The Marvel Zombies VS The Black Lanterns

[Guest Joecorp]

The Marvel Zombies are more of an "infected", than the regular zombies. No one really died to create the zombies, and no one was brought back via the zombie virus. Nekron does squat.

 

As for who had the Power Cosmic, it was Luke Cage, Spider Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Iron Man, and Giant Man. However, with the entire Marvel Universe zombified, characters such as Thanos, or Firelord (who already had the Power Cosmic), the count should be much higher.

 

Also, I see that I was mistaken with the Krypto/Martha event. I give you that.

 

Still, I have to agree with Boston Celtic on Phoenix. During Marvel Zombies 2, Phoenix goes wild on the zonbies, stating that not even with their combined Galactus powers and with the other zombies' help, could they defeat her. They could only infect her (which they did). This implies a higher power level, possibly White Crown.

Don't forget i also said he can take control anyone who HAS died, say maybe The Phoenix....

 

And what's stopping Nekron from just bringing Galactus and Silver Surfer back as Black Lanterns?

[Guest boston_celtics]

Don't forget i also said he can take control anyone who HAS died, say maybe The Phoenix....

 

And what's stopping Nekron from just bringing Galactus and Silver Surfer back as Black Lanterns?

 

There was absolutely nothing left of Galactus or Silver Surfer.

 

And how can he bring back Phoenix if she is STILL ALIVE and has power FAR GREATER than Nekron.

[Guest Joecorp]

There was absolutely nothing left of Galactus or Silver Surfer.

 

And how can he bring back Phoenix if she is STILL ALIVE and has power FAR GREATER than Nekron.

Did they eat their bones? I can't remeber if they did or not.

 

If she has died in the past, he can take her over. Dosn't matter who it is.

[Marvel Man]

Did they eat their bones? I can't remeber if they did or not.

 

If she has died in the past, he can take her over. Dosn't matter who it is.

The Zombie Universe is different from the 616 one. We don't know if it had the same storylines/deaths. For example, instead of Captain, it's Colonel America.

 

Besides, Jean Grey never died as the Phoenix. That was retconed.

[Guest Joecorp]

The Zombie Universe is different from the 616 one. We don't know if it had the same storylines/deaths. For example, instead of Captain, it's Colonel America.

 

Besides, Jean Grey never died as the Phoenix. That was retconed.

It doesn't matter if she died as the Phoenix. If she has EVER died, she can be taken over

 

This is how many times Jean has died

How many times Jean has died.

 

I'm sure at least one of those are in the Marvel Zombies universe.

 

I read Marvel Zombies #5 over again, it does not show what Galactus looks like after he was eaten, so there was no evidence of him being completely devoured. I doubt the Marvel Zombies ate his bones, which means he could be brought back as well.

[Marvel Man]

It doesn't matter if she died as the Phoenix. If she has EVER died, she can be taken over

 

This is how many times Jean has died

How many times Jean has died.

 

I'm sure at least one of those are in the Marvel Zombies universe.

First of all, that list is way off. Let's see...

 

1. Dies Piloting a Crashing Space Shuttle

Uncanny X-Men #101 (October 1976)

 

This was retconned a long time ago. While on the ship, the Phoenix shows up and saves her. Jean is then kept alive while Phoenix impersonates her.

 

http://marvel.com/universe/Phoenix_(Jean_Grey)

 

2. Commits Suicide on the Moon

Uncanny X-Men #137 (September 1980)

 

This was Phoenix, not Jean.

 

3. Erased from existence by Thanos

Infinity Gauntlet #1 (July 1991)

 

Not a death. Being erased from existence means not existing, thus unable to die.

 

4. Killed by Fitzroy’s Sentinels

Uncanny X-Men #281 (October 1991)

 

Her conscious never died. She just had her mind removed from her body. Does Dr. Strange die everytime he goes in the Astral Plane? Did Proffessor X die when he became Onslaught?

 

Nope.

 

5. Age of Apocalypse Jean murdered by Havok

X-Men: Omega (June 1995)

 

Ha! This wasn't even the right Universe. 

 

The rest happen too late to be taken into consideration. Most involve Magneto as Xorn, which would mean he had to have died, which he clearly hadn't in Marvel Zombies.

 

Jean hasn't truly died, thus, is unafected by Nekron. 

