Samurai vs Knight

[Indolent]

Already done....

Scots Vs. Huns. They both scared the shit out of the Romans!

[ND7]

Alright!

 

Just PM me the weapons for each side and I will do it once I decide who is the winner of this fight.

[Stranglehold-prime]

*Cough Bull *Cough.

 

Also the Spart would have been screwed if he fought a Knight.

 

Also just for a tournament\'s sake should I pair up the Pirate asgaint the Apache or Yakuza?

 

 

That would be dumb. The Pirate may be better trained but the Yakuza has superior modern day weapons of his side.

 

Him fight a Apache= Stomp.

 

How about Ninj vs Apache

 

Pirate vs Ming Warrior.

 

Yakuza vs Medellín Cartel(There vs the Somalia Pirates on Tv sone)

 

Spartan my super favourite vs Alexander the great

 

Viking vs William Wallaces

 

Zande warrior my favourite vs Shaka Zulu

 

Monk my other favourite vs Jaguar warrior

 

Spetsnaz my other favourite vs Waffen-SS

 

Thats all I got

 

 

Oh yeah Somalia Pirates vs Taliban

[ND7]

Thanks SP but I kinda have some ideads but thanks.

 

Oh and how do they expect to use a Grappling Hook as a weapon?

[Indolent]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmNTKy8LJiY

 

The blows are relatively slow... and encased in heavy armor, I'm sure they would be slower. Samurais are fast. Also, they swung down the Halberd like I said and nowhere did I say that it would be done uncontrollably.

 

That's why I threw in the airsoft bullet, if its faster than the crossbow, the samurai can still hit it, also, they are trained for battle unlike the guy who cut the bullet, he only practices it so the ancient samurai would have a greater chance in an uncontrolled area.

 

Mh, I'm sure the Morning Star isn't made of steel. If that is so, it might not even chip the blade.

[Stranglehold-prime]

Dude, Steel is harder than Bronze, Bronze is softer and weaker than Steel. If a Katana can cut through a steel plate armor, which is the same as the Knight\'s and stab a steel chair, it should be able to kick the crap out of Bronze relatively easily. But it didn\'t as its biased....

 

What are you talking about?

 

I clearly said that the Katana couldnt cut through the Spartans Bronze armor. It was sone as a fact that the Katana could not damage the Bronze armor. Steel is tougher then Bronze. The knights steel is toughter then a chairs steel. Underneath the steel may be leather or some kind of crap.

 

Also Knights have just as much honer as a Samurai.

[Stranglehold-prime]

Thanks SP but I kinda have some ideads but thanks.

 

Oh and how do they expect to use a Grappling Hook as a weapon?

 

 

Your welcome dude.

[Indolent]

Alright!

 

Just PM me the weapons for each side and I will do it once I decide who is the winner of this fight.

You would have to give me a few days to figure out a balanced weapon set for the both sides...

[ND7]

Days?!!

[Stranglehold-prime]

What about the next match thats coming.

 

Somali Pirates vs. Medellín Cartel.

[ND7]

I can already tell.

 

RPG-7 VS Dynamite

 

Winner:RPG....duh.

 

AK-47 VS M-60

 

Winner:M-60

 

Grappling Hook(Aint a weapon...) vs Machete: GH for its other functions..

 

Uzi VS 44.Magnum

Winner: UZI

 

Now lets get back on topic.

[Stranglehold-prime]

I can already tell.

 

RPG-7 VS Dynamite

 

Winner:RPG....duh.

 

AK-47 VS M-60

 

Winner:M-60

 

Grappling Hook(Aint a weapon...) vs Machete: GH for its other functions..

 

Uzi VS 44.Magnum

Winner: UZI

 

Now lets get back on topic.

 

 

Ok Samuari and Knights are both trained well and Disiplined but Knights wins.

[Skirmisher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmNTKy8LJiY

 

The blows are relatively slow... and encased in heavy armor, I'm sure they would be slower. Samurais are fast. Also, they swung down the Halberd like I said and nowhere did I say that it would be done uncontrollably.

 

That's why I threw in the airsoft bullet, if its faster than the crossbow, the samurai can still hit it, also, they are trained for battle unlike the guy who cut the bullet, he only practices it so the ancient samurai would have a greater chance in an uncontrolled area.

