Indolent Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 why don't u head on over to the new thread i made about brolyits in the CBUB general discussions forum. Since everyone seems to be on broly, head over to the "Broly's power is maximum" thread in the CBUB general discussions forum.I noticed that, lol. Alright, I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nuan07 Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 nice to see someone else has come to their senses concerning 'canon' why has this even come about anyway???... back on track, goku takes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AKUMA Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 nice to see someone else has come to their senses concerning 'canon' why has this even come about anyway???... back on track, goku takes thisKNOW IT ALL brung it up....for some reason...then skirm tagged along... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 KNOW IT ALL brung it up....for some reason...then skirm tagged along...I don't tag along, I brought up a valid point and discussed alternatives. Nesh can even tell you that Brolly is no stronger than a SSJ2, which based on what Cell was claiming was no more than a System Buster. So then if Brolly < Cell then how could he have Busted a Galaxy. This and the fact it doesn't fit the timeline means that it is Non-Canon to the main series, and cannot be used to accurately gauge a main cannon characters power. But still, Goku as SSJ3 would have been able to beat Buu (if he didn't mess around) who was confirmed in non-filler as a Galaxy Buster, the first and only Canon Galaxy Buster in DBZ too. Since DBZ places no actual separation between Power to Destroy a Galaxy and the Power of a Person then SSJ3 Goku was Galaxy Buster. So if SSJ3 Goku = Galaxy BusterAnd OF Thor = Galaxy Buster Then it's equal based on Strength alone... but Goku has an edge. He has his entire Life's Experience fighting Super Powered foes who at times were much more powerful than he was in battle. As well as his Martial Arts which he has practiced throughout his life of Training and Battle. As well as the fact that all of his considerable intelligence is put into being Battle Smart, which leads him to look like an idiot when not in battle... IMO Another edge is that I believe that Ki attacks would prove the Better Weapon than Thor's Hammer. With the Hammer you can only do so much in this fight, but Ki is varied in it's use. It can be used to amplify Goku's power, or create invisible attacks, create disks of energy that can slice through ANYTHING, Lens the Sunlight to produce a Blinding Flair of light, move instantly from one location to another, all in addition to just throwing it at people in a Beam or Ball. (there are still more techniques of using Ki out there that are different, but these are the ones Goku knows) Goku wins by having equal power, better experience & training, battle smarts, and a better weapons than Thor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Super Perfect Cell said he could blow away the solar system. SS2 Gohan uses his full power to kill Cell, where they locked two equal beams with each other and he slain Cell. This would confirm SS2 Gohan as a solar system buster at least. Broly busted the galaxy, we all know that. Sooo..... Galaxy Busting > Solar System Busting. And if that's not enough, he's pawned five guys, who all together fought him and definitely, power level wise combined, surpass SS2 Gohan's power levels... and that's without Broly taking a break. Gohan did not learn how to go Super Saiyan until after he trained with his father in the hyperbolic chamber. So its safe to say.... the fight between those guys occurred before the Cell Games as they were given ten days by Cell and training in the Hyperbolic chamber is one year inside while a day outside. That means out of the ten days, they could have fought any of the nine days, or do whatever they want, like take a break and go to a picnic (When then led to the battle between Broly and the Z-Fighters). Plus think about it. The Z-Fighters are capable of hurting Cell and killing him, especially Goku (Maybe, he's always seemed to come through anyways) and Gohan. And they're not that much stronger at this point if you think about it, following the storyline of when Gohan gained his Super transformation, but of course, Gohan's SS2 excludes him as well. But this can still be used to gauge the fighters. Broly takes a likely full powered Kamehameha, at SS1 no less, capable of planet busting as Goku's beaten Frieza who was capable of busting planets with 1% of his power (so possibly that Kamehameha blast might even be beyond planet-busting at that point as Goku's gotten stronger since last he fought Frieza), to the face and does not suffer any injuries at all, none, it just made Broly laugh his ass off. He also takes on four super saiyans, and one super namek. Gohan did not learn how to go Super Saiyan until after he trained with his father in the hyperbolic chamber. So its safe to say.... the fight between those guys occurred before the Cell Games as they were given ten days by Cell and training in the Hyperbolic chamber is one year inside while a day outside. That means out of the ten days, they could have fought any of the nine days, or do whatever they want, like take a break and go to a picnic (When then led to the battle between Broly and the Z-Fighters). Another note, Broly was defeated... due to an old knife he has as he was stabbed whilst a infant. Goku's punch reopened the old wound. Its happened before, old wounds bleeding even though they've been healed in real life. So without it, the Z-Fighters would have died. This all makes sense, sense enough to the point where it can be used to accurately determine Broly's power. Non-Canon has no place on this website... