Coalition Of Mankind

[Skirmisher]

So, how do you guys think the Coalition of Mankind/Coalition of Aliens would go about unifying their warp-drives/FTL ship engines?

I see Humanity haveing the edge here as they are all Human and have that in common. Add in the fact that the Emperor (Either One) can use their charisma to basically absorb some of the lesser factions into them in order to smooth out the refitting process.

 

The Xeno on the other hand don't really have much in common. In fact, I see them being un-organized in their alliance, with only a few of the Xeno (Tau, Eldar, Covenant, CIS, Yautja and Martians) actually coming together in a decent alliance.

 

The Speed of them coming together is the speed of them being able to refit their ships with existing technology. Their mutual Goals would determine the speed of their Fusion Tech. I would think that Humanity has the edge in both fields. Though, since the Xeno have Many Devastating Trump Cards off the bat, it would be a short War. Either Humanity can develop their tech fast enough to survive, or they are overrun before their R&D can see results.

 

 

Melta weapons sound very similar to Asgard Ion weapons which can burn through all matter and even the most powerful shields like Ori Shields which could take a Naquadah bomb that took off about 40% of a earth sized planet, The Replicators have shown to be extremly resistant to even Asgard Ion weapons.

 

Actually I don't think they're even related. Ion Weapons work like Particle Projectile Cannons, where they fire a beam of highly energized atom/molecules at a target. A Melta works by sub-atomic agitation of the air, and reach Fusion Temperatures, where they can instantly turn even the most heavily armoured tanks into molten slag in under a second, or violently explode people on contact with the beam.

 

 

 

Not all shields just shields that have anything to do with energy. MY proof would be from the Replicators ships which could smash Replicator blocks through Asgard ships shielding and drop swarms of replicators through Asgard planetary shields or that a single Replicator Spider would be able to pass through Ori Shields. Anyways most of the shields if not all don't stop objects in close combat being attack by a nanite swarm would e close combat and maybe thier Necron bits which can now use any weapon of the Necron arsenal instantaneously so if they need to bash through them it won't be that difficult and since the nanites are so smal and I assume the shielding will still let them breath they would be tiny enough to simply pass through the shield.

 

1) MJOLNIR Personnel Shields stop physical contact. Star Wars personal Particle Shields stop physical contact. Void Shields stop physical contact. Federation Shields block physical contact IIRC. That is all I think.

 

2) Assume the political position of the Replicators, all of them. What would their stance on the Necrons be? SG1 versions would attempt to eat them and steel their technology. How about the SGA versions?

 

Now reverse, think like a C'tan. They are arrogant, power hungry, god-like entities that think themselves actual Gods. They would see themselves above the Replicators and would either ignore diplomacy with them, or attempt to coerce and cajole them into submitting to their will. How would the Replicators respond to that?

 

 

All ZPM's in the Pegasus Galaxy have been shown are extremly old and nearly depleted so obviously they can't last long.

Lot's of Theory, lots of "Known Universe this and that", lots of speculations. Frankly they would still need banks of ZPMs on their ships to be able to withstand even Basic IOM weaponry, let alone the Fusion Tech possible yields.

 

 

I don't know the time they ate a planet and turned it into a giant replicator planet.

And then it collapsed in on itself and killed them all IIRC

[Guest MarvelFan15]

I see Humanity haveing the edge here as they are all Human and have that in common. Add in the fact that the Emperor (Either One) can use their charisma to basically absorb some of the lesser factions into them in order to smooth out the refitting process.

 

The Xeno on the other hand don't really have much in common. In fact, I see them being un-organized in their alliance, with only a few of the Xeno (Tau, Eldar, Covenant, CIS, Yautja and Martians) actually coming together in a decent alliance.

 

The Speed of them coming together is the speed of them being able to refit their ships with existing technology. Their mutual Goals would determine the speed of their Fusion Tech. I would think that Humanity has the edge in both fields. Though, since the Xeno have Many Devastating Trump Cards off the bat, it would be a short War. Either Humanity can develop their tech fast enough to survive, or they are overrun before their R&D can see results.

