Pirate vs Apache

[ND7]

As you all must know the previous battle ended with the Knight's victory over the Samurai.

 

How it went: The Knight and Samurai had both looked at each other with nothing but rage and determination in their eyes. The battle began when the Knight took out his Crossbow and shot a arrow at the Samurai who barley managed enough to just let the arrow pierce his shoulder.

 

The Samurai quickly pulled out the arrow and pulled out his Yumi and then shot a couple arrows at the Knight only to have them barley make a scratch on the Knight's plate armor. The Knight then was about to shoot with his Crossbow but it got broken when too many arrows from the Yumi rendered it useless.

The Knight then pulled himself over the bar counter and took out his Halberd and charged at the Samurai who foolishly tried blocking with the wooden Yumi only to get it cut in two.

 

The Samurai then did a back flip and got out his Katana and clashed with the Knight's Halberd and after pushing the Knight back for one but maybe battle changing move were the Samurai cut the part of the Halberd that was wooden and sliced it in two. The Knight then quickly knocked the Samurai over the counter and into the Glasses. The glasses fell onto the Samurai who only thanks to his helmet didn't get any glass in his eyes.

 

But the Knight wasn't done yet because he had taken out his most destructive weapon which was the Morning Star. The Knight raised it over his head but before he could bring it down the Samurai had taken out the weapon that might prove deadly to the Knight. This was the Kanabo which after blocking the MS with it, hit the Knight dead smack in the ribs with the Kanabo.

 

The blow must have done some damage because the Knight gasped as he fell to the ground holding the side of his ribs that were struck. The Kanabo besides leaving bruised or maybe even broken ribs had left a huge dent in the Plate Armor. In all of this chaos though the Samurai had lost his helmet when dodging the MS so his head was unprotected. The Knight saw this and took advantage of it by taking out his Longsword and after using his left arm to take the blow from the Kanabo shoved the Longsword into the Samurai's throat.

 

The Japanese warrior gagged and stumbled before falling over onto a table dead like all the others who dare challenged the Knight.

 

Now for the third battle which has the mischievous Pirate fighting the sneaky Apache.

 

Battle Area : Underground Subway Station(They can also fight on or in the Subway itself.)

 

Apache: Tomahawk, Six Shooter (Thank you Trech for providing the info for this), Bone Knife, War Club

 

Pirate: Flintlock Pistol, Musket, Blunderbuss, Cutlass.

[Guest TheRandomBandit]

Nice story. I will wait for further comments before debating this.

[Guest KevinDWolf93]

Yes it does make sense that they would have some old cap n ball(Im assuming thats the type) revolvers taken off cowboys.Good call, indeed.

 

The subway being a big, dark place the apache definitely has the advantage with sneak attacks. The pirates arsenal here is mostly firearms, which may have an advantage in range and overall killing potential, but seeing that misfires are a luring threat for him and the stealth advantage given earlier, I would say if Apache gets close the pirate who is armed only with the cutlass, is pretty screwed.

 

In terms of long range this one is pretty intresting as well: The pirates weapons could be prone to misfire, but thats why he'd be carrying around more than one. The revolver(again assuming its black powder or cap n ball) could misfire as well given the number of things that could go wrong(poor blasting caps,dud or damp powder,etc) with such a gun. However thats why there is more than one chamber and being one gun the apache could get off another shot faster than the pirate could, having to draw a new gun, if necessary. In terms of accuracy the best one here would be the blunderbuss, being a scattergun. The revolver would be pretty good, but I remember seeing(on wild west tech, but cant find a link to site) on how they could shoot a bit high if you dont compensate. The pirate would probably have more shots(multiple flintlocks, musket, AND the blunderbuss vs 6 shots out of a revolver..though Im assuming he'd only be armed with one), but accurate shots is a bit of a tossup.

 

Im leaning toward apache right now, but Ill hear other opinions...

[Indolent]

The Pirate has a rifle. He could just easily snipe the Apache.

[Guest KevinDWolf93]

The Pirate has a rifle. He could just easily snipe the Apache.

 

He could...if he could find him. Dark subway, lots of places to run and hide...the apaches forte. Plus since the muskets barrel isnt rifled(the grooves that give it a spin) he could miss a far shot even if he has a clear sight on the apache as the bullet could stray.