 

I read Marvel Zombies #5 over again, it does not show what Galactus looks like after he was eaten, so there was no evidence of him being completely devoured. I doubt the Marvel Zombies ate his bones, which means he could be brought back as well.

Does Galactus even have bones? He's a cosmic entity...

 

Anyways, if he does, why wouldn't they? They ate everyone else's bones. There's even a panel where Bruce Banner's stomach explodes because he ate a large bone as the Hulk.

 

Jean ftw.

[Guest God-Speed_88]

First of all, that list is way off. Let's see...

 

1. Dies Piloting a Crashing Space Shuttle

Uncanny X-Men #101 (October 1976)

 

This was retconned a long time ago. While on the ship, the Phoenix shows up and saves her. Jean is then kept alive while Phoenix impersonates her.

 

http://marvel.com/universe/Phoenix_(Jean_Grey)

 

2. Commits Suicide on the Moon

Uncanny X-Men #137 (September 1980)

 

This was Phoenix, not Jean.

 

3. Erased from existence by Thanos

Infinity Gauntlet #1 (July 1991)

 

Not a death. Being erased from existence means not existing, thus unable to die.

 

4. Killed by Fitzroy’s Sentinels

Uncanny X-Men #281 (October 1991)

 

Her conscious never died. She just had her mind removed from her body. Does Dr. Strange die everytime he goes in the Astral Plane? Did Proffessor X die when he became Onslaught?

 

Nope.

 

5. Age of Apocalypse Jean murdered by Havok

X-Men: Omega (June 1995)

 

Ha! This wasn't even the right Universe. 

 

The rest happen too late to be taken into consideration. Most involve Magneto as Xorn, which would mean he had to have died, which he clearly hadn't in Marvel Zombies.

 

Jean hasn't truly died, thus, is unafected by Nekron. 

 

 

Does Galactus even have bones? He's a cosmic entity...

 

Anyways, if he does, why wouldn't they? They ate everyone else's bones. There's even a panel where Bruce Banner's stomach explodes because he ate a large bone as the Hulk.

 

Jean ftw.

 

Serious, Jean beats Nekron, Spectre, Scar and Black Hand?

[Guest Joecorp]

First of all, that list is way off. Let's see...

 

1. Dies Piloting a Crashing Space Shuttle

Uncanny X-Men #101 (October 1976)

 

This was retconned a long time ago. While on the ship, the Phoenix shows up and saves her. Jean is then kept alive while Phoenix impersonates her.

 

http://marvel.com/universe/Phoenix_(Jean_Grey)

 

2. Commits Suicide on the Moon

Uncanny X-Men #137 (September 1980)

 

This was Phoenix, not Jean.

 

3. Erased from existence by Thanos

Infinity Gauntlet #1 (July 1991)

 

Not a death. Being erased from existence means not existing, thus unable to die.

 

4. Killed by Fitzroy’s Sentinels

Uncanny X-Men #281 (October 1991)

 

Her conscious never died. She just had her mind removed from her body. Does Dr. Strange die everytime he goes in the Astral Plane? Did Proffessor X die when he became Onslaught?

 

Nope.

 

5. Age of Apocalypse Jean murdered by Havok

X-Men: Omega (June 1995)

 

Ha! This wasn't even the right Universe. 

 

The rest happen too late to be taken into consideration. Most involve Magneto as Xorn, which would mean he had to have died, which he clearly hadn't in Marvel Zombies.

 

Jean hasn't truly died, thus, is unafected by Nekron. 

 

 

Does Galactus even have bones? He's a cosmic entity...

 

Anyways, if he does, why wouldn't they? They ate everyone else's bones. There's even a panel where Bruce Banner's stomach explodes because he ate a large bone as the Hulk.

 

Jean ftw.

Number 4 is still valid. It's the same thing with Deadman, while her consciousness and her spirit may still be around, her body was destroyed.

 

I assume because The Marvel Zombies eat meat they would leave the bones. Seeing how most zombies don't eat bones, i figure the Marvel Zombies are the same.

 

I could be wrong, didn't he eat the bone because as The Hulk, he just took a big junk out of him? I could them doing that with some guys, but Galactus bones? No i doubt it.

