Guest Ghost Tiger Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Then why doesn't Gladiator just do that in every fight if its so effective? Like I said the 100x speed of light thing has been shown once in his entire history in comics, you are taking his VERY top feats shown only once or twice in comics and disregarding how he normally fairs in fights, which would put him slightly above WW physically but not so far its unfair. This fight they are in character so I don't see how it is likely he will do something he has NEVER done in comics before, which is fly into someone with his fists at 100x the speed of light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ghost Tiger Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Besides Gladiator had trouble lifting the Baxter Building.....Diana has moved 1/3 of the Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarvelFan15 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Besides Gladiator had trouble lifting the Baxter Building.....Diana has moved 1/3 of the Earth. Gladiator lifts Shi-ar starrships as a side-job. Do you know how much those things weigh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ghost Tiger Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 I am just going to guess since they are in space nothing ....but in all seriousness I doubt its equivalent to moving 1/3 of the Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarvelFan15 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 I am just going to guess since they are in space nothing ....but in all seriousness I doubt its equivalent to moving 1/3 of the Earth. Ehh...Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarvelFan15 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Nice Wonder Woman pic, By the way, Ghost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ghost Tiger Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Thanx...and I don't mean to make this sound like I don't think Glads can win....he is a powerful opponent....just presenting my points on why Wonder Woman could also win....and why I think she could win more than she would lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarvelFan15 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Thanx...and I don't mean to make this sound like I don't think Glads can win....he is a powerful opponent....just presenting my points on why Wonder Woman could also win....and why I think she could win more than she would lose. That is the point of a debate...I'll look for scans later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ghost Tiger Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boston_celtics Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Then why doesn't Gladiator just do that in every fight if its so effective? Like I said the 100x speed of light thing has been shown once in his entire history in comics, you are taking his VERY top feats shown only once or twice in comics and disregarding how he normally fairs in fights, which would put him slightly above WW physically but not so far its unfair. This fight they are in character so I don't see how it is likely he will do something he has NEVER done in comics before, which is fly into someone with his fists at 100x the speed of light. That tactic is called charging, and it is generaly accepted that in fights, both characters are bloodlusted and will do anything to win. GLadiator has punched planets apart. MUCH MORE IMPRESSIVE then pulling 1/3 of the Earth. Also, can I see proof that DIana was actually pulling 1/3 of the Earth? For all we know, Superman was pulling 3/4 of the Earth and Diana and J'onn were sharing 1/4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ghost Tiger Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Actually no it takes much more energy to move a planet out of orbit than it does punch it till it crumbles. Also the planet in question that gladiator punched till it crumbled , we have no idea how big it was or what its geological make-up was like. Has never done what you claimed he would do in a fight so i don't see it as a likely option for him, he has been angry and bloodlusted before an not done it. I also have seen a scan that shows Modern Superman and Wonder woman are in the same strength category, and MM is also accepted as similar in strength therefore since all three are said to have similar strength and all three were straining while pulling its logical that they were pulling similar loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boston_celtics Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Proof that pulling 1/3 of a planet is harder than punching it apart? And, even if you take away the charge tactic, Gladiator is STILL faster than Wonder Woman, and Superman for that matter, who haven't (to my knowledge) show flight speed coming near that fast. Glads>>Superman and WW in flight speed. Thus, it is only the next logical conclusion that: Glads>>Superman and WW in combat speed. And the 100x lightspeed feat, even though it only occured once, is STILL a feat. It's called a high-end feat. What are Diana's high-end feats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ghost Tiger Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 All the handbooks relate that he needs to accelerate to reach 98% the speed of light and then and only then can he enter hyperspace to allow him to go faster than light speed. I will repeat - he needs to enter hyperspace to go faster than light and as with virtually all flyers he needs to accelerate to get to this speed. So he cannot react at 100 times the speed of light. Flight speed in a direct line is not the same as reaction speed or the power of super speed - that why it's call flight speed - so as not to confuse the 2. Super speed is what Flash possesses - you seen it a million times - everything around him appears to be staue still - even bullets passing through the air towards him. He is moving and processing information thousands of times faster than us. Even with Gladiators limited appareanaces he has not really displayed this ability. Did he wipe out the FF or the X-men when he fought them - in less than 5 seconds by super speed punching all of them. No he did not. Did he do this trick to Thor when they fought. No he did not. If he had Thor would not have landed a blow on him - Gladiator would have simply been to fast in reaction time for Thor. Since when can you deduce from flight speed how fast someone can fight. that makes no sense whatsoever. As far as high end feats diana is written a lot more consistently than gladiator. She has feats like pulling 1/3 the earth, defeating Superman, taking hits from characters as strong as or stronger than Superman, defeating gods, and demons, etc. She consistently shows reflexes to catch/deflect bullets and fight characters with superspeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ghost Tiger Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 As for the argument that moving a planet is harder than destroying one (with an unknown size, composition, and age mind you) scientists have calculated that focused energies equivalent to a few megatons of TNT or an earthquake of magnitude 7 on the Richter scale, would be sufficient to crack the earths crust. So if gladiator could provide that much force with a blow from his fists over and over, then it may be sufficient to get the effect of a chain reaction going. i would wager gladiator can probably hit with that amount of force, I mean he is an