 

Originally, I was going to add a period of time for each faction to get used to each other, and share tech. Would it be possible for Humanity to lay low for awhile (it is a big galaxy), while they update their tech?

[Skirmisher]

Originally, I was going to add a period of time for each faction to get used to each other, and share tech. Would it be possible for Humanity to lay low for awhile (it is a big galaxy), while they update their tech?

Yes and you can thank Inquisitor Kryptman for this one.

 

In dealing with the Massive Threat of the Tyranids he came up with the idea of basically a Rolling Retreat and Scorched Earth plan, that saw the IOM fight the Nids and then pull back and Exterminatus the planets they lost in order to deny them the resources they had spent so much to try and take.

 

All Humanity would need to do is augment the plan slightly, and implement it on a much wider scale and they should be able to buy enough time to at least outfit their existing war machine with best tech available. Then they can actually take the fight to the Xeno and start reclaiming lost ground. Though the units fielded would look not too much differently than what to currently look like, they would probably have various systems integrated like standardized energy shields, and possibly phaser/blaster/plasma weapons.

 

This should also give them enough time and space to put together R&D programs to explore Fusion Tech where the actual New Units would start to take shape. Units like the Ãœber Space Marine, the Grey Jedi Knight, the Black Opps Acolyte, etc.

[Guest Zreth]

Lot's of Theory, lots of "Known Universe this and that", lots of speculations. Frankly they would still need banks of ZPMs on their ships to be able to withstand even Basic IOM weaponry, let alone the Fusion Tech possible yields.

It's no theory if it had actually been within machinary for a couple million years and have all been checked to be partially powered. it takes energy from another universe it only ever actually runs out one the wormhole that it generates collapses from the length in which it had been used. Also they all have essentially an infinite amount of Zpm's with them.

 

 

And then it collapsed in on itself and killed them all IIRC

No, Actually it stayed and was even able to support people and a whole ship on it without collapsing and it also took several nukes. They have even built many planets using Replicators it's not an uncommon thing. Can you atleast say why it won't work.

 

 

For the parts that where in your quote that I couldn't get:

 

About the weapons: Does it still have anything to do with energy or is it just something else?

 

1:I didn't mean what it stops I meant what it is made of like if it's some form of an energy field and I know the UNSC, Republic and Federation use energy based shields.

 

2: Okay, You got me there.

[Skirmisher]

It's no theory if it had actually been within machinary for a couple million years and have all been checked to be partially powered. it takes energy from another universe it only ever actually runs out one the wormhole that it generates collapses from the length in which it had been used. Also they all have essentially an infinite amount of Zpm's with them.

Ok, and just imagine that tech falling into enemy hands. Besides, From what I have seen, it doesn't look like they can put out as much energy as Antimatter/Hypermatter/IOM Power Plants. Since these allow their ships to effectively destroy whole planets with relative ease.

 

 

No, Actually it stayed and was even able to support people and a whole ship on it without collapsing and it also took several nukes. They have even built many planets using Replicators it's not an uncommon thing. Can you atleast say why it won't work.

You're going to have to show me a link, as the only times I saw Replicators eat a planet and make planetary amounts of Replicators was when 1) They they were trapped in a time field which allowed them to do in seconds what should have taken them millenia, and 2) when they ate so much they collapsed their bulk into the planet and destroyed it with a chain reaction.

 

 

About the weapons: Does it still have anything to do with energy or is it just something else?

Heat is energy, but then again so are Kinetics. But the simple fact is that there would be so much energy there that they would not be able to cope with it. Answer me this, have replicators been able to survive being immersed in the core of a Star? IIRC even temperatures as low as Reentry are able to kill them.

 

 

1:I didn't mean what it stops I meant what it is made of like if it's some form of an energy field and I know the UNSC, Republic and Federation use energy based shields.

 

2: Okay, You got me there.

1) All the shields I listed were energy based shields, all of them stop physical matter from passing through them to preset degrees.

[Guest Zreth]

Ok, and just imagine that tech falling into enemy hands. Besides, From what I have seen, it doesn't look like they can put out as much energy as Antimatter/Hypermatter/IOM Power Plants. Since these allow their ships to effectively destroy whole planets with relative ease.

