Ultimate Sith War.

[Guest ricrery]

Which Sith is the most competent and dangerous? In my opinion, Palpy has the strongest ability with the Force, but he doesn't use it much for fights as he does for creating Force phenomena, Starkiller had many problems with this damaged ISD that made him nearly die from the strain (And I'm stuck on the level with it!), and Revan was better as a Jedi... anyways, who do YOU think would win?

[Guest ribbonz]

I don't know much about starwars, but how strong was Darth Maul? he killed Qui Gon Gin (Please do not kill me if that is wrong) i think but then died minutes later. What about Darth Vader? HELP!

[Skirmisher]

I don't know much about starwars, but how strong was Darth Maul? he killed Qui Gon Gin (Please do not kill me if that is wrong) i think but then died minutes later. What about Darth Vader? HELP!

Maul doesn't really rate against these guys. IIRC he lacked training in the Sense part of the Force which allowed Obi-wan to get the Jump on him.

 

Vader could have been great, and they have said such many times... had it not been for that fight on Mustafar (sp?). Anakin Vader had lots of potential, but only had Jedi Knight level training, as well as some minor Sith skills. But then he got sliced up and burned like toast, turning him into half the Sith he could have been...

[Guest boston_celtics]

If Vader had never been horribly disfigured, it would be him.

 

If Starkiller is still uber-god force user in FU2, him.

 

Palpatine is over-rated, in my oppinion.

[Hugo Fowl]

My money is on either Ni or SK. And I agree, Palpy is overrated.

[Guest ricrery]

Sorry, but Palpy was the strongest Sith in history, problem is that he never used his full potential, but, if you count this fight he had with Yoda (the novel), I think Yoda was horribly behind. Well, it just seemed like it, then he's the deadliest person on here.

[Guest Ruinus]

[The Galactic Emperor] had succeeded where all others failed in taming the Dark Side. He would journey across the universe, spreading the shadow of his rule, blotting out the stars themselves, and taking his Dark Rule to other helpless galaxies.”

 

"When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered -- in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane -- only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge."

 

Palpatine, hands down, flat out stated in this source.

 

Spoilers

Starkiller is retarded. He didn't pull down an ISD, he guided an already damaged one as it fell from space so it wouldn't smush him, and he was severely taxed in the process. He also didn't come close to defeating either Vader or Palpatine, as evidence by the fact that after Starkiller dies Palpatine and Vader stand up and have a nice conversation as if nothing happened. They are more angry that the Rebellion leaders escaped than "OMG Starkiller PWNED me I need medical help!"

[Guest LegendX]

Sorry, but Palpy was the strongest Sith in history, problem is that he never used his full potential, but, if you count this fight he had with Yoda (the novel), I think Yoda was horribly behind. Well, it just seemed like it, then he's the deadliest person on here.

Oh, I beg to differ. Palp used his full potential. He mind tricked and a galaxy, resurrected the dead(including himself), and defeated both Mace Windu and Yoda in lightsaber combat. Not to mention telekinetically overwhelming Yoda and defeating 4 or 5 Jedi Council Masters within a few seconds.

Strategically , mentally and with the Force Palp is the strongest. Physically... I'd probably say Bane with a slight edge over Starkiller.

[Guest Zreth]

Jacen Solo in his oneness with the Force where he becomes the Force temporarily but I'm not sure it would count since the Force would be all sides.

[Stranglehold-prime]

I say Palpatine. He was the very first sith we seen use lighting in Star wars return of the jedi.

[C.T.]

I say Palpatine. He was the very first sith we seen use lightning

 

 

Going by real life yes, but he was far from the first in the Star Wars universe.

[Stranglehold-prime]

Going by real life yes, but he was far from the first in the Star Wars universe.

 

 

But Palpatine is so nasty!!! That old buzz gave Marc a hard fight and defeated Yoda with ease. He is like the Star wars devil.