 

Mh, I'm sure the Morning Star isn't made of steel. If that is so, it might not even chip the blade.

1) that was Sparing... in a Fight they'd be much faster.

 

2) Heavy Armour wasn't that cumbersome to Knights. Recent studies actually show they could move just as fast as a person without the extra weight, and in fact Modern Soldiers carry much more weight into Battle.

 

3) Do you know the speed of that Airsoft Bullet? I don't, but it's substantially slower than 200m/s. Besides, IIRC some bolts for x-bows were 100% made of metal, usually Iron. This gives it the Armour Piercing ability and the Kinetic Energy to render it lethal against armoured targets at up to 200m, whereas the Long Bow struggles to penetrate heavy armour at point blank range.

 

Besides Cutting an Arrow in half is different than cutting a X-bow bolt in half. For one thing, the Bow you can see being drawn, you can see the person taking aim, and then the release and snap of the string. With the X-bow you can only see the aim being taken, and hear the thwap of the release.

[Indolent]

Days?!!

*Sighs*

 

I'll do it now...

 

Scots: Huns:

 

Claymore Hun Sword

Squarehead Axe Dagger

Ettrick Bow Bows

Javelin Javelin

 

 

If you are dissatisfied with the Scot's weaponry, you can choose different ones here,

 

http://sites.scran.ac.uk/weapon/Content/Javelin/Content.html

 

They also provide some information on the weapons.

 

 

 

They have similar weaponry...

[Guest KevinDWolf93]

I would have to say that the knight wins it:

 

The slashing weapons(katana and naginata) of the samurai are next to useless against the outer plate armor of the knight which can stop the attacks. I dont know where the argument for a stabbing katana came from, but even if it could get through the joints its not a kill dominating weapon(like the twin hooks or spartan shield), and if we are going deadliest warrior then "he can get the kill", doesnt mean that the samurai can shrug off the crossbow, halberd and mace and close in for a precise neck shot.

 

The yumi isnt getting an eye shot here, long as the knights visor stays down. Joint shots may be possible, but the leather underarmor could definitely slow the attack right there.

 

The kanabo is the samurais best bet for armor breaking, however using it they lose their precious speed advantage, and possibly be slower on the draw than the halberd .

 

The knights mace and halberd are the big killers here for him: the mace is gonna tear whatever it hits right off(helmets,heads,etc.), but everyone is downplaying the halberd to my annoyance. That thing is a multi-tool; it can hook, stab, and slice. A good trip-up with the hook side followed by a stab through the neck or open face with the pike-end and thats all she wrote.

 

PS:I could send u some good ideas, if u got room in your inbox ND?

[Indolent]

1) that was Sparing... in a Fight they'd be much faster.

 

2) Heavy Armour wasn't that cumbersome to Knights. Recent studies actually show they could move just as fast as a person without the extra weight, and in fact Modern Soldiers carry much more weight into Battle.

 

3) Do you know the speed of that Airsoft Bullet? I don't, but it's substantially slower than 200m/s. Besides, IIRC some bolts for x-bows were 100% made of metal, usually Iron. This gives it the Armour Piercing ability and the Kinetic Energy to render it lethal against armoured targets at up to 200m, whereas the Long Bow struggles to penetrate heavy armour at point blank range.

 

Besides Cutting an Arrow in half is different than cutting a X-bow bolt in half. For one thing, the Bow you can see being drawn, you can see the person taking aim, and then the release and snap of the string. With the X-bow you can only see the aim being taken, and hear the thwap of the release.

1.) Still gives you some idea, no?

 

2.) Interesting, but does it have an impact on the use of weaponry? Like the armor being cumbersome and getting in the way a bit and the weight...

 

3.) Yes, its a bit slower, 400–550 ft/s (120–170 m/s), this is the average speed shot from the rifle type of Airsoft gun, still pretty fast though.

 

4.) Its bigger than the pellet for one and the narrator said it would be hard to see the pellet and the guy managed to cut it, the arrow is way bigger and you can still see it somewhat even so more than the pellet, it'd be harder at that slightly higher speed but the extra size should help. And don't the whistling of the bolt help detect where it would be as well the thwap?

