Guest LegendX Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 .......Let me ask you this. Are the matches here Canon? No. They are hypothetical. If one uses a non-canon character's feats while said character is in a match, then what's the difference if they're used outside the matches? They're basically the same thing. If a non-canon character is in a match the their feats have to be used. Really that part should be self explanatory. By definition non-canon is not tied in to some defined canon and thus becomes it's own canon.It isn't even really a question of canon so much as continuity. Think of it like alternate universes. In some other universe I may be a world class powerlifter, or a prize fighter or a doctor. That doesn't mean I'd be capable of lifting 700lbs, taking a Heavyweight Title or performing open heart surgery in this one.Look at Batman... Adam West vs Christian Bale. Two almost entirely different characters, same name. It may not always be such big differences between versions, but it still stands that a characters feats do do not cross over into separate continuities.There are exceptions like the new Star Trek movie. It apparently share the same background continuity as the original series, but then breaks away at that point to become it's own continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Ahhh, that's a part of what we're saying. But nonetheless, even Non-Canons like Broly can fit in the storyline if you think it logically. I'm not saying hes part of the storyline though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LegendX Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Ahhh, that's a part of what we're saying. But nonetheless, even Non-Canons like Broly can fit in the storyline if you think it logically. I'm not saying hes part of the storyline though.Maybe I'd say that depends entirely on just how much the same Goku is from one version to the next. You'd be able to use Goku as a measure for Broly's abilities, but not so much the opposite way since the events never happened in mainline continuity(or so I've heard). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AKUMA Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 this canon arguement is still goin on... umm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Maybe I'd say that depends entirely on just how much the same Goku is from one version to the next. You'd be able to use Goku as a measure for Broly's abilities, but not so much the opposite way since the events never happened in mainline continuity(or so I've heard).Yes. Would you say that... Dragonball GT is not canon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LegendX Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 this canon arguement is still goin on... umm.... I know... Shoot me if I ever get into that again. Yes. Would you say that... Dragonball GT is not canon?Don't know. Never been into DB. I was speaking from what little I've retained of what I've heard on the boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nuan07 Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 Dude, do you have a bit of... Superiority Complex?no no no, BOW!!! hahahaha no i just speak common sense, and i dont really pretty words up much or beat around the bush. and psychologically it would seem from my statement that i actually have a inferiority complex, normally a person projects the opposite spectrum to mask their complex, for example napoleon, small dog big bark... simple psychology... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 no no no, BOW!!! hahahaha no i just speak common sense, and i dont really pretty words up much or beat around the bush. and psychologically it would seem from my statement that i actually have a inferiority complex, normally a person projects the opposite spectrum to mask their complex, for example napoleon, small dog big bark... simple psychology... Mhhhhh... Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nuan07 Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 Maybe I'd say that depends entirely on just how much the same Goku is from one version to the next. You'd be able to use Goku as a measure for Broly's abilities, but not so much the opposite way since the events never happened in mainline continuity(or so I've heard).but if you think about it logically, it makes perfect sense, for a start there are no alternate universe in DBZ so thats out, Brolly fits in in the 10 days training in the cell games... gohan is SSJ which only happens in cell saga, he does not activate SSJ2 which he learns during his fight with cell. so by that logic the film could not have happened before or after those points the in DBZ timeline. so you must calculate using the figures and feats provided at that time... your alternate universe argument is entirely moot.... even if the brolly movie was hosted in a parallel universe, all the facts are the same, they use Ki, they has the same abilities and base stats and fighting style and genetics and everything is exactly the same.... so your doctor point is pretty pointless.... surely this 'canon' argument is over, iv ended it a few times now alone... its just common sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nuan07 Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 Mhhhhh... Okay.glad i could help now we all understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhenomenalOne Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I have Goku taking