immensely powerful character. However, this energy is an insignificant fraction of that needed to move a planet weighing in at 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Tons, meaning earth. Modern Nuclear weapons could administer a blow equal to a few megatons of TNT. Do to the fact that nuclear test have never been able to even budge the earth it is safe to say that the amount of energy needed to destroy a planet is an insufficient amount of energy o actually destroy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarvelFan15 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 As for the argument that moving a planet is harder than destroying one (with an unknown size, composition, and age mind you) scientists have calculated that focused energies equivalent to a few megatons of TNT or an earthquake of magnitude 7 on the Richter scale, would be sufficient to crack the earths crust. So if gladiator could provide that much force with a blow from his fists over and over, then it may be sufficient to get the effect of a chain reaction going. i would wager gladiator can probably hit with that amount of force, I mean he is an immensely powerful character. However, this energy is an insignificant fraction of that needed to move a planet weighing in at 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Tons, meaning earth. Modern Nuclear weapons could administer a blow equal to a few megatons of TNT. Do to the fact that nuclear test have never been able to even budge the earth it is safe to say that the amount of energy needed to destroy a planet is an insufficient amount of energy o actually destroy it. Umm...Not really. Cracking the crust, and cracking the whole planet have major differences. Not to mention the fact that blowing the planet up would require those peices to escape the pull of gravity from the other peices. That takes a lot of force. Also, the fact that the Earth would weigh 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Tons under it's own gravity does not qualify in space, where it's simply held in place by its inertia, and not weight/gravitational forces. Technically, Supes, WW, and Martian, did not pull that much weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ghost Tiger Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 The Earth flies in orbit at 1,100 miles a minute. Earth is held in orbit by the suns gravity, not its own. Since it is moving outward at a speed of 1,100 miles a minute and its mass is 5.9736×10^24 kg is has enormous force and it would take incalculable energy just to alter its course slightly. Massive meteor impacts and nuclear detonations have had no effect whatsoever on the planets orbit. The point I was making with the destroying a planet is that if you cause a massive crack in the crust, then chain reaction ensues. Beneath the crust the Earth is not solid or stable. Once again I would like to stress the fact that the planet in question is of unknown size (thought it seems relatively smaller than Earth), and unknown composition (certain planets should be far more brittle or weak than others. I still stand strong on my assertion that it takes more energy to more a planet than to destroy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cosmic Deadpool Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 In The Trinity story arc Konvict knocks out Superman in one punch and Wonder Woman keeps on fighting and holds Konvict off alone until Clark regains consciousness, and then she continues fighting Konvict alone (who's power levels were said to be off the charts) while Batman and Superman check the spacecraft and come up with a plan. Wonder Woman is strong enough to pull 1/3 of the Earth, fast enough to react to Superman at FTL, and durable enough to take blows from the strongest the DC Universe has to offer. She is not out of her league. She has thousands of years experience and training fighting the most powerful monsters, aliens and super powered beings from across the Universe. I see no reason to believe that Gladiator is any stronger or faster in battle than Superman is.I've always suspected that Glads at full confidence was faster and stronger than Supes..but if he is starting at normal confidence(as the writer of this battle has stated), then maybe its a closer fight than some of us imagine... Does anyone have any scans to confirm or dispute this feat either way..? Until then, I'm leaning towards Glads due to general badassery on his part...Although I'm still not totally convinced that GT's assesment is far off...~pool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ghost Tiger Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Thanx you for the input....nice analysis of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cosmic Deadpool Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Thanx you for the input....nice analysis of the situation.Not a prob GT and thanks for the compliment... always nice to be the voice of reason..Besides your alias and avatar are kickass so you get gp points on that alone...~pool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ghost Tiger Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Thanx bro, yours are sweet as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarvelFan15 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 The Earth flies in orbit at 1,100 miles a minute. Earth is held in orbit by the suns gravity, not its own. Since it is moving outward at a speed of 1,100 miles a minute and its mass is 5.9736×10^24 kg is has enormous force and it would take incalculable energy just to alter its course slightly. Massive meteor impacts and nuclear detonations have had no effect whatsoever on the planets orbit. The point I was making with the destroying a planet is that if you cause a massive crack in the crust, then chain reaction ensues. Beneath the crust the Earth is not solid or stable. Once again I would like to stress the fact that the planet in question is of unknown size (thought it seems relatively smaller than Earth), and unknown composition (certain planets should be far more brittle or weak than others. I still stand strong on my assertion that it takes more energy to more a planet than to destroy it. Fair enough, but I still hold to my assertion that blowing a planet up requires much more energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ghost Tiger Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 I don't know...Modern Superman blew up a planet all by himself but it took help from WW and Martian Manhunter to move the Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boston_celtics Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 I don't know...Modern Superman blew up a planet all by himself but it took help from WW and Martian Manhunter to move the Earth. That's just inconsistency. Superman is in my belief, capable of both feats by himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest metamutant Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Glady wins a close fight depending on his confidence level, although WW is skilled enough to win some too especially with her magical gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ghost Tiger Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Glady wins a close fight depending on his confidence level, although WW is skilled enough to win some too especially with her magical gear. Fair enough good sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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