Indolent Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 i doubt his age would have anything to do with it... toph is no doubt the greatest earthbender..but she cant best bumi. its great battle, but bumi's smarter and more experienced than toph.and thats really the only edge he has on her...and possible the only edge he needs.In terms of reflexes, it might... Well, I believe her skill in metal bending and her ability to sense vibrations would at least counter act that somewhat... but yeah, you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AKUMA Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 In terms of reflexes, it might... Well, I believe her skill in metal bending and her ability to sense vibrations would at least counter act that somewhat... but yeah, you're right. providing theres metal around...that would be a good advantage for toph... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 providing theres metal around...that would be a good advantage for toph...There are ores in earth... she can find em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Man Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Earthbenders fail against Toph as they utilize earth, the vibrations tell Toph what they're doing and when they're going to attack, Earthbenders are the kind of enemies that Toph has the greatest advantage against... That's the reason why she calls herself that. Bumi falls, he comes no where close to Toph's powers. Experience might drag this fight out but her sensing abilities pretty much smokes that.Wouldn't Bumi's ability to lift giant pieces of stone and rock negate that? She can't see things that are off the ground, right? Besides, her control isn't absolute (despite the fact that she can bend metal). Look at how she acts when confronted by Sand benders. Aren't they just a different type of earthbenders? Meanwhile, look at Bumi. Each of his feats seems to top the last. Did you see the type of stuff he was bending during his first fight with Aang? Or how he was able to bend with his nose when he was captured? The man literally has over a hundred years of experience. Toph? What, is she like 14?Bumi ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranglehold-prime Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I have to say Bumi because he been around longer and when he fights he doesnt even try to his fuullest and still comes out on top. Bumi took back his whole kingdom from the fire nation by himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Wouldn't Bumi's ability to lift giant pieces of stone and rock negate that? She can't see things that are off the ground, right? Besides, her control isn't absolute (despite the fact that she can bend metal). Look at how she acts when confronted by Sand benders. Aren't they just a different type of earthbenders? Meanwhile, look at Bumi. Each of his feats seems to top the last. Did you see the type of stuff he was bending during his first fight with Aang? Or how he was able to bend with his nose when he was captured? The man literally has over a hundred years of experience. Toph? What, is she like 14?Bumi ftw.They were more like airbender and earthbender hybrid if you get what I mean and we all know she pales against Airbenders. Then how does she dodge attacks from a pair of earthbenders who are away from her later on in the series? Its not the object in the air, its from sensing the movement of the benders that she deciphers the direction of the projectiles. Yes, yes, and Aang gave him a really good fight... Toph can meet him and if needed be, she can counter bend his attacks... unlike Aang who couldn't do that as he didn't know earthbending when he got the giant boulder over him... She can hear as well so... she can decipher sounds made by attacks in the air I believe. Airbending, she fails against but Earthbending... she dominates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Omega11 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I can say Fire benders fly, Air benders can fly, so I see no reason Earth benders can't find a way. An Earth bender taking to the air would separate them from their source of power, while an Air bender flying obviously puts them into it, and a Fire bender's source of power comes from within. But even if can't be Done, Bumi has shown insane bending strength and could bend the area Toph's standing on into the air and throw rocks at her that way so she's separate from the earth. Meanwhile Toph is just standing there, not trying to attack or defend or anything, just letting Bumi do whatever he wants? Besides, her control isn't absolute (despite the fact that she can bend metal). Look at how she acts when confronted by Sand benders. Aren't they just a different type of earthbenders? And yet at the end of the series, she displays very fine control over sand, being able to instantly make an incredibly detailed sand sculpture of Ba Sing Se. Meanwhile, look at Bumi. Each of his feats seems to top the last. Did you see the type of stuff he was bending during his first fight with Aang? Or how he was able to bend with his nose when he was captured? The man literally has over a hundred years of experience. Toph? What, is she like 14?Bumi ftw. Experience doesn't mean much when you're overmatched. Toph has faster reflexes and can sense his attacks coming. Even if Bumi figures this out(probably likely, he's a wiley one), trying to set up some kind of way to circumvent it would take too long and leave him vulnerable to Toph's attacks. Toph wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarvelFan15 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Grr...I have yet to actually watch this series. I've got no cable for my TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranglehold-prime Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Grr...I have yet to actually watch this series. I've got no cable for my TV.Get direct Tv. Its good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Get direct Tv. Its good.Timewarner's cable's better, you get internet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Omega11 Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Grr...I have yet to actually watch this series. I've got no cable for my TV. You need to watch it. Now. Stop whatever you are doing, go out and buy or rent all of the DVD's. Now. It's amazing. Now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest super1mm Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 If a fire-bender wanted to fly, he'd have to bend the fire beneath his feet while flying. Same with earth-benders riding their air balls or wind-surfing. I actually think it would be easier for an earth-bender, because he's not really making himself fly; he's just levitating the ground beneath him, without having to concentrate on his own movements otherwise. Anywho, as I recall in Aang's fight with Bumi, Bumi lifted a chunk of rock over Aang's head about the size of the arena they were fighting in. I don't think it's ridiculous to think that he could lift a smaller chunk of earth off the ground with him on it, since I