The Perfect Team: The Villains Finals

[IKA]

We need to debate Zreth too.

 

 

Remind me of his team

[Skirmisher]

The way of a real debate is to debat on your personal standings, otherwise it isn't a debate as much as a coward's way out.

Ok then, My personal standing here is to win the debate for my team. Because I am Against DBZ here I have to Debate Against it using EVERYTHING in my arsenal. Just because you find your self on the other side of the gun doesn't give you the right to try and attack me and call me a Coward.

 

Frankly, I believe that we are now one step closer to throwing the word "Fanboy" Around...

 

 

I was talking about the energy taking performed by Cell as stated as use by Trech. And yes, I do believe Cell would use a ki blast on a Cell Jr had it attacked as Cell isn't strong enough to kill one with fists alone.

But therein lies the problem, Cell would not see it as an attack as it wouldn't' look like an attack:

 

A cell jr stumbles into Cell, Cell Exclaims "You bumbling oaf! Wait, What did you do to me!" and then crumbles into dust, leaving not a cell left to regen from.

[Skirmisher]

Can he copy their power level if so, his ki would still feel different.

No, because they all have Ki Disruptor - a technique that hides their own Power Level. his Ki would look just like all the rest because it wouldn't be there in great quantity.

 

 

I believe with his powers added up, he would be higher than 100.

 

And yes, I believe they would disintegrate him as they would find his lack of power not fun and just kill him off with a blast.

No, like all sadistic creature that they are, they would attempt to toy with their kill before killing it. As such no Ki blasting, for at least one attack and that would be all that Sylar needs.

 

As for his powers... I'm not sure what drives Heroes Powers, but I do know that it probably isn't Ki...

[IKA]

Ok then, My personal standing here is to win the debate for my team. Because I am Against DBZ here I have to Debate Against it using EVERYTHING in my arsenal. Just because you find your self on the other side of the gun doesn't give you the right to try and attack me and call me a Coward.

 

Frankly, I believe that we are now one step closer to throwing the word "Fanboy" Around...

 

No, I never called you a coward, I said that was coward's tactics. I realize why you are using them, it's just throwing every debate you had before hand away for this mere game that bothers me. And If you are willing to do that, how can we ever take what you say in a debate seriously?

 

Also I never called you a fanboy as I know you certainly are not one.

 

But therein lies the problem, Cell would not see it as an attack as it wouldn't' look like an attack:

 

A cell jr stumbles into Cell, Cell Exclaims "You bumbling oaf! Wait, What did you do to me!" and then crumbles into dust, leaving not a cell left to regen from.

 

He could sense the Ki and even if he took shape, he would still have a different Ki feeling/level.

[Nesh]

Ok then, My personal standing here is to win the debate for my team. Because I am Against DBZ here I have to Debate Against it using EVERYTHING in my arsenal. Just because you find your self on the other side of the gun doesn't give you the right to try and attack me and call me a Coward.

 

Frankly, I believe that we are now one step closer to throwing the word "Fanboy" Around...

 

 

 

But therein lies the problem, Cell would not see it as an attack as it wouldn't' look like an attack:

 

A cell jr stumbles into Cell, Cell Exclaims "You bumbling oaf! Wait, What did you do to me!" and then crumbles into dust, leaving not a cell left to regen from.

I believe you're reffering to hi melting power, I see no reason by turning Cell from a solid to liquid would destroy his cells completely and stop him from regenerating.

[IKA]

I believe you're reffering to hi melting power, I see no reason by turning Cell from a solid to liquid would destroy his cells completely and stop him from regenerating.

 

 

Let alone a Cell Jr.

[Skirmisher]

I believe you're reffering to hi melting power, I see no reason by turning Cell from a solid to liquid would destroy his cells completely and stop him from regenerating.

No

 

http://heroeswiki.com/Disintegration

 

Oh, and apparently it doesn't require Touch...

[Nesh]

Skirmisher, ki is the innate inner energy, everyone's ki, whether surpressed or not feels diffent. The reason shapeshifting works so well in Heroes is because no one can sense ki.

[Nesh]

No

 

http://heroeswiki.com/Disintegration

Yes but Sylar would die via speedbilitz first and if any portion of Cell survives he regenerates.

[IKA]

Yes but Sylar would die via speedbilitz first and if any portion of Cell survives he regenerates.

 

 

But he wouldn't even get that far, he gets blitzed by a jr.

[Nesh]

But he wouldn't even get that far, he gets blitzed by a jr.

I know.

[Skirmisher]

Yes but Sylar would die via speedbilitz first and if any portion of Cell survives he regenerates.

That's if he survives total Disintegration. If there is no cell to regen from there is no Cell.