If it fell into enemy hands they could quickly modify the ZPM to make it a super explosive capable of wiping out cotinents if they attempted to draw power from it.

 

 

You're going to have to show me a link, as the only times I saw Replicators eat a planet and make planetary amounts of Replicators was when 1) They they were trapped in a time field which allowed them to do in seconds what should have taken them millenia, and 2) when they ate so much they collapsed their bulk into the planet and destroyed it with a chain reaction.

Actually the time dilation device is actually part of the process if it where only block forms because if they didn't bother to stabaize themselves first they would do what you saw and collapse like what the nanites did but supposedly nanite replicators should take a shorter amount of time to make themselves stable and with time dialation tech it becomes even shorter.

 

 

Heat is energy, but then again so are Kinetics. But the simple fact is that there would be so much energy there that they would not be able to cope with it. Answer me this, have replicators been able to survive being immersed in the core of a Star? IIRC even temperatures as low as Reentry are able to kill them. Wel they have managed the outer edge of a supernova caused by a Naquadah explosion.

 

 

 

1) All the shields I listed were energy based shields, all of them stop physical matter from passing through them to preset degrees. So they all do not work

[Skirmisher]

If it fell into enemy hands they could quickly modify the ZPM to make it a super explosive capable of wiping out cotinents if they attempted to draw power from it.

Whoo! wiping out whole continents is the best they have for over load power output? Compare this to

 

As for modifying to blow. IIRC Mckay said that they can't be set to "Overload".

 

But even then, That's where the Federation comes in with their multiphasic scanimagigs. They could gather all the data that Humanity needs and have the other Tech Powerhouses tinker with turning out their own ZPMs, and even Improving on the design, as it's power output seems to be lesser than that of the IOM/GE/GR

 

 

Actually the time dilation device is actually part of the process if it where only block forms because if they didn't bother to stabaize themselves first they would do what you saw and collapse like what the nanites did but supposedly nanite replicators should take a shorter amount of time to make themselves stable and with time dialation tech it becomes even shorter.

Never seen them actively use that tech after they escaped the planet.

 

 

Wel they have managed the outer edge of a supernova caused by a Naquadah explosion.

I thought that was them dropping an Open Stargate into a Star...

 

 

So they all do not work

Here's the problem with that though. I'm sure that they do let physical matter through, such as air. But I'm sure that they could stop Nanites. Molocules such as O₂, N₂ and CO₂ are quite small, and even the smallest machine would have to be several times bigger than them. Maybe even a couple magnitudes based on it's complexity.

 

So while Shields could let air and other gasses through, I would think that Nanites war too big for it.

[Guest Zreth]

Whoo! wiping out whole continents is the best they have for over load power output?

Well ZPM's have limitless potential it's just what they do to it to take energy from it so apparently ZPM's don't explode so well.

 

As for modifying to blow. IIRC Mckay said that they can't be set to "Overload.

 

But even then, That's where the Federation comes in with their multiphasic scanimagigs. They could gather all the data that Humanity needs and have the other Tech Powerhouses tinker with turning out their own ZPMs, and even Improving on the design, as it's power output seems to be lesser than that of the IOM/GE/GR

 

1)Well Baal managed to modify a ZPM so that it would explode to such a degree that a sliver could destroy a Naquadah bomb testing room, It isn't so much as a setting but an entierly diffrent object with the same parts.

 

2)Well while I do think the IOM and what not's may be able to draw more power from ZPM's I don't think the Fed's will be able to collect blueprints for their creation.

 

 

Never seen them actively use that tech after they escaped the planet.

What would be the point of using it after the escape they where all lead by Fifth and he doesn't just think about consuming everything.

 

 

I thought that was them dropping an Open Stargate into a Star...

And Stargates are made of Naquadah.

 

 

 

Here's the problem with that though. I'm sure that they do let physical matter through, such as air. But I'm sure that they could stop Nanites. Molocules such as O₂, N₂ and CO₂ are quite small, and even the smallest machine would have to be several times bigger than them. Maybe even a couple magnitudes based on it's complexity.

 

So while Shields could let air and other gasses through, I would think that Nanites war too big for it.