it against regular Thor just barely though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treacherous Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Asura wins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Asura wins.This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 All this talk makes me want to jump in. A few things to mnention that people like to forget Thor gets hit and hurt by weaker people all the time. Goku cannot destroy a galaxy!!!Buu did not destroy a galaxy Thor only could destroy a galaxy if the writers smoked drugs and decided to allow him to do it Remember as it has been said in this thread, not even can the Celestials destroy a galaxy so neither can any "god". But I could be wrong and probably am wrong. So it comes down to this; Thor in any movieversion is not even close to a city buster,and no where near as fast as Goku is made out to be. Thor in any anime/cartoon show is no where near as powerful as any version of GokuThor in most comics( that I have) make Thor to be wry powerful, but even then some issues and or comics he is also weak. Goku in all versions is pretty powerful( as he can be at that time of his life) and does not fluctuate much which to me says that Marvel is full of crap while DBZ might not be good to some but DBZ has kept it real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Delta Force Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Thor is a solar system buster , Odin is a galaxy buster ,and Celestials are muti galaxy busters. One Celestial is about 10 full powered Odins and with that I'm probably selling them short. Thor at full power can stalemate WWHulk. Also has the best chance of winning in all of marvel earth in 1on1. All Goku has is speed and thats kind of moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darksaiyajin345 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Thor is a solar system buster , Odin is a galaxy buster ,and Celestials are muti galaxy busters. One Celestial is about 10 full powered Odins and with that I'm probiley selling them short. Thor at full power can stalemate WWHulk. Also has the best chance of winning in all of marvel earth in 1on1. All Goku has is speed and thats kind of moot.Goku is a multi solar system buster so he easily out classes Thor in busting power,skill,and reaction time and Thor is physically stronger (As far as what he can pick up striking power is still up in the air.) and flight speed (Since Goku can't fly at FTL speeds.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Goku is a multi solar system buster so he easily out classes Thor in busting power,skill,and reaction time and Thor is physically stronger (As far as what he can pick up striking power is still up in the air.) and flight speed (Since Goku can't fly at FTL speeds.)Thor outclasses Goku in experience, reaction time, strength, flight speed, and overall power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Delta Force Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Goku is a multi solar system buster so he easily out classes Thor in busting power,skill,and reaction time and Thor is physically stronger (As far as what he can pick up striking power is still up in the air.) and flight speed (Since Goku can't fly at FTL speeds.) Thor alone is solar system buster. Thor with odin force multi solar system buster. Also Thor can fly at light speed. And since every one uses feats for this fight Thor>Sentry>SS3Goku. Yes I know how to use A>B>C logic. Also Thor has Never Shown full strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Thor wins via experience??? Stupid logic since natural talent beats that. Example Hulk beating the snot out of Thor everytime. Hulk is like hat 40 years old and Thor is 1000's Stop using lame excuses guys Thor cannot destroy a solar system. He can destroy a Sun at moat but not shoot an omni directional shot that engulfs 1 light year. Oh and reaction time guys? Hulk not only punches Thor. He also punches him always and Hulk is not light speed comic mechanics is one thing but to always say Thor is 100% is lame Goku does IT all day and would pose a threat for sure Stop saying reaction time like it's a power. Neither is experience if anything Goku has more since he actually trains ad not just swig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Thor alone is solar system buster. Thor with odin force multi solar system buster. Also Thor can fly at light speed. And since every one uses feats for this fight Thor>Sentry>SS3Goku. Yes I know how to use A>B>C logic. Also Thor has Never Shown full strength. This. ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 By the way I am saying Goku has a great shot vs Average Thor Higher level Thor with his best showings would beat him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Delta Force Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Thor wins via experience??? Stupid logic since natural talent beats that. Example Hulk beating the snot out of Thor everytime. Hulk is like hat 40 years old and Thor is 1000's Stop using lame excuses guys Thor cannot destroy a solar system. He can destroy a Sun at moat but not shoot an omni directional shot that engulfs 1 light year. Oh and reaction time guys? Hulk not only punches Thor. He also punches him always and Hulk is not light speed comic mechanics is one thing but to always say Thor is 100% is lame Goku does IT all day and would pose a threat for sure Stop saying reaction time