 

 

But he wouldn't even get that far, he gets blitzed by a jr.

That he may, but then he just disintegrates the Jr, takes it's shape and then regens from the damage. But still, apparently Sylar doesn't need to touch his victims to Disintegrate them, so Cell Dies off the get go when he's pooping out Jr.s...

[Marvel Man]

Hmm...

 

This is tough. Skirmisher bested me with his villain team, so logic points to me helping his foes. However, he is blasting the DBZ-Debate-Squad-Team-Group Thing with facts... Facts that I agree with.

 

Hmm...

 

Hey, Skirm why are they sort of focusing on debating yours and leaving me empty handed?

They're thinking smart. Divide & Conquer. If they somehow defeat Skirm, then they'll have the firepower needed to defeat anyone!

 

No, I never called you a coward, I said that was coward's tactics. I realize why you are using them, it's just throwing every debate you had before hand away for this mere game that bothers me. And If you are willing to do that, how can we ever take what you say in a debate seriously?

 

Also I never called you a fanboy as I know you certainly are not one.

This is just crazy. Are you seriosly upset because Skirmisher is debating against DBZ?

 

Yeah, Skirmisher usually leans that way, but as a debater Skirmisher is tasked with debating. In this debate, the sides have been chosen. Skirmisher thinks his side wins. You guys think your side wins. Now you each show what your side has while poking at your opponents' gaps.

 

Anyways, I'll be watching...

[Nesh]

That's if, he survives total Disintegration. If there is no cell to regen from there is no Cell.

 

 

 

That he may, but then he just disintegrates the Jr, takes it's shape and then regens from the damage. But still, apparently Sylar doesn't need to touch his victims to Disintegrate them, so Cell Dies off the get go when he's pooping out Jr.s...

He'd have to think to actiate it and by the ime one is killed they'll have discovered his regen via him healing from the blitz and just vaporize him.

[IKA]

This is just crazy. Are you seriosly upset because Skirmisher is debating against DBZ?

 

Yeah, Skirmisher usually leans that way, but as a debater Skirmisher is tasked with debating. In this debate, the sides have been chosen. Skirmisher thinks his side wins. You guys think your side wins. Now you each show what your side has while poking at your opponents' gaps.

 

Anyways, I'll be watching...

 

NO, I'm not upset that he is arguing against DBZ. I'm upset that he is contradicting himself to do so. He is arguing for what he has a long time reputation of aruging against.

[IKA]

That he may, but then he just disintegrates the Jr, takes it's shape and then regens from the damage. But still, apparently Sylar doesn't need to touch his victims to Disintegrate them, so Cell Dies off the get go when he's pooping out Jr.s...

 

 

He wouldn't have enough time to react. And if Blitzed by Cell Jr, he wouldn't have time to shape shift before he dies and is disintegrated.

[Nesh]

Wait total bloodlust is on right? So wouldn't Vegito just it hem all with Kamehameha and go on to battle Buu with Cell's help?

[IKA]

Wait total bloodlust is on right? So wouldn't Vegito just it hem all with Kamehameha and go on to battle Buu with Cell's help?

 

 

Yep. If Bloodlust is on.

 

But If blood lust is on, he wouldn't stop to think about his friends...

[Nesh]

Yep. If Bloodlust is on.

 

But If blood lust is on, he wouldn't stop to think about his friends...

Both Cell and Vegito are FTL in all respects an know instant transmission kamehameha. They could gather energy and wipe out the majority of Skirms team befor they can think Buu being the only survivor and then he go goes down hard.

[Skirmisher]

He'd have to think to actiate it and by the ime one is killed they'll have discovered his regen via him healing from the blitz and just vaporize him.

Not after both Revan and Seph slow down with their Force abilities and magics...

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Slow for Revan and

 

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Slow_%28Spell%29

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Slow_%28Status%29 For Seph

 

 

This would reduce Cells speed to mere Human limits, and allow Sylar and Tartarus the chance to not get blitzed.

[Nesh]

Not after both Revan and Seph slow down with their Force abilities and magics...

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Slow for Revan and

 

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Slow_%28Spell%29

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Slow_%28Status%29 For Seph

 

 

This would reduce Cells speed to mere Human limits, and allow Sylar and Tartarus the chance to not get blitzed.

Agian these require focus and/or time to use. You don't have that luxuary.

[Skirmisher]

He wouldn't have enough time to react. And if Blitzed by Cell Jr, he wouldn't have time to shape shift before he dies and is disintegrated.

But Cell does not start with Jr's on the field of battle, he has to poop them out, and That takes time. He's also not going to Blitz them out of his ass since even Hercule a mere human was able to say "What the hell's he doing?" This would allow Revan and Seph the chance to use their magic and force abilites to slow Cell down to the point where Sylar can just disintigrate Cell well before he even gets to poop even ONE cell Jr. out.

