Guest KevinDWolf93 Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Heh, The pirate knocked over the Knight. Jijutustu could knock him over... He could then reverse his grip on the katana and bring it down... but it would be dangerous if he got close. Its all speculation and I honestly believe the Samurai can and will win. And here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_War...irate_vs_Knight He did use the Halberd. He didnt use the halberd during the simulation battle. Thats what Skirm meant. Also jujitsu wont mean anything if he has a pike or bolt in his neck. The samurai's stategy(according to your argument) involves getting almost point blank and stabbing his weak point. The knights weapons can kill him before he gets to that point. You can post things thes e links to someone catching an arrow(on that note, a crossbow bolt goes much faster) or stabbing through chainmail, but thats the thing about deadliest warrior. 1000 battles so there are no flukes: That move could get pulled off 30-40 times for all we know, but the odds are that he gets taken out by either:A. the point and click accurate crossbow, B. the multi-tool halberd, C the bone(and armor) crunching mace, or D. the sharp multi-edged sword. Also, that was the sim which shouldnt be takern seriously. Go ahead and look at the tallies, what got the most kills? It sure as hell wasnt the cutlass or ax. It was the blunderbuss...a samurai doesnt have a blunderbuss, so that argument is invalid... I think the knight should win, if you havent noticed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 He didnt use the halberd during the simulation battle. Thats what Skirm meant. Also jujitsu wont mean anything if he has a pike or bolt in his neck. The samurai's stategy(according to your argument) involves getting almost point blank and stabbing his weak point. The knights weapons can kill him before he gets to that point. You can post things thes e links to someone catching an arrow(on that note, a crossbow bolt goes much faster) or stabbing through chainmail, but thats the thing about deadliest warrior. 1000 battles so there are no flukes: That move could get pulled off 30-40 times for all we know, but the odds are that he gets taken out by either:A. the point and click accurate crossbow, B. the multi-tool halberd, C the bone(and armor) crunching mace, or D. the sharp multi-edged sword. Also, that was the sim which shouldnt be takern seriously. Go ahead and look at the tallies, what got the most kills? It sure as hell wasnt the cutlass or ax. It was the blunderbuss...a samurai doesnt have a blunderbuss, so that argument is invalid... I think the knight should win, if you havent noticed He can destroy the pike. He can destroy the mace (probably) by severing the links. The longsword couldn't slash steel armor or stab it through it, though it dented it a bit. Samurai uses Steel Armor. its in the same link David provided. Plus Katana is superior. Also, since we're using the DW Knight.... wouldn't the narrow slit in the Knight's helm make it easier for the Samurai to get out of his view or make it harder for him to be accurate? Lack of peripheral vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 He can destroy the pike. He can destroy the mace (probably) by severing the links. The longsword couldn't slash steel armor or stab it through it, though it dented it a bit. Samurai uses Steel Armor. its in the same link David provided. Plus Katana is superior. Also, since we're using the DW Knight.... wouldn't the narrow slit in the Knight's helm make it easier for the Samurai to get out of his view or make it harder for him to be accurate? Lack of peripheral vision.Halberds usually have armoured necks to prevent the tactic of cutting their heads off. No the Katana could not cut the links in the Mace and Chain. First, they're Steel not Iron. Second, they would absorb the impact and take no damage. What would happen though would be the Ball part swinging around the sword entangling it and rendering it useless and susceptible to disarming. Knights were trained to operate effectively even with their vision hampered so. Besides, the Samurai could only hide low to the ground, as the slits go from side to side. If the Samurai was that low then he would be at a disadvantage in the fight. Edit: Didn't see the part about the longsword... Usually when fighting other armoured opponents Knights used Dulled Longswords in combat. See they knew that they couldn't really get through the armour, so they opted to just bash their opponents brains out instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinDWolf93 Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 He can destroy the pike. He can destroy the mace (probably) by severing the links. The longsword couldn't slash steel armor or stab it through it, though it dented it a bit. Samurai uses Steel Armor. its in the same link David provided. Plus Katana is superior. Also, since we're using the DW Knight.... wouldn't the narrow slit in the Knight's helm make it easier for the Samurai to get out of his view or make it harder for him to be accurate? Lack of peripheral vision. * How exactly? Its a multi-tool that can attack effectivley from near-any angle or cqb range(long stab, mid ax, or close trip, or any combo really). Your naginata cant boast that, and your katana is shorter so reach advantage is there. *The longsword can definitely stab, at his joints at that. Also it has the advantage of both sides being sharp for parrying * Theoretically yes, however the face plate is right there up to his eyes, so its not nearly as bad as you think and not nearly bad enough to lose the samurai's location in the middle of a fight after already have engaged them. Also your expecting the samurai to not make his presence known with an arrow attempt(that will get stopped by the armor). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 * How exactly? Its a multi-tool that can attack effectivley from near-any angle or cqb range(long stab, mid ax, or close trip, or any combo really). Your naginata cant boast that, and your katana is shorter so reach advantage is there. *The longsword can definitely stab, at his joints at that. Also it has the advantage of both sides being sharp for parrying * Theoretically yes, however the face plate is right there up to his eyes, so its not nearly as bad as you think and not nearly bad enough to lose the samurai's location in the middle of a fight after already have engaged them. Also your expecting the samurai to not make his presence known with an arrow attempt(that will get stopped by the armor).*sighs* What makes you think the Samurai will allow all that to happen? Just think on it, one miss from the halberd vis sidestep, jumping over, or avoiding the kooking attempt, he can destroy it. Possible. The Katana can do the same to the Knight's armpits. Well, I thought the visor was big but I was wrong so the arrow's out, obviously. Also, stop assuming that I'm expecting, only suggestions. Samurais aren't stupid, he could potentially sneak up on him and such. Neither is the Knight stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheRandomBandit Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 I still gotta reread the other posts, but when the Samuari hit the helmet of the Viking. That was in the simulation, the simulation is just for us to enjoy. In real life the Viking would be hit in the face with that arrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND7 Posted June 2, 2010 Author Share Posted June 2, 2010 *Sighs* I'll do it now... Scots: Huns: Claymore Hun SwordSquarehead Axe DaggerEttrick Bow BowsJavelin Javelin If you are dissatisfied with the Scot's weaponry, you can choose different ones here, http://sites.scran.ac.uk/weapon/Content/Javelin/Content.html They also provide some information on the weapons. They have similar weaponry... Sorry to make you have to do this much work Eth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheRandomBandit Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Omg! So much to read from you all. The Katana was never tested against the Spartan armor. That was his Najanata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Sorry to make you have to do this much work Eth. No, just Trig... and Regents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest He who fights monsters Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 I'd say the Samurai, but narrowly. Kanabo vs Morning Star...I'd give the edge to the Kanabo. A huge club can crack the knight open like an egg. The only reason why the Spartan wasn't crackable is because it was very big. The pressure (force divided by area) was not enough to penetrate because the huge force of the Kanabo was negated by the huge area of the shield. The knight won't be as fortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND7 Posted June 2, 2010 Author Share Posted June 2, 2010 I would have to say that the knight wins it: The slashing weapons(katana and naginata) of the samurai are next to useless against the outer plate armor of the knight which can stop the attacks. I dont know where the argument for a stabbing katana came from, but even if it could get through the joints its not a kill dominating weapon(like the twin hooks or spartan shield), and if we are going deadliest warrior then "he can get the kill", doesnt mean that the samurai can shrug off the crossbow, halberd and mace and close in for a precise neck shot. The yumi isnt getting an eye shot here, long as the knights visor stays down. Joint shots may be possible, but the leather underarmor could definitely slow the attack right there. The kanabo is the samurais best bet for armor breaking, however using it they lose their precious speed advantage, and possibly be slower on the draw than the halberd . The knights mace and halberd are the big killers here for him: the mace is gonna tear whatever it hits right off(helmets,heads,etc.), but everyone is downplaying the halberd to my annoyance. That thing is a multi-tool; it can hook, stab, and slice. A good trip-up with the hook side followed by a stab through the neck or open face with the pike-end and thats all she wrote. PS:I could send u some good ideas, if u got room in your inbox ND? Sure Kev. But just send them all at once because I got 73 messages.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheRandomBandit Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Longsword Morning star Crossbow Halberd Samurai's Weapons:KantanaKanaboYumiNaginta LongSword vs Katana. From that video Most def Katana. CrossBow vs Yumi I would call even.Naginta vs Halberg I would say even as well. They are basically the same.Moringstar vs Kanabo. Kanabo easy. It would destroy that armor. I say Samuari would win. Like I said though, it would be very close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Oh, so the Kanabo is much more destructive than the Morning Star? Cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheRandomBandit Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Oh, so the Kanabo is much more destructive than the Morning Star? Cool... Lol, duh! A huge war club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Lol, duh! A huge war club!Sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinDWolf93 Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 * *Sigh* yourself. What makes y ou think that the Knight would let his halberd be destroyed? Its much more versatle and armor effective than anything in the samurais