealing doesn't work as it can be counterd. And, Cell is to fast and will punish his children if he sees on on the attack.It's not energy, it's shape. As well, he wouldn't see the attack as it's not a punch or a kick or a Ki blast at all, it's just a touch. Execpt that a Cell Jr. would destroy Sylar in one hit and Cell Jrs. can regenerate and would become stronger if greviously injured.First, They usually only Punch people, Second Sylar Regens, Third, while the Jr's hand is Through Sylar he disintegrates it and takes it's shape. Note that Disintegration would leave nothing to come back from... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 You were using that argument to restrict or speed, that and non-canon quotes. With those out of tyhe way our speed calcs are fair game and you get blitzed before you can do anything.Actually no, I have been proving your calcs are invalid. With the fact that Even IF IT were to be FTL, they cannot effectively use it in a fight. That Vegeta was surprised that Goku was able to go to the other side of the planet in under a second when apparently Super Speed at FTL speeds could do that too. This would moot any and all Super FTL Speed Feats from the Frieza Saga. As well, I have effectively dis-proven Datasnakes Calcs, and they were your only other calcs on the playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 No, being versatile is the mark of a Good Debater. If I can pick a side and argue well no matter my personal felling, then I have done good by being a real Debater. It's not energy, it's shape. As well, he wouldn't see the attack as it's not a punch or a kick or a Ki blast at all, it's just a touch. First, They usually only Punch people, Second Sylar Regens, Third, while the Jr's hand is Through Sylar he disintegrates it and takes it';s shape.And if say they were to disenigrate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 And if say they were to disenigrate him.But would they? Why waste Ki on someone like Sylar who has less than 100 Power Level... They would Punch him, and then they would die... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 No, being versatile is the mark of a Good Debater. If I can pick a side and argue well no matter my personal felling, then I have done good by being a real Debater. The way of a real debate is to debat on your personal standings, otherwise it isn't a debate as much as a coward's way out. It's not energy, it's shape. I was talking about the energy taking performed by Cell as stated as use by Trech. And yes, I do believe Cell would use a ki blast on a Cell Jr had it attacked as Cell isn't strong enough to kill one with fists alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 But would they? Why waste Ki on someone like Sylar who has less than 100 Power Level... They would Punch him, and then they would die...Can he copy their power level if so, his ki would still feel different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 But would they? Why waste Ki on someone like Sylar who has less than 100 Power Level... They would Punch him, and then they would die... I believe with his powers added up, he would be higher than 100. And yes, I believe they would disintegrate him as they would find his lack of power not fun and just kill him off with a blast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I believe with his powers added up, he would be higher than 100. And yes, I believe they would disintegrate him as they would find his lack of power not fun and just kill him off with a blast.We need to debate Zreth too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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