like it's a power. Neither is experience if anything Goku has more since he actually trains ad not just swigExperience won't win you every fight but it won't lose you any fight neither. For example Student vs Master. Now any one can tell you the master has a higher skill level he knows all the tricks of the trade. The Student he has fought the Master and never won a single match. Now with every fight the Student gains more experience putting him ever so closely to the masters level. Why, because he knows his opponent. Which gives him a chance to practice at his and opponent's weaknesses. Note: Hulk beating Thor is highly debatable since most people see Thor as holding back. Now this is where your argument goes from wood to wet tissue paper. A solar system is the collection of planets and their moons in orbit around a sun. Destroying the sun can do nothing but destroy the solar system. Hulk is one of Thor's power worthy opponents. He fights Hulk at his own game. Which Hulk is very good at since its his only power set. Also anything at a superhuman level is a super power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Delta I know what a solar system is and haven never seen Thor create a blast large enough to engulf an entire system. Again people saying Thor is holding back needs to stop, why would he not defeat him? Would you lose to hulk multiple times, or go hard enough to not kill Hulk, but stop him? Answer is he is weaker. Thor has magic powers, but not like he can do it w/o the hammer and he is not a wizard or sorcerer. I.E. Dr strange is more powerful in magic than Thor is. Now what about someone that is a natural? Like your student master analogy, and this happens, where the student is just better than the master. Roshi beat Goku at first due to experience, but you woul think that would help him out later, but again natural talent overpowers experienceLogan loses to Gambit usually and Logan has more experience. Etc. You get my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 ... Thor at full power would utterly annihilate The Incredible Hulk with relative ease. Doesn't have to be Rune King Thor or Odinforce Thor. Could just be Classic Thor. The thing is: Thor is a honorable warrior and he considers the Hulk to be another, which is why he restrains himself via limiting himself to hand to hand for the most part. He fights on the others' terms out of sheer respect and honor. That and its been clearly shown that he restrains himself against all adversaries because he is well aware that if he let loose, the cosmos itself would suffer. An example is when he basically went toe to toe with Beta Ray Bill in terms of strength, a nearby planetoid crumbled under the sheer force of the impacts of both's blows from a distance. Not only does Thor have several millenias worth of combat experience and training, he has sheer talent. I recall a scan where he was training in his young years he manages to defeat one of the prominent members in Asgard in combat. My memory might be skewed but yes. Fact is: Thor can move at light speed/beyond, fight at light speed/beyond, annihilate entire solar systems with ease, shatter planets through sheer strength , withstand a supernova (I recall an instance where a Supernova occurred whilst he was combating Drax the Destroyer who had a Power Gem at the time) and the hammer he wields has many powers of its own that only makes Thor a more dangerous threat. Goku could be a good fight, yes. But the fact is, Thor outclasses Goku and would utterly crush him if he didn't restrain himself and fought on an even footing for Goku's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 I understand, but it's not fact that he holds back, it's called bad/good or inconsistent writing. Show me where he says he holds back in all his fights! Plus not to sound like a broken record, in marvel they have so many plot holes and dumb writing that should we always assume that a person can do what his highest fears are? I mean if we put all Thor's feats from low to high end, wouldn't it be better if we took the average feat and called that realistic? I mean if we say Ssj3, we assume he can do all his techniques but no one has said Goku at Ssj3 can scream open a portal through dimensions right? Nor do we say that technically Goku can technically destroy a Galaxy since he never has. Fact is that Thor is not that powerful on average and people say he can move light speed as if he was just walking. He needs his hammer for all his magical needs like lightning, teleporting, absorbing/ redirecting energy and even to fly.Every time I see Thor w/o his hammer he is just plain old rookie in my opinion. Goku has no such weakness and also is pure good, so he could potentially use the hammer or at least evade it with IT. People use reflexes as a power, but I still don't get people here acting like it's a power or a feat of worth. "Thor has Ftl reflexes". Not true as many people weaker have hit him. Also he gets shot by lasers and bullets which are so slow that no one should say he can effectively move that fast w/o his hammer assisting him. Thor has been training for year upon years means something, but not that does not automatically means he wins, Sentry is young compared and he beat him up fast and then asked him to kill him. Good points and I do say Thor wins since he can live in space w/o dying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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