G4hardcore Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 The Phoenix was before Galactus and the marvel universe. An when the so called big bang happen and made the marvel universe The Phoenix made Galactus for Phoenix is the life force of the universe.your right i just checked a source and pheonix is older than galactus. pheonix is the reason galactus was born. pheonix convinced eternity to save galan from the big bang, who then survivedit to become galactus. so pheonix is older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 your right i just checked a source and pheonix is older than galactus. pheonix is the reason galactus was born.No shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest white wraith Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Er.... no. Galactus is from the old Universe before the one he is currently in. Galactus is Galan fused with the Soul of the Universe (Or something like that.) that survived the destruction of the old and the creation of the new one... The Eternity in the old one helped him survived...Phoenix is form the old universe not Galactus. He was made by Phoenix when the marvel universe came to be. But this is going nowere you think what you want and I think what I want and am done. Because this is not what the topic I made is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Actually... all the Phoenix Force did was amassed the positive emotions of that universe... thus helping The Sentience of the Universe reach Galan. But after that, that was all Galan and Eternity, the Force did nothing to preserve them as the old universe died... She helped but had no hand in Galactu's creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest white wraith Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Actually... all the Phoenix Force did was amassed the positive emotions of that universe... thus helping The Sentience of the Universe reach Galan. But after that, that was all Galan and Eternity, the Force did nothing to preserve them as the old universe died... She helped but had no hand in Galactu's creation.PHOENIX IS THE LIFE FORCE OF THE UNIVERSE PHOENIX MADE GALACTUS THE END. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 PHOENIX IS THE LIFE FORCE OF THE UNIVERSE PHOENIX MADE GALACTUS THE END.NEVER! SHE HELPED BUT THE TWO DID THE REST! *Gets ready to put up his dukes* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 You know the ultimate nullifier? as it is a part of him, Galactus can destroy universes and destroy entire timelines... he could have easily destroy the phoenix force as it is able to destroy anything the wield mentally envisions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G4hardcore Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 You know the ultimate nullifier? as it is a part of him, Galactus can destroy universes and destroy entire timelines... he could have easily destroy the phoenix force as it is able to destroy anything the wield mentally envisions...no.to destroy the phoenix would be to destroy all life, meaning galactus. and galactus could never "desroy" the pheonix force itself, as it does not exist in the physical plane. of course, it could if it wanted to, but it would have to tap into the pool of life energy from future generations, thus wiping them from existance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 no.to destroy the phoenix would be to destroy all life, meaning galactus. and galactus could never "desroy" the pheonix force itself, as it does not exist in the physical plane. of course, it could if it wanted to, but it would have to tap into the pool of life energy from future generations, thus wiping them from existance...All of the future life. It represents the future life. Not the current life. Life can go on without the Phoenix... Besides, if she dies, Eternity probably takes over her role, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G4hardcore Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 All of the future life. It represents the future life. Not the current life. Life can go on without the Phoenix... Besides, if she dies, Eternity probably takes over her role, lol.no one can take over the role of a manifestation. thats like saying the moon can replace the sun if the sun dies. and yes all of future life would die with her , meaning nothing else would ever be born again. this would essentially end life on earth, not by killing all that already exist, but by preventing anything else from existing from that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 no one can take over the role of a manifestation. thats like saying the moon can replace the sun if the sun dies. and yes all of future life would die with her , meaning nothing else would ever be born again. this would essentially end life on earth, not by killing all that already exist, but by preventing anything else from existing from that point.Eternity... is Eternity, he'll figure it out. Hell, do not forget the The One Above All... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G4hardcore Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Eternity... is Eternity, he'll figure it out. Hell, do not forget the The One Above All...tru3. one above all...little is known of him but for simplicilties sake, hes pretty much "God", rite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 tru3. one above all...little is known of him but for simplicilties sake, hes pretty much "God", rite?Yes, he is Stan Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G4hardcore Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Yes, he is Stan Lee. how appropiate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comic_book_fan Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Er.... no. Galactus is from the old Universe before the one he is currently in. Galactus is Galan fused with the Soul of the Universe (Or something like that.) that survived the destruction of the old and the creation of the new one... The Eternity in the old one helped him survived...galactus was from the previous universe he was saved from the big crunch by phoenix and eternity. phoenix put him in a cosmic egg then when he came out of egg he was galactus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 galactus was from the previous universe he was saved from the big crunch by phoenix and eternity. phoenix put him in a cosmic egg then when he came out of egg he was galactus.Didn't we already go over this? Read... the rest of the posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G4hardcore Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Didn't we already go over this? Read... the rest of the posts.