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AKUMA Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 I don't tag along, I brought up a valid point and discussed alternatives.yes, atleast u did provide a reason for yours unlike KNOW iT ALL... i see where ur going, and thats true providing broly cant beat a SS2 which is debatable to some...but it is very difficult to compare canon with non canon as u stated..i agree...but we still do it... i found this picture on the wiki a few days ago and i want to see what everyone thinks about it... so what do u think? think this is legit? is from the 'Daizenshuu' so it says on wiki... its hard to say because in the canon gohan dosent really achieve ss2 again untill he was forced to dish it out for kabito.and he had gotton weaker from not battling or training for 7 years... plus one could argue the trasformation appearance for a SS2... in this statement from wiki, one sums up an expalnation of how gohan was an a SS2 in the second broly movie... "During Gohan's fight with Broly, Gohan says "He's still as much of a challenge as the last time I fought him!" Since Broly was primarily using his Super Saiyan form (as opposed to his stronger Legendary Super Saiyan form, which had been his dominant form in their last encounter), this implies that Broly may have become significantly stronger (since Gohan experienced a significant power gain upon his Super Saiyan 2 transformation, which he could not access when they last fought). This notion is further substantiated by Gohan's statement saying that he [Gohan], too, had become stronger since their previous confrontation. The Japanese version also supports this, saying that Broly had even powered up since they last fought." so whats the input... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 yes, atleast u did provide a reason for yours unlike KNOW iT ALL... i see where ur going, and thats true providing broly cant beat a SS2 which is debatable to some...but it is very difficult to compare canon with non canon as u stated..i agree...but we still do it... i found this picture on the wiki a few days ago and i want to see what everyone thinks about it... so what do u think? think this is legit? is from the 'Daizenshuu' so it says on wiki... its hard to say because in the canon gohan dosent really achieve ss2 again untill he was forced to dish it out for kabito.and he had gotton weaker from not battling or training for 7 years... plus one could argue the trasformation appearance for a SS2... in this statement from wiki, one sums up an expalnation of how gohan was an a SS2 in the second broly movie... "During Gohan's fight with Broly, Gohan says "He's still as much of a challenge as the last time I fought him!" Since Broly was primarily using his Super Saiyan form (as opposed to his stronger Legendary Super Saiyan form, which had been his dominant form in their last encounter), this implies that Broly may have become significantly stronger (since Gohan experienced a significant power gain upon his Super Saiyan 2 transformation, which he could not access when they last fought). This notion is further substantiated by Gohan's statement saying that he [Gohan], too, had become stronger since their previous confrontation. The Japanese version also supports this, saying that Broly had even powered up since they last fought." so whats the input...LMAO, that just about trashes everyone's theories of Broly being weaker than SS2 and better yet, Broly was giving SS2 Gohan a hard time in his NORMAL Super Saiyan form... EXCELLENT Find Akuma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nuan07 Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Super Perfect Cell said he could blow away the solar system. SS2 Gohan uses his full power to kill Cell, where they locked two equal beams with each other and he slain Cell. This would confirm SS2 Gohan as a solar system buster at least. Broly busted the galaxy, we all know that. Sooo..... Galaxy Busting > Solar System Busting. And if that's not enough, he's pawned five guys, who all together fought him and definitely, power level wise combined, surpass SS2 Gohan's power levels... and that's without Broly taking a break. Gohan did not learn how to go Super Saiyan until after he trained with his father in the hyperbolic chamber. So its safe to say.... the fight between those guys occurred before the Cell Games as they were given ten days by Cell and training in the Hyperbolic chamber is one year inside while a day outside. That means out of the ten days, they could have fought any of the nine days, or do whatever they want, like take a break and go to a picnic (When then led to the battle between Broly and the Z-Fighters). Plus think about it. The Z-Fighters are capable of hurting Cell and killing him, especially Goku (Maybe, he's always seemed to come through anyways) and Gohan. And they're not that much stronger at this point if you think about it, following the storyline of when Gohan gained his Super transformation, but of course, Gohan's SS2 excludes him as well. But this can still be used to gauge the fighters. Broly takes a likely full powered Kamehameha, at SS1 no less, capable of planet busting as Goku's beaten Frieza who was capable of busting planets with 1% of his power (so possibly that Kamehameha blast might even be beyond planet-busting at that point as Goku's gotten stronger since last he fought Frieza), to the face and does not suffer any injuries at all, none, it just made Broly laugh his ass off. He also takes on four super saiyans, and one super namek. Gohan did not learn how to go Super Saiyan until after he trained with his father in the hyperbolic chamber. So its safe to say.... the fight between those guys occurred before the Cell Games as they were given ten days by Cell and training in the Hyperbolic chamber is one year inside while a day outside. That means out of the ten days, they could have fought any of the nine days, or do whatever they want, like take a break and go to a picnic (When then led to the battle between Broly and the Z-Fighters). Another note, Broly was defeated... due to an old knife he has as he was stabbed whilst a infant. Goku's punch reopened the old wound. Its happened before, old wounds bleeding even though they've been healed in real life. So without it, the Z-Fighters would have died. This all makes sense, sense enough to the point where it can be used to accurately determine Broly's power. Non-Canon has no place on this website...almost word for word how i would have said it, i will honestly find a hat latter on to take off to you good sir... and the cell games idea, me and catnips have already discussed ourselves, and am in full agreement, awesomely seen. plus i think the way goku won, was such a plot line cop out, brolly realistically should have destroyed all of them... and dont ever give up that position on 'canon' its the right one, period! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 almost word for word how i would have said it, i will honestly find a hat latter on to take off to you good sir... and the cell games idea, me and catnips have already discussed ourselves, and am in full agreement, awesomely seen. plus i think the way goku won, was such a plot line cop out, brolly realistically should have destroyed all of them... and dont ever give up that position on 'canon' its the right one, period! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nuan07 Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 nice Akuma, taking in consideration power loss and gain, obviously its hard to really give any accurate figures or anything like that, but even still its pretty damn close and obvious to a certain extent that this shows that brolly is at least around a SS2 level, and thats at first form, not legendary... taking into account the brolly effect and the fact that his power in constantly increasing as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LegendX Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Non-canon feats are applicable ONLY when non-canon characters are being used. If this fight were Thor vs Broly then all his feats and related feats would count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nuan07 Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Non-canon feats are applicable ONLY when non-canon characters are being used. If this fight were Thor vs Broly then all his feats and related feats would count.no such thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LegendX Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 no such thing...What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Non-canon feats are applicable ONLY when non-canon characters are being used. If this fight were Thor vs Broly then all his feats and related feats would count.That's kind of a contradiction, is it not? If you're going to use them when said character's in the battle then why not use them even when that character's out of battle? What's the difference? Canon or Non-Canon? Doesn't matter. Shouldn't matter. This site, I believe Nuan said, prides itself on the use of feats to debate character matches... I didn't hear whether they be canon or non-canon. Hell, the matches on here are what you would call "Non-canon". Again, what's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nuan07 Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 What?'Non-canon' there is only exists and doesnt...different time lines and dimensions bring about different incarnations of characters.otherwise you have approved and not approved and every artist has complete control over his work... otherwise suing would ensue, common sense. Approved = 'canon'not approved = 'non-canon' this convo has been done to death by now... (normally this is where you say, not in manga therefore.... blah //its approved, valid//) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nuan07 Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 That's kind of a contradiction, is it not? If you're going to use them when said character's in the battle then why not use them even when that character's out of battle? What's the difference? Canon or Non-Canon? Doesn't matter. Shouldn't matter. This site, I believe Nuan said, prides itself on the use of feats to debate character matches... I didn't hear whether they be canon or non-canon. Hell, the matches on here are what you would call "Non-canon". Again, what's the difference?no that was catnips, i would love to take cred but he'd only whine if i did hahahah although i did mention the feats thing a long long long time ago, i believe treach has it saved on his comp or something as he constantly refers to it exactly the entire premise of this site is 'non-canon' and everyother reason that has been mentioned... oh dont forget the original creator argument. you know, the one where well if you say akira didnt make, well what has stan lee made in marvel recently???..... oooohh yeah..... silence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LegendX Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 That's kind of a contradiction, is it not? If you're going to use them when said character's in the battle then why not use them even when that character's out of battle? What's the difference? Canon or Non-Canon? Doesn't matter. Shouldn't matter. This site, I believe Nuan said, prides itself on the use of feats to debate character matches... I didn't hear whether they be canon or non-canon. Hell, the matches on here are what you would call "Non-canon". Again, what's the difference?Ya know, I had this same issue years ago, when I first joined this site. Let me attempt to clarify... Broly may be non-canon to the DBZ main story-line, but he is still an actual existing character, tied in to a separate canon. If he is being use in a fight then his feats must be use in the debate or else your arguing So-and-So vs Thin Air. If we were to use any non-canon source fan fics would be acceptable for debate. That would mean that I could draw a panel where Superman destroys the Milky Way