No, The bit that let's them to pass through is the fact that with the use of the special traits from Block replicators they can pass through the energy field of the shields. On another note I thought that Void shields are actually portals?

 

Also didn't I already concede defeat?

 

One last thing this is for MF since he gave me a ninja of possibillity to put in my Stargate Replicators if I put some more guys for Humans. First would be The Ori(More Stargate), Terrans (Starcraft), The Nod (or whatever it is from CNC).

 

Also since I added the Ori I am now on the side of Humanity if MF chooses to put them in.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

One last thing this is for MF since he gave me a ninja of possibillity to put in my Stargate Replicators if I put some more guys for Humans. First would be The Ori(More Stargate), Terrans (Starcraft), The Nod (or whatever it is from CNC).

 

Also since I added the Ori I am now on the side of Humanity if MF chooses to put them in.

 

Hmm...I will seriously consider it.

 

Also, I haven't yet added the Replicators to the Xeno's side. Do you still want me to add them?

[Guest Zreth]

Hmm...I will seriously consider it.

 

Also, I haven't yet added the Replicators to the Xeno's side. Do you still want me to add them?

Lhcvggl! Or Yupitty!

[Skirmisher]

Just tallied the numbers up and the Inner Sphere should give the HC about 44,000 battlemechs total of all classes from 20-ton Scouts to 100 ton Assaults.

 

The good thing about these Mechs is that they are fairly easy to repair, there's alot of them, they're technically more agile then IOM and GE Titans, and they only require one pilot to operate.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Hmm...Do the aliens have many mechs?

 

I know about some Covenant mechs, but...?

[Skirmisher]

Hmm...Do the aliens have many mechs?

 

I know about some Covenant mechs, but...?

Tau Empire - Don't really use Titans

Necrons - Never seen nor heard of them using Titans

Tyranids - They have Bio-Titans

The Eldar - Fast, Deadly, very agile Titans, but few of them

Dark Eldar - Don't know, they area Raiding army, so I would think No Titans

Orks - Big lumbering bashed together Titans

The Covenant - Scarabs, Super Hunters?

The Flood - Super Flood Froms

CIS - Any Battledroid thats bigger than infantry/tank sized should fit here.

Xenomorphs - Queens and Kings?

Yautja - None that I can think of

Bugs - Tanker Bugs, Plasma Artillery Bugs, Any Queen type

Martians - They have alot of Walkers that might class as Mech

Replicators - They can do whatever they want.

[Guest ricrery]

Necrons have titans:

 

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Necrons - Never seen nor heard of them using Titans

 

Xenomorphs - Queens and Kings?

 

Replicators - They can do whatever they want.

 

Hmm...Is ricrery's picture correct? Do they indeed use Titans?

 

The Xeno King, I believe, is not a natural occurance, but is a genetically engineered piece of work. Rakai could confirm.

 

 

Whatever they want? They aren't too powerful for this fight, are they?

 

Maybe I should add the Ori...

[Skirmisher]

Hmm...Is ricrery's picture correct? Do they indeed use Titans?

 

The Xeno King, I believe, is not a natural occurance, but is a genetically engineered piece of work. Rakai could confirm.

 

 

Whatever they want? They aren't too powerful for this fight, are they?

 

Maybe I should add the Ori...

He is correct, although I think that pic is just a fan creation. Just checked the Lex and yes there is a Tomb Stalker Super Walker that the Necorns have.

 

The only problem I have with it is that Only one has ever been mentioned in any part of Warhammer. It wasn't even mentioned in any of the Eldar histories, and those two are ancient enemies.

 

 

As for the King, maybe, I was just going by the fact that he's in the CBUB.

 

 

And the Replicators/Ori... Well, The Replicators are very, very powerful, but I could see the Emperor or One of the Vastly Powerful AI's of Humanity *cough* Cortana *cough* easily dealing with them. The Ori might provide a more pressing problem, but weren't they Human? Unless you're talking about the Ascended God versions... Then depending on how many there are, they would either be a force only the Emperor could take on, or they would overpower him and win this by themselves. After all there are no ancients to check their power here.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

And the Replicators/Ori... Well, The Replicators are very, very powerful, but I could see the Emperor or One of the Vastly Powerful AI's of Humanity *cough* Cortana *cough* easily dealing with them. The Ori might provide a more pressing problem, but weren't they Human? Unless you're talking about the Ascended God versions... Then depending on how many there are, they would either be a force only the Emperor could take on, or they would overpower him and win this by themselves. After all there are no ancients to check their power here.