 

 

Wait total bloodlust is on right? So wouldn't Vegito just it hem all with Kamehameha and go on to battle Buu with Cell's help?

No, it's not on, CBUB's never really used total Bloodlust. We still use what a Character would most likely do in a giving situation. That's why we have Set-ups and all that. What is the most likely thing that Vegito would do? He would target the most powerful Fighter on my team that he can see (Sensing Ki, he'd only see Buu)

 

So no, Vegito would not just go out there and Blow them up for no reason. Not that he could anyway... I doubt that he's be stupid enough to leave himself open to attack from Buu, no matter how powerful he is.

 

 

Yep. If Bloodlust is on.

 

But If blood lust is on, he wouldn't stop to think about his friends...

Yet this is the CBUB, where Logic and reason are supposed to hold sway. But I digress, it would be up to Trech to allow or disallow Bloodlust, and throw out any sort of Character Logic.

 

 

Both Cell and Vegito are FTL in all respects an know instant transmission kamehameha. They could gather energy and wipe out the majority of Skirms team befor they can think Buu being the only survivor and then he go goes down hard.

Not really, as there is nothing that says that they are FTL. You have not proven it, and all your calcs saying that they are anywhere near that level have been blown out of the water long ago.

 

There is more evidence in DBZ to suggest that they are not FTL than there is to suggest that they are FTL.

 

If you want you can Sum up Every calc you have and lay your cards down on the table and hope that at least one gets through my grasp and somehow proves that your fighters are even somewhat FTL... but I don't think that will happen.

[IKA]

But Cell does not start with Jr's on the field of battle, he has to poop them out, and That takes time. He's also not going to Blitz them out of his ass since even Hercule a mere human was able to say "What the hell's he doing?" This would allow Revan and Seph the chance to use their magic and force abilites to slow Cell down to the point where Sylar can just disintigrate Cell well before he even gets to poop even ONE cell Jr. out.

 

That is assuming Cell uses his Jrs. I say Cell just blows them all to hell.

 

Not really, as there is nothing that says that they are FTL. You have not proven it, and all your calcs saying that they are anywhere near that level have been blown out of the water long ago.

 

There is more evidence in DBZ to suggest that they are not FTL than there is to suggest that they are FTL.

 

I could prove it, but there is no need to, the fact of the matter is, your guys are slower and will die without a fighting chance. Without enough time to do anything.

[Nesh]

That is assuming Cell uses his Jrs. I say Cell just blows them all to hell.

 

 

 

I could prove it, but there is no need to, the fact of the matter is, your guys are slower and will die without a fighting chance. Without enough time to do anything.

Ok to start, lets look at episode 127 of dragonball, episode name “quicker than lightning†http://www.watch-dragonball.com/watch/127-...pisode_127.html

 

In this episode, goku, as the episode suggests, dodges lightning. Lightning has at its fastest been recorded at half the speed of light, HALF!

 

The speed of light is 299792.458 km/s... so half is 149896.229 km/s

In this saga which is the 22nd tenkaichi Gokus’ power level is 265, so Goku was able to dodge lightning at 265

 

265(pl) = 149896.229 km/s

 

Now if we flash to the frieza saga, the last ever officially recorded power level is friezas’ second form... 1,000,000

 

So 1,000,000 / 265 = 3773.5849056604 (to three points I think would be better)

 

So at this level of only a mere one million, speeds of

149896.229 km/s times 3773.584 ( as this is the multiple of the original dodge speed)

Can be reached, which is

565646011.414 km/s which is already 1886.792 times the speed of light.

 

 

 

So 1,000,000(pl) = 1886.792 times the speed of light.

 

If you want me to go further.

 

Id just take estimates that come closest to dbz wiki http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Power_levels

As their maths seem pretty sound

 

 

DBZ = faster than light

 

 

In DBZ everything grows according to power level. The reason power levels were dubbed useless was imply because of ki supression, nothing more. This math is sound, even if we to lightning at it's slowest, 1/3 lightspeed they'd be FTL by a large margin.

[Skirmisher]

I could prove it, but there is no need to, the fact of the matter is, your guys are slower and will die without a fighting chance. Without enough time to do anything.

Your also forgetting that they is the usual DBZ Monologueing and taunting during the opening parts of the fight, as well as the usual hour long Powering up segments of them yelling alot...

 

My team would not do that as I have Horus, who has Tzeentch backing him. Tzeentch can see the future and he can help my team alot through Horus. Not only that but Horus then instantly conveys this vital information to all of my other fighters just before the fight starts.

 

They would know to Prod Cell and Vegito to talk, which would give them the time they need.