[Indolent]

I would have to say that the knight wins it:

 

The slashing weapons(katana and naginata) of the samurai are next to useless against the outer plate armor of the knight which can stop the attacks. I dont know where the argument for a stabbing katana came from, but even if it could get through the joints its not a kill dominating weapon(like the twin hooks or spartan shield), and if we are going deadliest warrior then "he can get the kill", doesnt mean that the samurai can shrug off the crossbow, halberd and mace and close in for a precise neck shot.

 

The yumi isnt getting an eye shot here, long as the knights visor stays down. Joint shots may be possible, but the leather underarmor could definitely slow the attack right there.

 

The kanabo is the samurais best bet, however using it they lose their precious speed advantage, and possibly be slower on the draw than the halberd .

 

The knights mace and halberd are the big killers here for him: the mace is gonna tear whatever it hits right off(helmets,heads,etc.), but everyone is downplaying the halberd to my annoyance. That thing is a multi-tool; i tcan hook, stab, and slice. A good trip-up with the hook followed by a stab through the neck or open face with the pike-end and thats all she wrote.

 

PS:I could send u some good ideas, if u got room in your inbox?

Kay.

 

The Cross Bow is a bitch to reload and it takes a while to reload, a few seconds, no? The Samurai can least try to dodge it and close in.

 

Sure, the Knight's weapons are lethal, I'm not downplaying the halberd, I'm only stating this, the Knight is slower than the Samurai and the Samurai is faster and possibly much more trained.

 

If the Katana can punch through a plated steel armor and have a length sticking through on the other side, it can destroy the chainmail and the cloth would be shredded easily as well as the leather. And there are openings in the armor where the Samurai can slash at and they are pretty accurate.

 

It depends on the type of helmet, even a few types of visors are wide enough for an arrow to get through.

 

The Kanabo would be lighter and much more easier to wield than the Halberd.

[Skirmisher]

1.) Still gives you some idea, no?

 

2.) Interesting, but does it have an impact on the use of weaponry? Like the armor being cumbersome and getting in the way a bit and the weight...

 

3.) Yes, its a bit slower, 400–550 ft/s (120–170 m/s), this is the average speed shot from the rifle type of Airsoft gun, still pretty fast though.

 

4.) Its bigger than the pellet for one and the narrator said it would be hard to see the pellet and the guy managed to cut it, the arrow is way bigger and you can still see it somewhat even so more than the pellet, it'd be harder at that slightly higher speed but the extra size should help. And don't the whistling of the bolt help detect where it would be as well the thwap?

1) Sure, but remember, Sparing = Slower so the participants don't kill each other and can learn from the experience.

 

2) Well, they were designed to give Maximum protection while retaining Maximum maneuverability.

 

3) Is that with Plastic paintballs? or with Solid Lead bullets?

 

4) Well fletched arrows and bolts do not whistle when they fly.

[Indolent]

1) Sure, but remember, Sparing = Slower so the participants don't kill each other and can learn from the experience.

 

2) Well, they were designed to give Maximum protection while retaining Maximum maneuverability.

 

3) Is that with Plastic paintballs? or with Solid Lead bullets?

 

4) Well fletched arrows and bolts do not whistle when they fly.

1.) True.

 

2.) Interesting. I though weighting them down would affect their mobility a bit and as it looks cumbersome, get in the way a bit but I guess not...

 

3.) Plastic.

 

4.) Ah, so the only sound would be the thwap. Still could prepare for it a bit, I'd suppose.

[Skirmisher]

If the Katana can punch through a plated steel armor and have a length sticking through on the other side, it can destroy the chainmail and the cloth would be shredded easily as well as the leather. And there are openings in the armor where the Samurai can slash at and they are pretty accurate.

It has to punch through the Platemail, and then that significantly slowed 1/2 in blade would have to punch through the Chainmail, And the Cloth/Leather underneath... Most openings are usually covered in Chainmail... So a Thrust might be able to break it, but then it still comes back to would the knight let that happen?

 

 

It depends on the type of helmet, even a few types of visors are wide enough for an arrow to get through.

True, how big was the visor on the Knight in DW?

 

 

The Kanabo would be lighter and much more easier to wield than the Halberd.