and five other galaxies when he accidently let himself blink too hard and that would be admissible. In short non-canon source are only acceptable when...1) the author decides that it is 2) Non-canon material is directly involved in the match up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Ya know, I had this same issue years ago, when I first joined this site. Let me attempt to clarify... Broly may be non-canon to the DBZ main story-line, but he is still an actual existing character, tied in to a separate canon. If he is being use in a fight then his feats must be use in the debate or else your arguing So-and-So vs Thin Air. If we were to use any non-canon source fan fics would be acceptable for debate. That would mean that I could draw a panel where Superman destroys the Milky Way and five other galaxies when he accidently let himself blink too hard and that would be admissible. In short non-canon source are only acceptable when...1) the author decides that it is 2) Non-canon material is directly involved in the match upOr what specific character it is, like Golden age Superman... ETC. that's different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LegendX Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Or what specific character it is, like Golden age Superman... ETC. that's different.Yeah. If the author had specifically said that this Goku was the one from whatever series Broly came from than his feats as far as they related to Goku would be entirely usable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nuan07 Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 If we were to use any non-canon source fan fics would be acceptable for debate. That would mean that I could draw a panel where Superman destroys the Milky Way and five other galaxies when he accidently let himself blink too hard and that would be admissible. In short non-canon source are only acceptable when...1) the author decides that it is 2) Non-canon material is directly involved in the match up???? what the hell ???.... madness oozing from ever orifice...fan fic... what???? seriously now, where did that come from??? everything has been approved by the original writer Akira toriyama... so your whole 'canon' argument is moot. not going to keep repeating myself, just re-read earlier post to save me the time... you basically backed up my point.... thank... you... ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Yeah. If the author had specifically said that this Goku was the one from whatever series Broly came from than his feats as far as they related to Goku would be entirely usable.Nooooooo...... Did you not read my previous posts? Logically, what I said makes it work. And even SS3 Goku vs. Broly would still be a viable match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LegendX Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 ???? what the hell ???.... madness oozing from ever orifice...fan fic... what???? seriously now, where did that come from??? everything has been approved by the original writer Akira toriyama... so your whole 'canon' argument is moot. not going to keep repeating myself, just re-read earlier post to save me the time... you basically backed up my point.... thank... you... ?????First off I was not addressing you. Second I'm not a DBZ fan and have no idea what is or is not canon. Nor do I care. Third I'm not actually arguing anything I was explaining to Panzer why we generally do not use feats considered non-canon in debates around here, simple. If you choose to consider everything canon than that's you choice, but it puts you in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 First off I was not addressing you. Second I'm not a DBZ fan and have no idea what is or is not canon. Nor do I care. Third I'm not actually arguing anything I was explaining to Panzer why we generally do not use feats considered non-canon in debates around here, simple. If you choose to consider everything canon than that's you choice, but it puts you in the minority........Let me ask you this. Are the matches here Canon? If one uses a non-canon character's feats while said character is in a match, then what's the difference if they're used outside the matches? They're basically the same thing. I thought this site prided itself on the use of feats on for all of its characters in the Database....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nuan07 Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 First off I was not addressing you. Second I'm not a DBZ fan and have no idea what is or is not canon. Nor do I care. Third I'm not actually arguing anything I was explaining to Panzer why we generally do not use feats considered non-canon in debates around here, simple. If you choose to consider everything canon than that's you choice, but it puts you in the minority.who cares if you were addressing me, if what i have to say is relevant then it should be put forward... reminds me a of a little 'canon' argument.no you seem to be confusing yourself and the situation concerning 'canon' and not making much sense and almost ignoring points that counteract what you are saying and makes is pointless. it does put me in the minority, of the sane, ruled by common sense and logic... its nice here, a bit breezy, but plenty of sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 who cares if you were addressing me, if what i have to say is relevant then it should be put forward... reminds me a of a little 'canon' argument.no you seem to be confusing yourself and the situation concerning 'canon' and not making much sense and almost ignoring points that counteract what you are saying and makes is pointless. it does put me in the minority, of the sane, ruled by common sense and logic... its nice here, a bit breezy, but plenty of sun.Dude, do you have a bit of... Superiority Complex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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