don't think it was every clearly said that an earth-bender has to be on the ground to bend earth. Aang flew in his fight with the Firelord and he had rocks orbiting around him presumably via earth-bending (since they were trying to give the impression that all the elements were under his control at that moment). Granted, he IS the Avatar, but I think it's safe to say that both Toph and Bumi are better earth-benders than him regardless of his Avatar state, so if he could do it then I'm sure that they could too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 If a fire-bender wanted to fly, he'd have to bend the fire beneath his feet while flying. Same with earth-benders riding their air balls or wind-surfing. I actually think it would be easier for an earth-bender, because he's not really making himself fly; he's just levitating the ground beneath him, without having to concentrate on his own movements otherwise. Anywho, as I recall in Aang's fight with Bumi, Bumi lifted a chunk of rock over Aang's head about the size of the arena they were fighting in. I don't think it's ridiculous to think that he could lift a smaller chunk of earth off the ground with him on it, since I don't think it was every clearly said that an earth-bender has to be on the ground to bend earth. Aang flew in his fight with the Firelord and he had rocks orbiting around him presumably via earth-bending (since they were trying to give the impression that all the elements were under his control at that moment). Granted, he IS the Avatar, but I think it's safe to say that both Toph and Bumi are better earth-benders than him regardless of his Avatar state, so if he could do it then I'm sure that they could too.Okay, they have to make movements to use their bending skills. And if they leave the ground, they lose their source of power. Plus the fact that none of the earthbenders in the series been seen flying so... you cannot say they can unless its shown in the anime. Aang whips the airball and it goes while he rides it... the flame comes from within, you need to have extreme mastery over it, watch Oozai, he fights with the jet of flames coming from his feet against Aang at the same time... It wasn't the size of the arena, it was a boulder. Neither is this the "size of the arena". And Aang manipulating all four elements at the same time doesn't prove how much of a bender in all of these arts he is? Even in the style of his avatar earthbending, the rocks rotating around him with the other elements doesn't show his mastery? I'm sure that Bumi and Toph would be hard pressed to match that. Look at this. He seems to be doing it EFFORTLESSLY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AKUMA Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 i dont know about that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomisntblue Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 And Aang manipulating all four elements at the same time doesn't prove how much of a bender in all of these arts he is? Even in the style of his avatar earthbending, the rocks rotating around him with the other elements doesn't show his mastery? I'm sure that Bumi and Toph would be hard pressed to match that. This much I can agree with you on, I would say that Aang in avatar state outclasses Bumi and Toph in earth bending because he has the knowlege of every Avatar before him. Aang on his own however isn't much of an earth bender, as it's been said multiple times in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 This much I can agree with you on, I would say that Aang in avatar state outclasses Bumi and Toph in earth bending because he has the knowlege of every Avatar before him. Aang on his own however isn't much of an earth bender, as it's been said multiple times in the series.He mastered it just before his final fight... he's not adept at it but he;s better than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomisntblue Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 He mastered it just before his final fight... he's not adept at it but he;s better than most. Did he master it? I must have over looked that... Not saying he didn't, just saying I didn't notice if he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Did he master it? I must have over looked that... Not saying he didn't, just saying I didn't notice if he did.I believe so yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomisntblue Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 I believe so yes. Alright then, I'd still likely put Toph and Bumi above him in Earth Bending skills but I learned something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Man Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 And if they leave the ground, they lose their source of power.@ Ethan/JagP So, if Earthbenders stop being in contact with the Earth they lose their power? Really? Well, what about the Episode where a whole tribe of Earthbenders were being kept on a large metal ship (When Katara pretended to be an Earthbender). The earthbenders managed to get a ton or two of coal and were then able to take over the ship. All of it without being in contact with the Earth itself. Just coal. Heck, didn't Bumi bend while being suspended high above the earth? He didn't even do any moves, cause he was chained up. And I'm pretty sure Aang wasn't a complete master of Earth. Remeber that airbending avatars usually have trouble with earthbending (like firebenders have trouble with waterbending). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 @ Ethan/JagP So, if Earthbenders stop being in contact with the Earth they lose their power? Really? Well, what about the Episode where a whole tribe of Earthbenders were being kept on a large metal ship (When Katara pretended to be an Earthbender). The earthbenders managed to get a ton or two of coal and were then able to take over the ship. All of it without being in contact with the Earth itself. Just coal. Heck, didn't Bumi bend while being suspended high above the earth? He didn't even do any moves, cause he was chained up. And I'm pretty sure Aang wasn't a complete master of Earth. Remeber that airbending avatars usually have trouble with earthbending (like firebenders have trouble with waterbending).Material of the Earth itself I mean. If they have access to it, they can bend it. he used his nose. he was at least close to it. Avatars are to master every bending art.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Omega11 Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Alright then, I'd still likely put Toph and Bumi above him in Earth Bending skills but I learned something Yes, Toph and Bumi would certainly be above Aang's own Earth bending skills, but once he enters the Avatar State he should be well beyond either of them in terms of abilities since his knowledge would include dozens of Earth Kingdom native Avatars. Although Toph does seem to be the only one in all of series who can Metal bend, at least, no one else has been shown to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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