Guest callisto Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 I know that things could get ugly in a Superman vs Goku match, but this question had to be answered. The Justice League Alpha team, based in the 853th century, watched in fear as Kal Kent, in this case Superman-Prime One-Million, watch out tp the teleported. "You don't have to do this." Wonder Woman pleaded. She know that the universe could implode with this match. "We have to decide this or everyone else will bother us with this forever." Superman replied. "It must be done." With that, he disappeared in the teleported. In the Dragon Ball GT Universe, the Z fighters performed a salut to Goku and Vegeta as they were about to fusion. "Please don't go to this match," Chichi cried out. "You may not come out of this alive honey," Bulma added."Chichi, you know we cannot turn down a fight, especially with a person this powerful." Goku said. Vegeta was silent for a while, then said "Let's do this. The faster we finish this person, the faster I can fight you." With that, they transfused into Super Saiyen 4 Gogeta, the most powerful character in this universe. Thanks to the Supreme Kai, I can keep my transfusion for as long as I like. See you guys later." and with that he disappeared. Both competitors were teleported into an uninhabited planet with no life. The planet is twice the size of Jupiter. They have been told not to destroy the planet. "I admire you power levels very but, but there is no way you can beat me," Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta smirked. "Whatever the income may be, this will end all descussions of who is the better player." Kal Kent said. Both came to their starting positions as they prepared to fight. "Okay we will start this on three." Kal Kent said. "One..." "Three!" Gogeta said as he bursted at his opponent." This will be a long fight, Kal Kent thought as he prepared to block. Let the mayhem begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catnips47 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Kal Kent will be very,very wrong. Especially considering he probably didn't block quick enough. Now, before people begin hurling the whole ''One Million is omnipotent'' thing........he isn't, Omnipotent beings don't use Power rings. Before people claim he erases Gogeta out of existence........he can't, or at least has never shown he can. I am interested how ''Supreme''Kai is able to keep them together for as long as is needed however........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 HE CAN ERASE GOGETA OUT OF EXISTENCE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickthekid Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 You are talking about Kal-El (DC One Million). This one is from the Justice Legion A. He can't wipe Gogeta out of existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 You are talking about Kal-El (DC One Million). This one is from the Justice Legion A. He can't wipe Gogeta out of existence.I know, I was just being an idiot, lol. Gogeta will give him a very good fight but in the end, he will fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catnips47 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 I know, I was just being an idiot, lol. Gogeta will give him a very good fight but in the end, he will fall. I doubt that. The genuine question that should be on people's minds is.....would gogeta unfold his arms.......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 I doubt that. The genuine question that should be on people's minds is.....would gogeta unfold his arms.......?Oh definitely, the truth is Gogeta was seriously down-powered in Dragonball GT, Omega Shenron was as well, even Cell by a long shot in his Perfect Form is stronger than him... Even normal Vegito is stronger than Gogeta at SS4 by that standard. He's definitely unfolding his arms, they're going to be ripped off... Even Vegito is more of a challenge than Gogeta and even so more if he was in SS3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catnips47 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Oh definitely, the truth is Gogeta was seriously down-powered in Dragonball GT, Omega Shenron was as well, even Cell by a long shot in his Perfect Form is stronger than him... Even normal Vegito is stronger than Gogeta at SS4 by that standard. He's definitely unfolding his arms, they're going to be ripped off... Even Vegito is more of a challenge than Gogeta and even so more if he was in SS3... Who said gogeta ssj4? Could be normal, could be ssj - like against Janemba. And no, Gogeta at SSJ4 is the most powerful character in all of DB universe, simple as that. One of the only ''acceptable'' ideas in the 68 episodes of visual torture that GT is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Who said gogeta ssj4? Could be normal, could be ssj - like against Janemba. And no, Gogeta at SSJ4 is the most powerful character in all of DB universe, simple as that. One of the only ''acceptable'' ideas in the 68 episodes of visual torture that GT is.Dragonball GT is not canon... It was not written by Akira Toriyama and it was he who stated that Vegito is the most powerful character in the canon series. As the fusion of Vegito draws out far more power as it is a natural combination, the fusion-ha dance forcibly fuses two people of like power together for a short period of time, drawing out a lot of power but not as great as the potara fusion. Gogeta is insanely powerful, sure, but the way the DGT was written, it made characters seem weaker than they were in DBZ. Nonetheless, Gogeta gets owned, no matter even if he tries to go SS4. If it was SS3 Vegito, that would be a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catnips47 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Dragonball GT is not canon... It was not written by Akira Toriyama