 

I kinda meant: "Maybe I should add the Ori to counteract the Replicators."

[Skirmisher]

I kinda meant: "Maybe I should add the Ori to counteract the Replicators."

oh, well it doesn't really matter. When I was arguing with Zreth about them I forgot completely about the UNSC's capabilities in Electronic Warfare. I would guess that any Smart AI could handle the Replicators, Cortana should be able to annihilate them.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

They'd probably use StarWars tech to perfect the UNSC's A.I.s, and install them on all the new SSM's suits.

[Skirmisher]

They'd probably use StarWars tech to perfect the UNSC's A.I.s, and install them on all the new SSM's suits.

Well aside from their 7 year lifespan due to Rampancy, they're pretty much better than any droid in Star Wars.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Hmm...Then, perhaps the StarWars technicians could integrate a method that halts rampancy?

[Guest ricrery]

Well aside from their 7 year lifespan due to Rampancy, they're pretty much better than any droid in Star Wars.

 

Prove it, standard battle droids have shown intelligence like any Artificial Intelligence. Not talking about the ones that are grown from tubes and etc.

[Skirmisher]

Prove it, standard battle droids have shown intelligence like any Artificial Intelligence. Not talking about the ones that are grown from tubes and etc.

For starters, A Smart AI is built around the design of a Human Brain. They are for all intents and purposes just as smart as the Human they were modeled on.

 

Except being based in Software they become infinity faster than any human. They are capable of preforming multiple tasks that would require extreme concentration at the same time in seconds or less.

 

They have also demonstrated the capacity to hold tremendous amounts of data as shown by Cortana and her copying of the Halo data and Index.

 

They've shown the ability to rapidly Analise and Reconfigure alien systems on the fly under battle conditions.

 

 

This is far beyond ANYTHING a battle droid could ever hope of. After all, the clones were created because they could out think the droids in battle. So, Smart AI > Human > Droid.

 

 

Hmmm... This mean that the CIS is open to attack?

[Guest ricrery]

I think you ignored the androids of SW. They are almost sentient, can learn faster than any human, oh, and can also download information as well as be reprogrammed.

[Guest Zreth]

Actually there is a couple of counters to that, these would be that Block Replicators can't be hacked since they are just a bunch of block that connect and make the illusion of actual electric impulses from a brain this bit would pass on since both of the general of Stargate Rep's are included also the hackable bits of this are based off Ancient tech and the only way you can access Ancient tech is to have the Ancient tech or an open Ancient computer none of which they have. There a also a couple of ways they can figure out how to hack them but still not that affectivley the first would be to somehow take a Replictor Block/Nanite and take the mini Ancient computer in thier and hopefully find a somehow open link before it blows up then they can probably hack them for a bit but Replicators can also send Uber viruses through just about anything whack you but this highly depends on the Nanites computer being dominant but why would they use that like Skirm said Human>Robot sand since Block Replicators can effectivley copy a human brain why not use Block AI, the other would be them to take advantage of the Nanite Replicators annoying habit of copying their creators stuff and for some reason have an open computer but once again a highly dangerous mission that makes you have to enter the base of the Uber kill bots but thenew attributes to the Nanites may change this and make them think diffrently, Finally if the Ori are added then they can simply take Prior genes and reverse engineer it into Ancient genes or just Uber Pwn Laser everything or just make the gene instantly or Uber Pwn Laser everything or just build them a hundred Ancient Computers and bestow the gift of the Ancient gene on them but still this requires them to be up against mainly Nanite and a single block Replicator Spider can still take down an Armada by using their Uber metal against them and highly doubt MF would ust let one of the most powerful armes for the Xenos just get instantly Uber Pwnd.

 

Also I don't think the Necrons can be hacked right so wouldn't that make up?