 

Plus he killed his master you can stop people from dying.

[C.T.]

But Palpatine is so nasty!!! That old buzz gave Marc a hard fight and defeated Yoda with ease. He is like the Star wars devil.

 

Plus he killed his master you can stop people from dying.

 

 

Who's Marc?

[Stranglehold-prime]

Who's Marc?

 

I mean Mace windu

[C.T.]

I'd like to say that Revan and Galen would team up, as both of them redeem themselves as Jedi in the end.

[Guest LegendX]

Jacen Solo in his oneness with the Force where he becomes the Force temporarily but I'm not sure it would count since the Force would be all sides.

 

It also wouldn't count since he was a Jedi at the time.

 

I'd like to say that Revan and Galen would team up, as both of them redeem themselves as Jedi in the end.

 

Except that in truth Starkiller has never been a Sith or a Jedi.

[C.T.]

It also wouldn't count since he was a Jedi at the time.

 

 

 

Except that in truth Starkiller has never been a Sith or a Jedi.

 

 

What was he then? Curious.

[Guest Ruinus]

What was he then? Curious.

 

A dark side adept, or something similar. Vader was Palpatine's apprentice, and the Sith adhere to the Rule of Two. Palpatine-> Vader. Starkiller never reaches "Sith" status because he wasn't part of the Rule of Two.

 

Maybe if he had been taught under another person, then he might have, but he wasn't.

[Guest LegendX]

What was he then? Curious.

A Force adept, trained by a Sith Lord. Much the same as Mara Jade.

 

Palpatine and Vader were Sith of Bane's order, thus there could only be two.

[Guest LegendX]

A dark side adept, or something similar. Vader was Palpatine's apprentice, and the Sith adhere to the Rule of Two. Palpatine-> Vader. Starkiller never reaches "Sith" status because he wasn't part of the Rule of Two.

 

Maybe if he had been taught under another person, then he might have, but he wasn't.

Well, yeah... If he and Vader would have actually killed Palp or had Starkiller finished off Vader and joined the Emperor then he would have become a true Sith.

[Guest ricrery]

Well, yeah... If he and Vader would have actually killed Palp or had Starkiller finished off Vader and joined the Emperor then he would have become a true Sith.

 

 

I own the special edition with Hoth, AKA when he is working for Palpy to kill Luke.

[Guest boston_celtics]

First of, Starkiller BEAT Vader. And Palpatine. If you read the FU Novel, or actually played Force Unleashed, you would know this. If he hadn't, why exactly was Vader's armor ripped apart, why didn't Vader help his master when Starkiller was fighting him, and why did Palpatine wait until Starkiller turned his back to him before attacking?

 

Moving a Star Destroyer sized vessel is something I haven't seen Vader do, or Palpatine, so how exactly is this not an impressive feat?

 

And Palpatine never manifested the kind of Force Potential Luke or Vader had, and if he was so powerful, how did Han Solo manage to kill him?

 

Galen Marek was never Sith, though. He defeated the two Sith Lords when he became a Jedi, so he isn't actually supposed to be a contender.

 

If Starkiller isn't a contender, it would have to be Darth Caedus. He is probably the most knowledgeable of all the Sith, and the one with the greatest knowledge of Force Techniques.

 

Starkiller is retarded. He didn't pull down an ISD, he guided an already damaged one as it fell from space so it wouldn't smush him, and he was severely taxed in the process. He also didn't come close to defeating either Vader or Palpatine, as evidence by the fact that after Starkiller dies Palpatine and Vader stand up and have a nice conversation as if nothing happened. They are more angry that the Rebellion leaders escaped than "OMG Starkiller PWNED me I need medical help!"

 

I'll remember this if Starkiller is indeed still alive in Force Unleashed 2.