arsenal..as such he is very good w/ it. youll have to do alot better than "he breaks it with his sword" to take it out of the running.,..also theyre nothing alike *Them testing against naginata is better than testing against the katana. The naginata had more force behind it and it only dented...the bronze chest plate. Also lest we forget Vs viking test where the almighty katana did jack against CHAINMAIL. *Umm, yeah....your kanabo>morning star has no logic behind it. The mace is much more compact and wieldy than the BFC. Also keep in mind the wielders: A feudal japananese samurai probably didnt pass 5'4, 180 lbs(Im being leniant with those estimates). Now while a french knights height is a up for debate as well he was probably bulkier w/ the armor conditioning and for his weapon he just needed constant motion(something I think the samurai wants no piece of) to keep it deadly. The samurai wielding the kanabo needed both hands and his full strength to get the damn thing going...stopping is another issue. One wrong move and its lights out, Samurai. See Im thinking club<<wreching ball... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 * *Sigh* yourself. What makes y ou think that the Knight would let his halberd be destroyed? Its much more versatle and armor effective than anything in the samurais arsenal..as such he is very good w/ it. youll have to do alot better than "he breaks it with his sword" to take it out of the running.,..also theyre nothing alike *Them testing against naginata is better than testing against the katana. The naginata had more force behind it and it only dented...the bronze chest plate. Also lest we forget Vs viking test where the almighty katana did jack against CHAINMAIL. *Umm, yeah....your kanabo>morning star has no logic behind it. The mace is much more compact and wieldy than the BFC. Also keep in mind the wielders: A feudal japananese samurai probably didnt pass 5'4, 180 lbs(Im being leniant with those estimates). Now while a french knights height is a up for debate as well he was probably bulkier w/ the armor conditioning and for his weapon he just needed constant motion(something I think the samurai wants no piece of) to keep it deadly. The samurai wielding the kanabo needed both hands and his full strength to get the damn thing going...stopping is another issue. One wrong move and its lights out, Samurai. See Im thinking club<<wreching ball...Because it can be destroyed. And it could be. Its made of wood. Katana can cut through the wood part. Did they slash the chainmail or stab it? Mh, the mace has a weakness, its links, catch it with say.... the katana and yank it out of the knight's hands? The Kanabo as you said would have to be wielded with two hands and thus won't be taken out as easy. Again, the samurai's faster... and they're not exactly weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinDWolf93 Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Because it can be destroyed. And it could be. Its made of wood. Katana can cut through the wood part. Did they slash the chainmail or stab it? Mh, the mace has a weakness, its links, catch it with say.... the katana and yank it out of the knight's hands? The Kanabo as you said would have to be wielded with two hands and thus won't be taken out as easy. Again, the samurai's faster... and they're not exactly weak. The Naginata could be destroyed, however you may argue its too fast to be caught by a blade...well same here *They slashed..,however I find it intresting why the expert with a lineage,experience, and training didnt attempt a stab. The curved blade is very cumbersome for stabbing. The angle needed for the pointy end aint a cake walk...counting the moving curved plate it has to go through=glanceing blow city *.......Do you realize how horrible an idea that is!?! Trying to disrupt a thick chain with a big spiked weight at the end... Do you know about centrivical force? Thats move is a good way to: get disarmed of your own weapon(whatever you tried to catch it with being yanked from your hand via forces), bust your own hand(via either the thick chain crushing your now caught hand or force of your own weapon being forced from your hand), get your arm caught by the chains(which the wielder could be holding still...either way your arms weighed down by a big spike ball) leaving you at the wielders mercy, and to top it off still possibly get a big spiked weight flying at you. *Also while that may be the case, good luck countering with the hunk of wood bigger than you. One wrong move and the samurais wide open(all they need) for the knight to(quoting the zulu expert here) "impale him" *so is the knight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 The Naginata could be destroyed, however you may argue its too fast to be caught by a blade...well same here *They slashed..,however I find it intresting why the expert with a lineage,experience, and training didnt attempt a stab. The curved blade is very cumbersome for stabbing. The angle needed for the pointy end aint a cake walk...counting the moving curved plate it has to go through=glanceing blow city *.......Do you realize how horrible an idea that is!?! Trying to disrupt a thick chain with a big spiked weight at the end... Do you know about centrivical force? Thats move is a good way to: get disarmed of your own weapon(whatever you tried to catch it with being yanked from your hand via forces), bust your own hand(via either the thick chain crushing your now caught hand or force of your own weapon being forced from your hand), get your arm caught by the chains(which the wielder could be holding still...either way your arms weighed down by a big spike ball) leaving you at the wielders mercy, and to top it off still possibly get a big spiked