and it was he who stated that Vegito is the most powerful character in the canon series. As the fusion of Vegito draws out far more power as it is a natural combination, the fusion-ha dance forcibly fuses two people of like power together for a short period of time, drawing out a lot of power but not as great as the potara fusion. Gogeta is insanely powerful, sure, but the way the DGT was written, it made characters seem weaker than they were in DBZ. Nonetheless, Gogeta gets owned, no matter even if he tries to go SS4. If it was SS3 Vegito, that would be a different story. Akira designed SSJ4. Seeing as GT stands for 'Goku Time' and all goku does is turn ssj4 it's technically more his work than anyone else. Of course your first paragraph is pointless as GOGETA IS IN THIS FIGHT. True, they aren't drawn or animated to look as powerful. But that's irrelevant for two reasons : 1 - The narrative of the story tells us that they are significantly more powerful than they are by the end of Buu 2 - Trying to base strength of DB characters purely from how they are perceived on screen becomes pointless after the Saiyan saga, as technically, everything is being extremely slowed down. Despite this. Despite how monumentally quick they are by the end of GT - you still don't see Gogeta move his fists. Gogeta wraps this up at ssj - Stardust breaker But, above all, people who care about cannon - especially on this site - are sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
575david Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Dragonball GT is not canon... It was not written by Akira Toriyama and it was he who stated that Vegito is the most powerful character in the canon series. As the fusion of Vegito draws out far more power as it is a natural combination, the fusion-ha dance forcibly fuses two people of like power together for a short period of time, drawing out a lot of power but not as great as the potara fusion. Gogeta is insanely powerful, sure, but the way the DGT was written, it made characters seem weaker than they were in DBZ. Nonetheless, Gogeta gets owned, no matter even if he tries to go SS4. If it was SS3 Vegito, that would be a different story.There is no question that GT was written poorly but there is no question that a ss4 Gogeta is the most powerful character in the entire Dragon Ball Universe Gogeta beats Kal Kent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 There is no question that GT was written poorly but there is no question that a ss4 Gogeta is the most powerful character in the entire Dragon Ball Universe Gogeta beats Kal Kent*Sighs* Akira Toriyama also said that Vegito was stronger than Gogeta... But whatever, believe waht you want to believe, Gogeta loses in my opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Akira designed SSJ4. Seeing as GT stands for 'Goku Time' and all goku does is turn ssj4 it's technically more his work than anyone else. Of course your first paragraph is pointless as GOGETA IS IN THIS FIGHT. True, they aren't drawn or animated to look as powerful. But that's irrelevant for two reasons : 1 - The narrative of the story tells us that they are significantly more powerful than they are by the end of Buu 2 - Trying to base strength of DB characters purely from how they are perceived on screen becomes pointless after the Saiyan saga, as technically, everything is being extremely slowed down. Despite this. Despite how monumentally quick they are by the end of GT - you still don't see Gogeta move his fists. Gogeta wraps this up at ssj - Stardust breaker But, above all, people who care about cannon - especially on this site - are sad.No, I care about canon because Gogeta is not the most powerful. And the first paragraph is relevantas you're the one that said Gogeta is the strongest. I am merely pointing out that it was Akira that states that Vegito is stronger... The fusion thing, I just threw that in there because it makes sense. Again, believe what you want to believe, I personally think Gogeta loses and is weaker than Vegito... And no, Akira do not have any part, not even a tiny part, in GT, stop saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catnips47 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 No, I care about canon because Gogeta is not the most powerful. And the first paragraph is relevantas you're the one that said Gogeta is the strongest. I am merely pointing out that it was Akira that states that Vegito is stronger... The fusion thing, I just threw that in there because it makes sense. Again, believe what you want to believe, I personally think Gogeta loses and is weaker than Vegito... And no, Akira do not have any part, not even a tiny part, in GT, stop saying that. I agree, Vegito IS more powerful, considerably more than Gogeta. But ssj Vegito is NOT as powerful as SSJ4 Gogeta. SSJ4 Gogeta is weaker than a SSJ4 vegito - who would be a pointlessly pointless character.SSJ3 Vegito is probably not far off SSJ4 Gogeta. Akira DID involve himself with Gt. He came up with the SSJ4 concept and a few very lose story lines/ ideas. Any one who thinks otherwise is just a fool. There is no way he would have gone ''meh - do what you want'' and left, and there's no way that the writers/creators of GT wouldn't have asked Toriyama for ideas. The sad fact is, Toriyama was fed the hell up of Dragonball. He wanted it to end at the frieza saga. THE FRIEZA SAGA!!! Frieza was defeated in episode 105. Dragonball Z ends on episode 291. Toriyama just didn't care any more. That's why even Cell doesn't ''look'' as powerful as frieza did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 I agree, Vegito IS more powerful, considerably more than Gogeta. But ssj Vegito is NOT as powerful as SSJ4 Gogeta. SSJ4 Gogeta is weaker than a SSJ4 vegito - who would be a pointlessly pointless character.SSJ3 Vegito is probably