[Guest Ruinus]

First of, Starkiller BEAT Vader. And Palpatine. If you read the FU Novel, or actually played Force Unleashed, you would know this. If he hadn't, why exactly was Vader's armor ripped apart, why didn't Vader help his master when Starkiller was fighting him, and why did Palpatine wait until Starkiller turned his back to him before attacking?

 

Starkiller beat Vader and Palpatine in the same way that Mace beat Palpatine: ie not at all. I have played Force Unleashed, and throughout the entire thing I never once thought "Oh wow, Starkiller PWNZ all". Flashy moves =/= power.

 

Canon ending:

Let's see:

Vader's armor is ripped: So what? Ripped armor =/= defeated.

Why didn't Vader help Palps: Because Vader know's that Starkiller has no chance of killing Palpatine, and went off to get stormtroopers to capture the Rebels.

Why did Palpatine turn his back: Because Palpatine likes using ruses to pretend he is weak and give his opponents a sense feeling of superiority. In fact, notice how Starkiller flat out states: "He's stronger than you know."

 

In fact, notice after Starkiller does that whole "I explode save yourselves!" thing. Vader's armor is ripped up and Palpatine isn't even damaged. And yet, what are they doing? Are they standing about as if they were just about to die? Are they in any rush to get medical aid? Are they limping, holding their arms in pain or any other thing that shows they are hurting?

 

No, they are pissed that the Rebels got away.

 

Tell me: If you went up against two enemies and had to basically suicide bomb yourself to even distract them so that you friends get away, are you stronger than them? No, you are not.

 

Moving a Star Destroyer sized vessel is something I haven't seen Vader do, or Palpatine, so how exactly is this not an impressive feat?

 

Except that he didn't move it, he didn't rip it out of the sky and brought it down of his own sheer will, it was already falling from space.

 

Notice the giant plumes of smoke. The book even states that this whole thing took a tremendous toll on his body, and he barely survived doing so.

 

Starkiller

"On Raxus Prime, Starkiller fought his way through the Imperial troops stationed there and reached an ore cannon that was being used to launch refuse into space. Starkiller overloaded the cannon and it miraculously redirected the shot at the shipyard, destroying it. Unfortunately for Starkiller, it also damaged a Star Destroyer. Careened out of orbit and was closing in on Starkiller. Kota told Starkiller to use the force to take it down and crash it into the ore cannon. Starkiller succeeded and incredibly survived the crash and ensuing destruction."

 

The reason I think people always say "Starkiller brings down ISD therefore he is badass" is because they remember

scene, whereas the real scence is

(skip to 1:18).

 

One scene (which never occurs in game) shows Starkiller yanking a fully operational star destroyer out of the sky and standing there all badass as he stops it right in front of him. (AWESOME!)

 

The other scene shows Starkiller struggling to stop a damaged star destroyer from falling atop of him as it comes crashing onto the planet, and he still has to give up his position to make sure the front of the ship didn't smash him. (pfffft)

 

And Palpatine never manifested the kind of Force Potential Luke or Vader had, and if he was so powerful, how did Han Solo manage to kill him?

 

Han Solo does not kill Palpatine, Vader does. (The first time.)

 

BTW I like how you didn't read my earlier post.

 

The Dark Side Sourcebook:

"[The Galactic Emperor] had succeeded where all others failed in taming the Dark Side. He would journey across the universe, spreading the shadow of his rule, blotting out the stars themselves, and taking his Dark Rule to other helpless galaxies.”

 

"When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered -- in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane -- only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge."

 

Flat out stated that Palpatine was the strongest Sith ever. End of story.

[Guest Ruinus]

BTW: I am surprised that Vader isn't on this list. He is the central character of the entire STAR WARS saga, and yet he isn't on there? Hilarious.

[Guest ricrery]

BTW: I am surprised that Vader isn't on this list. He is the central character of the entire STAR WARS saga, and yet he isn't on there? Hilarious.

 

 

Are you considering him powerful? Starkiller beat Vader, and there is the "other" option.