No, the Kanabo is a large thick metal covered club, the Halberd is a Polearm. The Polearm should be as fast of faster than the Club. My bet is faster...

[Indolent]

It has to punch through the Platemail, and then that significantly slowed 1/2 in blade would have to punch through the Chainmail, And the Cloth/Leather underneath... Most openings are usually covered in Chainmail... So a Thrust might be able to break it, but then it still comes back to would the knight let that happen?

 

 

 

True, how big was the visor on the Knight in DW?

 

 

 

No, the Kanabo is a large thick metal covered club, the Halberd is a Polearm. The Polearm should be as fast of faster than the Club. My bet is faster...

Well, if the Samurai gets in close, the knight would be useless with his Morning Star and Halberd as they're both mid range, no? And his only option would be the longsword and I'm sure the Samurai excels at sword fights. The Knight's only chance would be, other than the sword, the Crossbow and that's if he hasn't fired that off.

 

 

Pretty damn narrow...

 

 

But the pirate won by flipping the visor up and shot him in the face... and if a pirate could kill the Knight despite being outclassed a bit despite the better weapons, wouldn't the Samurai have a better chance? Also, there is a narrow slot, which seems big enough for the Katana blade to go, though horizontal cuts are a pain, it could be done?

[Skirmisher]

Well, if the Samurai gets in close, the knight would be useless with his Morning Star and Halberd as they're both mid range, no? And his only option would be the longsword and I'm sure the Samurai excels at sword fights. The Knight's only chance would be, other than the sword, the Crossbow and that's if he hasn't fired that off.

No a Morning Star is a close range to mid range weapon, and like was said before could probably bash the Samurais helmet right off his head.

 

 

But the pirate won by flipping the visor up and shot him in the face... and if a pirate could kill the Knight despite being outclassed a bit despite the better weapons, wouldn't the Samurai have a better chance? Also, there is a narrow slot, which seems big enough for the Katana blade to go, though horizontal cuts are a pain, it could be done?

1) Well, the sim was for entertainment and I don't think the Knight even used the Halberd in it...

 

2) He'd have to make it against an elevated target (head is higher than arms) a target that doesn't want to be hit...

[Indolent]

No a Morning Star is a close range to mid range weapon, and like was said before could probably bash the Samurais helmet right off his head.

 

 

 

1) Well, the sim was for entertainment and I don't think the Knight even used the Halberd in it...

 

2) He'd have to make it against an elevated target (head is higher than arms) a target that doesn't want to be hit...

 

Close enough. And could the Samurai potential cut the chain attaching the ball and stick?

 

No, ND7 is using the same weapon load out. He did have it.

 

If he does it fast enough. maybe. If he stabbed through the opening into the chainmails (Armpits, etc.), could he cripple the knight?

[Guest KevinDWolf93]

...yep pretty much what Skirmisher said . Also no he did not use the halberd in the sim....on that note Yeager, lets say he did get close enough to open his visor...then what? punc him? All the samurais weapons would be useless in terms of grappling at that point. SO that scenario is pretty moot, even taking into account the jujitsu, the fight would probably be over before either men got that close. We would have two hevily armored men rolling around on the ground...funny yes, but not an ideal scenario.

 

Also, its possible, he could hit joints but the samurai has the same weakness of the joints the knight does, the Knights weapons would be better for attacking joints as well. The odds would be stacked against him. Also no the chain ball would be going way too fast and in constant motion. No way in hell he'd make a clear slash...again if hes that close he is in range of the ball, bad place to be.

[Indolent]

...yep pretty much what Skirmisher said . Also no he did not use the halberd in the sim....on that note Yeager, lets say he did get close enough to open his visor...then what? punc him? All the samurais weapons would be useless in terms of grappling at that point. SO that scenario is pretty moot, even taking into account the jujitsu, the fight would probably be over before either men got that close. We would have two hevily armored men rolling around on the ground...funny yes, but not an ideal scenario.

Heh, The pirate knocked over the Knight. Jijutustu could knock him over... He could then reverse his grip on the katana and bring it down... but it would be dangerous if he got close. Its all speculation and I honestly believe the Samurai can and will win.

 

And here.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_War...irate_vs_Knight

 

He did use the Halberd.