not far off SSJ4 Gogeta. Akira DID involve himself with Gt. He came up with the SSJ4 concept and a few very lose story lines/ ideas. Any one who thinks otherwise is just a fool. There is no way he would have gone ''meh - do what you want'' and left, and there's no way that the writers/creators of GT wouldn't have asked Toriyama for ideas. The sad fact is, Toriyama was fed the hell up of Dragonball. He wanted it to end at the frieza saga. THE FRIEZA SAGA!!! Frieza was defeated in episode 105. Dragonball Z ends on episode 291. Toriyama just didn't care any more. That's why even Cell doesn't ''look'' as powerful as frieza did.Did you ever think about the tme Limit Gogeta has while Vegito's time limit is infinite? Thats another reason why hes stronger... Akira did create SS4 but that was it, he did not creat GT, he gave the SS4 to the writers who did. He also did not have any part in the writing. He did oversee the production but that's all... http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ba...cies.2FMistakes It is not canon as some believe and by the sounds of thing, it looks like that hardcore illogical fans of the series fiercely believe that it is canon instead of using logic but thats just me... Regardless, Gogeta loses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catnips47 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Did you ever think about the tme Limit Gogeta has while Vegito's time limit is infinite? Thats another reason why hes stronger... Akira did create SS4 but that was it, he did not creat GT, he gave the SS4 to the writers who did. He also did not have any part in the writing. He did oversee the production but that's all... http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ba...cies.2FMistakes It is not canon as some believe and by the sounds of thing, it looks like that hardcore illogical fans of the series fiercely believe that it is canon instead of using logic but thats just me... Regardless, Gogeta loses... O rite no that's my mistake sorry. I forget how being normal for longer allows you to overcome a ssj4 who can only be a ssj4 for ten minutes.... And if you read (I'm starting to think otherwise) my previous post you'll see I write VEGITO IS STRONGER THAN GOGETA. Of course you must be one of those illogical fans who thinks SSJ transformations don't matter.... Thanks for providing the link I WAS GUNNA USE from the link YOU PROVIDED - ''This series was not directly written by Akira Toriyama, though he did strictly oversee its production.'' So, basically, everything Gt - Akira Toriyama approved. Hmmmmmm.......seems good enough for me, of course I'm not one of those illogical fans who ignores the obvious as the flail desperately in an irrelevant argument they are losing.... No, I'm a hadcore fan who isn't anal-retentive enough to give two craps about whether something is ''cannon'' or not. Of course I'm one of those fans who enjoys EVERYTHING Dragonball, from Z to movies. Not some saddo who tries to think they know more because they ARE anal-retentive enough to care whether Akira Toriyama drew a particular picture or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catnips47 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Oh - and Gogeta wins......with his arms folded ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 O rite no that's my mistake sorry. I forget how being normal for longer allows you to overcome a ssj4 who can only be a ssj4 for ten minutes.... And if you read (I'm starting to think otherwise) my previous post you'll see I write VEGITO IS STRONGER THAN GOGETA. Of course you must be one of those illogical fans who thinks SSJ transformations don't matter.... Thanks for providing the link I WAS GUNNA USE from the link YOU PROVIDED - ''This series was not directly written by Akira Toriyama, though he did strictly oversee its production.'' So, basically, everything Gt - Akira Toriyama approved. Hmmmmmm.......seems good enough for me, of course I'm not one of those illogical fans who ignores the obvious as the flail desperately in an irrelevant argument they are losing.... No, I'm a hadcore fan who isn't anal-retentive enough to give two craps about whether something is ''cannon'' or not. Of course I'm one of those fans who enjoys EVERYTHING Dragonball, from Z to movies. Not some saddo who tries to think they know more because they ARE anal-retentive enough to care whether Akira Toriyama drew a particular picture or not.*Sighs* I said Vegito can outlast him, not beat him... I did read that, I was just including the time limit, that's all, don't jump to conclusions. He did approved but he did not create it, thats the point. He did not create it, he approved of what the others created. I never said anything about the pictures, that was you, I never once said a thing about the pictures. And for your information, it is important whether its canon or not as it affects the usage of feats. And this is another thing I like to point out. And do you see me insulting you...? I enjoyed them all, I just don't see them as part of the canon universe... Which is the DB and DBZ series excluding the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomisntblue Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 *Sighs* I said Vegito can outlast him, not beat him... I did read that, I was just including the time limit, that's all, don't jump to conclusions. He did approved but he did not create it, thats the point. He did not create it, he approved of what the others created. I never said anything about the pictures, that was you, I never once said a thing about the pictures. And for your information, it is important whether its canon or not as it affects the usage of feats. And this is another thing I like to point out. And do you see me insulting you...? I enjoyed them all, I just don't see them as part of the canon