[Marvel Man]

Serious, Thanos, Shiar Empire, Imperial Guard, Galacti, Phoenix, Firelord, and the rest of the Marvel Universe beats Nekron, Spectre, Scar and Black Hand?

Fixed & Yes.

[Marvel Man]

Number 4 is still valid. It's the same thing with Deadman, while her consciousness and her spirit may still be around, her body was destroyed.

Debateable. Body wasn't even destroyed.

 

I assume because The Marvel Zombies eat meat they would leave the bones. Seeing how most zombies don't eat bones, i figure the Marvel Zombies are the same.

 

I could be wrong, didn't he eat the bone because as The Hulk, he just took a big junk out of him? I could them doing that with some guys, but Galactus bones? No i doubt it.

Well, I still doubt Galactus even had bones. When they ripped the Silver Surfer apart, he had no bones, just energy/meat. Why would Galactus be different? And they never showed any bones.

 

Ever.

 

Not on the streets. Not after they ate somebody. Never.

[Guest Joecorp]

Debateable. Body wasn't even destroyed.

 

 

Well, I still doubt Galactus even had bones. When they ripped the Silver Surfer apart, he had no bones, just energy/meat. Why would Galactus be different? And they never showed any bones.

 

Ever.

 

Not on the streets. Not after they ate somebody. Never.

It doesn't matter if the body wasn't destroyed, if her body was fatally wounded, then that is enough.

 

Galactus would be different because they have completely different body structures.

 

 

...and right now i'm leaning towards him having a skeleton.

[Guest hamtaroblazex]

It won't matter if the Presence supports The Spectre. A Black Lantern retains any power it had before death, so that means The Spectre would be at full strength.

 

While the Power Cosmic will help The Marvel Zombies, it may take a while to realize that white light is a weakness.

 

I could be wrong, but isn't it only Giant-Man, the Hulk, Iron Man, Luke Cage, Spider-Man and Wolverine who has The Power Cosmic? If that's the case, that means it's only 6 useful zombies versus the entire Black Lantern Corps.

 

I havent kept up with marvel zombies, but thats what I thought too...so either its all marvel world zombified or those couple of guys with cosmic...Either way The back lanterns seem better

[Guest Ivan]

Nekron can resurrect and control any dead character, so the Marvel Zombies are now fighting the Black Lanterns plus all of the dead Marvel characters returned as MORE Black Lanterns. That and the Marvel Zombies can't bolster their ranks by biting the Black Lanterns, whereas any time any MZ goes down, it comes back almost immediately as a BL. Then again, as Comics Alliance author Chris Sims pointed out, Nekron has made some terrible choices about who to resurrect.

 

"Eight billion dead Kryptonians and Golden Glider gets a ring? Yeesh."

[Marvel Man]

Interesting thought Ivan. However, I need to recap:

 

On one side, we have the master of the undead. On the other, is someone who's more powerful than Death itself. Who do you think wins? Who controls who?

 

Add to that this:

 

All of the Marvel Zombies

The entire Marvel Universe was a zombie at one time or another. Every cosmic, every hero, every villain, every intergalactic empire. All right off the bat. There. On the spot.

 

That'd be a couple million zombies per Black Lantern, at least. Add to that the sheer power, and I think we all know who wins.

 

Galactus would be different because they have completely different body structures.

...and right now i'm leaning towards him having a skeleton.

Even if he is brought back, he hasn't eaten in how many months? Heck, he probably won't even have powers considering that the Marvel Zombies took it.... By eating him...

 

Wait, that doesn't sound right.

[Guest boston_celtics]

The whole debate over who Nekron can revive is pointless. Marvel Zombies are different from other zombies, so his powers won't work on them because they are not dead, they are in a state superior to life.

 

Phoenix cancels out 80% of the Lanterns herself. That leaves Spectre, and a few others to contend with every single zombiefied entity in the universe, which was about... everything.

[Guest Joecorp]

The whole debate over who Nekron can revive is pointless. Marvel Zombies are different from other zombies, so his powers won't work on them because they are not dead, they are in a state superior to life.

 

Phoenix cancels out 80% of the Lanterns herself. That leaves Spectre, and a few others to contend with every single zombiefied entity in the universe, which was about... everything.

It's not really pointless seeing how he could just take over The Phoenix on the spot.