weight flying at you. *Also while that may be the case, good luck countering with the hunk of wood bigger than you. One wrong move and the samurais wide open(all they need) for the knight to(quoting the zulu expert here) "impale him" *so is the knight...The Knight's not fast, the samurai's faster, the knight's at least stronger. The Pike is at least slower than the Katana... Not really. The second it wraps around your blade, yank away, diverting all that force elsewhere. Its happened before. And the pike is like a spear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinDWolf93 Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 The Knight's not fast, the samurai's faster, the knight's at least stronger. The Pike is at least slower than the Katana... Not really. The second it wraps around your blade, yank away, diverting all that force elsewhere. Its happened before. And the pike is like a spear? *Your underestimating a knight...thats bad. He isnt slower by much. Your making it out to be like he cant move at all. Though yes he is stronger... *not with something the size of a morning star Ill bet...Your plunging your blade into a very fast moving, very heavy object. The chain is very short...You wouldnt have a milisecond to react before all the weight and kinetic energy wrapped(possibly destroying whatever disrupted the energy).around the target...noone's that fast, and thats not a place you wanna be as the one who can do the yanking better is the one holding the right end of the chain(the bigger,stronger knight). *Id call it about even...though again, what can he do w/ a katana before being impaled on the pike end, or disarmed/tripped on the hook end? *A pike is like a spear yes...however a halberd is a pike,ax, and hook rolled into one...and would be moving faster not on the samurai's cue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 *Your underestimating a knight...thats bad. He isnt slower by much. Your making it out to be like he cant move at all. Though yes he is stronger... *not with something the size of a morning star Ill bet...Your plunging your blade into a very fast moving, very heavy object. The chain is very short...You wouldnt have a milisecond to react before all the weight and kinetic energy wrapped(possibly destroying whatever disrupted the energy).around the target...noone's that fast, and thats not a place you wanna be as the one who can do the yanking better is the one holding the right end of the chain(the bigger,stronger knight). *Id call it about even...though again, what can he do w/ a katana before being impaled on the pike end, or disarmed/tripped on the hook end? *A pike is like a spear yes...however a halberd is a pike,ax, and hook rolked into one...He is slower than the Samurai is what I'm saying, I'm not saying hes slow. Okay as soon as it wraps around you can yank it out of the Knight's hand as he would not suspect it. And The Samurai would be using two hands on the blade.... where the knight usuallys only uses one hand. And it has to be long because if it was short, it wouldn't have length.... Again whos to say the Samurai's going to let that happen? And its cumbersome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinDWolf93 Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 He is slower than the Samurai is what I'm saying, I'm not saying hes slow. Okay as soon as it wraps around you can yank it out of the Knight's hand as he would not suspect it. And The Samurai would be using two hands on the blade.... where the knight usuallys only uses one hand. And it has to be long because if it was short, it wouldn't have length.... Again whos to say the Samurai's going to let that happen? And its cumbersome. *Im saying his slowness is not by much... *I dont think he can overcome the forces from the initial hit and collision or react fast enough to take advantage of any kind of suprise...also the morningstar can be used two-handed(or w/ shield.Even then he could grasp w/ it being the shield that loops around arm *My thoughts exactly on the halberd being destroyed. The samurai isnt gonna be able to see where its coming from.... Again, he's this close...what next? Hes got ju jitsu and katana...knight has halberd,morning star and sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 *Im saying his slowness is not by much... *I dont think he can overcome the forces from the initial hit and collision or react fast enough to take advantage of any kind of suprise...also the morningstar can be used two-handed(or w/ shield.Even then he could grasp w/ it being the shield that loops around arm *My thoughts exactly on the halberd being destroyed. The samurai isnt gonna be able to see where its coming from.... Again, he's this close...what next? Hes got ju jitsu and katana...knight has halberd,morning star and sword.If hes close enough to touch the Knight, the length of the Halberd negates its effectiveness. Same with the Morning Star as that potentially could end up hitting him as well like rebound. He would be able to see where its coming from, otherwise I could say the same thing about the Naginta. THe Sword would not be effective against the Samurai's armor as its like in that link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheRandomBandit Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Their was a Samuari who did nothing but train with Kanabos and that is all he used. - Fun fact. The Halberg is not that great. Now your underestingmating the Samuari. The Naginata and Halberg would be dead even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheRandomBandit Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Check this out everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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