universe... Which is the DB and DBZ series excluding the movies. The thing you have to remember about what's canon is that, if a character is non-canon then all his non-canon feats are what we must go by. Therefore, since SS4 was meant to be the strongest level and in his universe (which while they aren't shown, includes characters such as Vegito because the GT universe is the set in the DB universe) SS4 Gogeta is the strongest canon or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 The thing you have to remember about what's canon is that, if a character is non-canon then all his non-canon feats are what we must go by. Therefore, since SS4 was meant to be the strongest level and in his universe (which while they aren't shown, includes characters such as Vegito because the GT universe is the set in the DB universe) SS4 Gogeta is the strongest canon or not.Tom, think about it, the last two series had their own manga as well, this one didn't, its an entirely different universe, separate from the DB, DBZ ones. So characters like Vegito or Veku doesn't exist in the GT universe... SS4 Gogeta is the strongest Non canon character. Vegito is the strongest canon character if we go that way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catnips47 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 1 I said Vegito can outlast him, not beat him... 2 I did read that, I was just including the time limit, that's all, don't jump to conclusions. 3 He did approved but he did not create it, thats the point. He did not create it, he approved of what the others created. 4 I never said anything about the pictures, that was you, I never once said a thing about the pictures. 5 And for your information, it is important whether its canon or not as it affects the usage of feats. And this is another thing I like to point out. 6 And do you see me insulting you...? 7 I enjoyed them all, I just don't see them as part of the canon universe... Which is the DB and DBZ series excluding the movies. 1 You, specifically, wrote that Vegito is stronger than gogeta because of the time limit. I have jumped to no conclusions, you just don't think about what you write. 2 ye, what people created from HIS work. If he is the Father of Z, at the very minimum he is is the Grand-father of GT. 3 The pictures refer to the ones inspired for the animation itself. As in a manga. 4 Again, anal-retentive. Who cares ? Dyou think I watched Cooler thinking ''JESUS CHRIST THAT'S NOT CANNON!!!!''. No, I watched and thought. ''That was awesome''. And anything done in any fictional universe is a feat - it's been done, proven, again, regardless of whether an 'original picture' has been produced or not. Which is something people on this site should think about as every set-up on this site is considered ''Non - cannon''. 5 Yes, you called me ''hardore illogicalfan''. And this very subject is insulting. 6 Enjoy and 'cannon' don't fit in the same sentence, unless Enjoy has a 'don't' in front of it. As your too worried about whether it can be proven as a little feat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomisntblue Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Tom, think about it, the last two series had their own manga as well, this one didn't, its an entirely different universe, separate from the DB, DBZ ones. So characters like Vegito or Veku doesn't exist in the GT universe... SS4 Gogeta is the strongest Non canon character. Vegito is the strongest canon character if we go that way... My argument isn't that he's canon. My point is the GT universe is said to be a continuation of the main DB universe. Everyone can agree on that. As a continuation, all the events that took place in DB have already happened in GT. Proof this being that Uub is Buu revived, and all the old villians return. Now, with that in mind SS4 Gogeta is the strongest in his universe. Therefore, logic dictates that he is stronger then Vegito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catnips47 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Therefore, logic dictates that he is stronger then Vegito. Well, yes and no. Gogeta at this time, is stronger than the last vegito we saw way back in the buu saga. Vegito is stronger than Gogeta was against Janemba, simply because of how close the matches were. If Vegito came about at the time SSJ4 Gogeta came about - he would be stronger. As in : Vegito base >>>>>>gogeta base Vegito ssj >>>>>>>>>>>gogeta ssj Vegito ssj2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gogeta ssj2 Vegito ssj3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gogeta ssj3 Vegito ssj4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gogeta ssj 4 The reason the gap grows as the transformation does, is because whilst the energy in the metamory fusion is used up with the time limit and to keep the fusion afloat, the potarra doesn't have that set-back. And the Potarra creates a better, more wholesome warrior... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomisntblue Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Vegito ssj4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gogeta ssj 4 The reason the gap grows as the transformation does, is because whilst the energy in the metamory fusion is used up with the time limit and to keep the fusion afloat, the potarra doesn't have that set-back. And the Potarra creates a better, more wholesome warrior... I agree with that, but I was stating that Gogeta ss4 is stronger then Vegito when we last saw him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catnips47 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 I agree with that, but I was stating that Gogeta ss4 is stronger then Vegito when we last saw him. Oh I - Your'e dead on there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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