[/qu.ote]...sighs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Ivan Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 This is what frustrates me the most about CBUB. Ok, kids, listen. If you consider "The One Above All" and The Living Tribunal to be Marvel characters, you've missed the entire point of comics. TOAA is Stan. It isn't The God, it isn't even A God, it's a fourth wall breaking reference to editorial oversight. Argh. Why not pick up a Spiderman comic and enjoy reading about Spiderman for a change? Death, Eternity, and Galactus are all fundamental pieces of the structure of reality. Any equivocating about comparable power levels is pointless speculation. The suggestions that the Phoenix Force is somehow more powerful than these folks are based on a single scene in the White Hot Room, anecdotal evidence that doesn't have a strong case. This list also includes Infininty, the Chaos and Order entities, the In-Betweener, and any other godawful cheating powermonger writers in the past twenty years have invented because they're too lazy to read. Anyone with the words "pre-Retcon" in their name is not even worth considering. Hell, I'd take the Impossible Man over Owen in a fight come to that, Impy once fought Mxyzptlk to a standstill and Molecule Man's powers only work in three dimensions. Anyway my point is, MY POINT IS, these discussions always pop up because fans who all read the same four websites want to "prove" their knowledge on a subject. I'd be willing to bet that most of you have never read a comic with the Wingless Wizard in it, let alone one featuring Ego the Living Planet. It is an opinion thread, even if it the fight isn't very well balanced, and the discussion always seems to disolve into some side argument about Hyperstorm vs the Vishanti or something. Answer the darned question, and go on about your day. Onslaught, in any form, would be first. Apocalypse would be second. While I'm sold on Juggy's ability to destroy Holocaust 1 on 1 (since Juggernaut isn't a mutant) but what gets tricky is Holocausts ability to absorb mutant energy might tip the scales in a four way fight, enough to significantly weaken Apocalypse and then enough to withstand (and eventually do the same thing to) Onslaught. Hell, if it were an actual comic and not an internet thread, Apocalypse using Holocaust as a weapon to drain Onslaught would make a decent storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Artemis Entreri Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 This is what frustrates me the most about CBUB. Ok, kids, listen. If you consider "The One Above All" and The Living Tribunal to be Marvel characters, you've missed the entire point of comics. TOAA is Stan. It isn't The God, it isn't even A God, it's a fourth wall breaking reference to editorial oversight. Argh. Why not pick up a Spiderman comic and enjoy reading about Spiderman for a change? Death, Eternity, and Galactus are all fundamental pieces of the structure of reality. Any equivocating about comparable power levels is pointless speculation. The suggestions that the Phoenix Force is somehow more powerful than these folks are based on a single scene in the White Hot Room, anecdotal evidence that doesn't have a strong case. This list also includes Infininty, the Chaos and Order entities, the In-Betweener, and any other godawful cheating powermonger writers in the past twenty years have invented because they're too lazy to read. Anyone with the words "pre-Retcon" in their name is not even worth considering. Hell, I'd take the Impossible Man over Owen in a fight come to that, Impy once fought Mxyzptlk to a standstill and Molecule Man's powers only work in three dimensions. Anyway my point is, MY POINT IS, these discussions always pop up because fans who all read the same four websites want to "prove" their knowledge on a subject. I'd be willing to bet that most of you have never read a comic with the Wingless Wizard in it, let alone one featuring Ego the Living Planet. It is an opinion thread, even if it the fight isn't very well balanced, and the discussion always seems to disolve into some side argument about Hyperstorm vs the Vishanti or something. Answer the darned question, and go on about your day. Onslaught, in any form, would be first. Apocalypse would be second. While I'm sold on Juggy's ability to destroy Holocaust 1 on 1 (since Juggernaut isn't a mutant) but what gets tricky is Holocausts ability to absorb mutant energy might tip the scales in a four way fight, enough to significantly weaken Apocalypse and then enough to withstand (and eventually do the same thing to) Onslaught. Hell, if it were an actual comic and not an internet thread, Apocalypse using Holocaust as a weapon to drain Onslaught would make a decent storyline. ***High Fives Ivan*** Ivan my man, You come through and shut down the thread! Wow! Wingless Wizard! Ego the living Planet! Lmao.... Way to show the young CBUBers up! I agree with most you say with the small exception of Personifications of the Marvel Universe! You said that TOAA and The Living Tribunal were reference to the editors...I agree. But then you say Eternity and others of his yoke are bad writing...I disagree here. Yes, they are over the top. But I personally love to see them appear in the comics. Especially books like Spiderman. It gives me, the reader, a since of Grandness and Order bigger than the Earth based heros we become transfix to, and ensnared into their everday lives. Eternity is my personal favorite because he is the emibodiment of All Space and Time! People will argue he has been pawned many times by the likes of TLT and even Thanos, but I beg to differ. Thanos if he ever "Truly" destoyed ALL REALITY, would cause even himself to cease to exist as well. If TLT battled Eternity (Which I could never see happening) and ultimatley destroyed him, would then become a Captain without a Ship! In other words useless! So in summary, I think Eternity is very vital to the Marvel continuum. So are some of the others! Galactus is becoming a comical figure in the Comics now! I would fear Dr. Doom or Thanos more in the present day Marvel comics! Other than those thoughts, I think you were spot on and Thanks again for showing us your Pimphand! Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest white wraith Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 ***High Fives Ivan*** Ivan my man, You come through and shut down the thread! Wow! Wingless Wizard! Ego the living Planet! Lmao.... Way to show the young CBUBers up! I agree with most you say with the small exception of Personifications of the Marvel Universe! You said that TOAA and The Living Tribunal were reference to the editors...I agree. But then you say Eternity and others of his yoke are bad writing...I disagree here. Yes, they are over the top. But I personally love to see them appear in the comics. Especially books like Spiderman. It gives me, the reader, a since of Grandness and Order bigger than the Earth based heros we become transfix to, and ensnared into their everday lives. Eternity is my personal favorite because he is the emibodiment of All Space and Time! People will argue he has been pawned many times by the likes of TLT and even Thanos, but I beg to differ. Thanos if he ever "Truly" destoyed ALL REALITY, would cause even himself to cease to exist as well. If TLT battled Eternity (Which I could never see happening) and ultimatley destroyed him, would then become a Captain without a Ship! In other words useless! So in summary, I think Eternity is very vital to the Marvel continuum. So are some of the others! Galactus is becoming a comical figure in the Comics now! I would fear Dr. Doom or Thanos more in the present day Marvel comics! Other than those thoughts, I think you were spot on and Thanks again for showing us your Pimphand! Lol!You and Ivan don't call me a kid OK! An I'm not the one who turn the match into a cosmic battle. I just wanted to see who you poeple think would win out of Juggernaut,Apocalypse,Holocaust and Onslaught. An you two don't need to tale me about comics ok am done talking. For it is stupid to make a fight out of this . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 I said TOAA is Stan... But I understand what you're getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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