[Guest Dark Ranger X]

The whole debate over who Nekron can revive is pointless. Marvel Zombies are different from other zombies, so his powers won't work on them because they are not dead, they are in a state superior to life.

 

If this is the argument that is now going to be used, then no more thought should be given to who wins this fight. This fight was originally thought up because to the TC, and pretty much everyone else (including Marvel man because he never mentioned it before Boston), the word "Zombie" meant that the "Zombies" were actually undead, and therefore the Black Lanterns had more than a fighting chance at victory.

 

If what Boston is saying is true, Marvel calling them Zombies is a mistake and shouldn't have occurred. "Marvel Superiors" would have suited them more.

[Marvel Man]

The Marvel Zombies are more of an "infected", than the regular zombies. No one really died to create the zombies, and no one was brought back via the zombie virus. Nekron does squat.

I corrected myself on the second page.

 

Lately, Zombies are being replaced by virus/infected type things. However, Marvel Diseased doesn't sound as cool as Marvel Zombies. Kind of how the "Man of Steel", sounds better than the "Alien who Is Made Out of Flesh, But is Really Tough."

[Guest Ivan]

I'm not sure what Marvel Zombies books y'all are reading, But Marvel Zombies 1,2, and Return all have much smaller casts than are being espoused by most of the Marvel fans. The half of the MZ2 cast that keeps popping up: Phoenix, Thanos, Gladiator, etc is indeed powerful, but the sheer overwhelming billions (with a of Black Lanterns include Daxamites, Kryptonians, every color of Martian, Speedsters, and tons of other powerhouse characters. Zombies have Firelord? Lanterns have Firestorm. Zombies have Gladiator? Lanterns have two different Supermen, Superboy, and Wonderwoman. Zombies have Thanos? How about Grundy, Bizzaro, a couple Flashes, and J'onn. Phoenix is powerful, but can she handle Alexander Luthor, Tempest, Dr. Light, and a dozen others, all of whom are wielding Lantern rings in addition to their own innate abilities?

 

I'm just saying this is a much closer fight than the Marvel fanboys are suggesting.

[Guest boston_celtics]

The title states that every single zombie is there.

 

This insinuates that every single thing ever infected would be part of the fight. This means that virtually the entire Marvel universe would be a part of the fight.

 

And Phoenix could *insensitivity* everything with no sufficient defense. So, all the non-cosmics are therefore rendered moot.

 

And Cosmic Awareness + White Light does the trick anyway.

[Guest Dark Ranger X]

And Phoenix could *insensitivity* everything with no sufficient defense. So, all the non-cosmics are therefore rendered moot.

 

What's to stop the flashes running in at lightspeed and biting Jean before she can do anything at all?

 

I'm not doubting she's got the psionic uber-power, but can she think quick enough to use it before being bitten, and turned into a Black Lantern?

[C.T.]

What's to stop the flashes running in at lightspeed and biting Jean before she can do anything at all?

 

I'm not doubting she's got the psionic uber-power, but can she think quick enough to use it before being bitten, and turned into a Black Lantern?

 

 

The Runner?

[Marvel Man]

Ivan, the second book starts with the Zombies reaching the end of the Universe after eating everything and deciding to go back to Earth and teleport to other Universes.

 

And seriously, the Flash?

 

Yeah... That'll totally work. People with Power Cosmic?

 

Man, they run at 25 mph tops. Except for Thanos. That fattie only gets 10.

 

EDIT: Whoops. Flash isn't a Black Lantern. They're out.

[Guest Zreth]

Ivan, the second book starts with the Zombies reaching the end of the Universe after eating everything and deciding to go back to Earth and teleport to other Universes.

 

And seriously, the Flash?

 

Yeah... That'll totally work. People with Power Cosmic?

 

Man, they run at 25 mph tops. Except for Thanos. That fattie only gets 10.

 

EDIT: Whoops. Flash isn't a Black Lantern. They're out.

No, They don't have Flash but they do have Prof.Zoom

[Marvel Man]

No, They don't have Flash but they do have Prof.Zoom

Bah! His weak and limited powers are nowhere near as dangerous as the Flash's might've been. His power to control his own place in time would do very little against someone who can rearrange the very fabric of time! Entire suns, lives, and Universes could be created and destroyed before Zoom could react.

 

If it was the Runner though?

 

... Nope, same thing would happen.