Guest Zreth Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I'd ebate you but I don't want my worthless teammates to rely on me.No problem I can wait but for no let's just lie down and relax.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 No problem I can wait but for no let's just lie down and relax....Fine by me, I've had to do all the work for my side; I doeven care who wins this. If I split my time between you and Skimisher I lose, I'm one guy fighting a two front war a lone with worty advasaries on either side. Heck, I've already PMed Treach and told him to give you the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Fine by me, I've had to do all the work for my side; I doeven care who wins this. If I split my time between you and Skimisher I lose, I'm one guy fighting a two front war a lone with worty advasaries on either side. Heck, I've already PMed Treach and told him to give you the win.Oh, This is actually to judge who will make it in to the next round in our tournament... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Oh, This is actually to judge who will make it in to the next round in our tournament...So why not just have you two debate against each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Fine Zreth, I will debate with you aswell as Skirm. No need to just give him the win Tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 So why not just have you two debate against each other.I don't know this is just how treach did it with the heros. It's really who will have a better chance at their battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 From what I have seen and played in FF VIII, Ultemica used an incantation everytime sheused her time stop ability. Her Incantation takes little time, however, she doesn't have time. Janemba would blow them all to nothingness before she was able to use her incantation. After that, Kid Buu would be the only one left on your team, and Gogeta could take him alone, but i'm sure Janemba would help in the fight making this fight a stomp for my side. And before it's argued, No they'll just monologe and power up for forever as skirm would say. Janemba always kept on the attack never giving any monologe and would attack without a word. Also if you want to say Ultemica can cast timestop without an incantation she still moves to cast it. She wouldn't have time to do that either. And if Ultemica was able to use her time stop (which she wouldn't), whats to stop the reality warping Janemba from stepping out of timestop and still completely killing her? Nothing. You lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 From what I have seen and played in FF VIII, Ultemica used an incantation everytime sheused her time stop ability. Her Incantation takes little time, however, she doesn't have time. Janemba would blow them all to nothingness before she was able to use her incantation. After that, Kid Buu would be the only one left on your team, and Gogeta could take him alone, but i'm sure Janemba would help in the fight making this fight a stomp for my side. And before it's argued, No they'll just monologe and power up for forever as skirm would say. Janemba always kept on the attack never giving any monologe and would attack without a word. Also if you want to say Ultemica can cast timestop without an incantation she still moves to cast it. She wouldn't have time to do that either. And if Ultemica was able to use her time stop (which she wouldn't), whats to stop the reality warping Janemba from stepping out of timestop and still completely killing her? Nothing. You lose.First Ultimecia if where using the normal version does not need a incantation or movement for a time stop it's a whim and for the reality altering janemba how about the army of Gogeta's that she plugs out their brains or how about her being a more powerful reality manipulator. Anoither is that Janemba was never really fast just really strong which is already a major disadvantage. Also i just thought of something since Gogeta is only capable of staying on the area for a set time ultimecia can push time forward and Gogeta will be gone from the battle leaving Janemba alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 First Ultimecia if where using the normal version does not need a incantation or movement for a time stop it's a whim and for the reality altering janemba how about the army of Gogeta's that she plugs out their brains or how about her being a more powerful reality manipulator. Anoither is that Janemba was never really fast just really strong which is already a major disadvantage. Also i just thought of something since Gogeta is only capable of staying on the area for a set time ultimecia can push time forward and Gogeta will be gone from the battle leaving Janemba alone. I want to see proof of these "no incantations needed". Also, Janemba has no fears, and would ultimatley kill everyone before she has time to use any other spells, icluding the pull the fear thing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I want to see proof of these "no incantations needed". Also, Janemba has no fears, and would ultimatley kill everyone before she has time to use any other spells, icluding the pull the fear thing out.Even the video I showed you had no incantation and that was a weaker version. the ability to pull thoughts out and make them reality is instatnt and it doesn't have to be a fear it can be anything in the mind liike a memory of Gogeta, also he doesn't have to have ever thought of t either it can simply be formed out of his mind. So an army of 1000 Gogeta's vs. Gogeta and Janemba........Yeah your side wins.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 So does anyone think that my 1000 Gogeta's will lose to one Gogeta and one Janemba cause if you do I can up the number if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Actually I think I can take on your fantasy SSJ3 Vegito with my army of a thousand Gogeta's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Actually I think I can take on your fantasy SSJ3 Vegito with my army of a thousand Gogeta's.I don't care and I'm too disgusted with I_KNOW_ALL to attempt to bail him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Okay she can stop time but it appears an incantation was involved. (It was in Japanese so I couldn't tell what was being said.) If this is the case she gets *fake word*ed before she can stop time, as Gogeta would want to get the more minor powers out of the way so he could battle Kid Buu and Janemba would help with that. Ok I was going based on what Tech had said earlier and from what remember. I was wrong. However, it appears that she has to slow time before she can stop it. She don't have the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Also I just realized that was Dissidia, that is non-canon. Show me proof from canon FF VIII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I don't care and I'm too disgusted with I_KNOW_ALL to attempt to bail him out. Well, it appears you didn't need to bail me out.. and I didn't ask for it. Would you pm me telling me how I disgust you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Also I just realized that was Dissidia, that is non-canon. Show me proof from canon FF VIIIDissidia is canon as it fits the storyline of each series and has been approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Ok I was going based on what Tech had said earlier and from what remember. I was wrong. However, it appears that she has to slow time before she can stop it. She don't have the time.She does not require the to slow time that's like only in FFVII and that's with upgrading materia so no it's an instant stop. Also what's stopping a Dispel that will make them in capable of attacking or the army of 1000 Gogeta's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treacherous Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 Number of times Treach has referenced Jo Jo: 206 It makes me want to read that manga... Duh, that's the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Dissidia is canon as it fits the storyline of each series and has been approved. It is an alternate universe. non-canon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 She does not require the to slow time that's like only in FFVII and that's with upgrading materia so no it's an instant stop. Also what's stopping a Dispel that will make them in capable of attacking or the army of 1000 Gogeta's. Janemba would attack instantly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 It is an alternate universe. non-canon!No, Dissidia would be like Crisis on Infinite Earths minus the continuity reboot, it's cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 It is an alternate universe. non-canon!No it's the multi-verse of Final fantasy and all of the canon universes of each game are presented of each game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 No it's the multi-verse of Final fantasy and all of the canon universes of each game are presented of each game. They also happened to take place on diffeent planets and at different times. Seeing as how they clash with that, I don't see how it is canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treacherous Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 I've seen Ultimecia pull a Griever thingy out of Squall's mind once or twice, but never an army. Methinks you exaggerate her abilities Zreth. I'm surprised Skirmisher isn't in here trying to shut down your arguments. Hmmm. So tell me, Zreth...do you and Skirm want to go toe to toe instead of against the DBZ group. They seem to be having technical difficulties with the debating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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