[Indolent]

He could...if he could find him. Dark subway, lots of places to run and hide...the apaches forte. Plus since the muskets barrel isnt rifled(the grooves that give it a spin) he could miss a far shot even if he has a clear sight on the apache.

Mh, interesting. Well, the plethora of guns on his person should be enough to overwhelm the Apache...

[Guest KevinDWolf93]

Mh, interesting. Well, the plethora of guns on his person should be enough to overwhelm the Apache...

 

Possible, though read my first post(just before yours), and thats my insight on everyones firearm weapons...

[575david]

six shooter and Apache's stealth gives him the win

[Skirmisher]

six shooter and Apache's stealth gives him the win

True, but when does Deadliest Warrior ever consider Stealth? If they did then the Ninja would have pwned the Spartan before he even knew there was a Ninja...

[Guest TheRandomBandit]

Also, remember the priate guns take awhile to reload.

[575david]

True, but when does Deadliest Warrior ever consider Stealth? If they did then the Ninja would have pwned the Spartan before he even knew there was a Ninja...

still six shooter

[Guest KevinDWolf93]

@575David- Plz see my analysis on the six shooter for rebuttal

 

@Skirmisher-This aint deadliest warrior 100%. ND specified an arena, and it gives a hide n seek element

 

@RandomBandit-The pirate carries around multiples of firearms, he wouldnt have to reload...not right away at least

[Indolent]

@575David- Plz see my analysis on the six shooter for rebuttal

 

@Skirmisher-This aint deadliest warrior 100%. ND specified an arena, and it gives a hide n seek element

 

@RandomBandit-The pirate carries around multiples of firearms, he wouldnt have to reload...not right away at least

He didn't exactly say that they weren't going to attack in a hide and sneak matter, just that they COULD. Since this is based off DW, their confrontation is direct unless ND7 says otherwise.

[Guest KevinDWolf93]

He didn't exactly say that they weren't going to attack in a hide and sneak matter, just that they COULD. Since this is based off DW, their confrontation is direct unless ND7 says otherwise.

 

Well lets see what ND says then...

[Indolent]

Well lets see what ND says then...

Exactly. Gotta cover all your bases.

[Guest TheRandomBandit]

Yep, I know had to state that though.

[ND7]

I'm here... well just so we can continue the debate just to make it fair for the Pirate but also fair for the Apache as well occansioly the Subway Lights will flicker on and off but the inside of the Subway Train itself is dark and the lights do not work in it.

 

Hope that clears everything up.

 

Also Kev the Revolver is Black Powder.

[Guest He who fights monsters]

IF the Apaches can give the US a run for the money, they can defeat a pirate.

[Guest KevinDWolf93]

I'm here... well just so we can continue the debate just to make it fair for the Pirate but also fair for the Apache as well occansioly the Subway Lights will flicker on and off but the inside of the Subway Train itself is dark and the lights do not work in it.

 

Hope that clears everything up.

 

Also Kev the Revolver is Black Powder.

 

Cool, so my stealth, and misfire argument is still valid? Also, just one revolver right,6 shots?

[ND7]

Cool, so my stealth, and misfire argument is still valid? Also, just one revolver right,6 shots?

Yes and yep.

[Indolent]

They scalp too.... RUN!

[ND7]

Kev....ya gonna keep debating or not?

[Guest KevinDWolf93]

Kev....ya gonna keep debating or not?

 

Noones rebuttaled my original statement, and Ive replied to everyone else's. Ill keep debating when theres something new to debate about...

[Indolent]

Noones rebuttaled my original statement, and Ive replied to everyone else's. Ill keep debating when theres something new to debate about...

The Pirate smells so bad it scares other people away.

[Nesh]

I'm going to give detailed anaysis based on weapons and setting here.

 

Weapon match ups:

 

Long Range

 

Flintlock pistol

Blunderbuss

Musket

 

vs.

 

Six shooter.

 

Mid Range:

 

Grenado

 

vs.

 

Tomahawk

 

Short Range:

 

Cutlass

 

vs.

 

Knife

Bone club

Tomahawk

 

Long Range comparission:

 

The Pirate is packing a lot of heat, a musket, Blunderbuss and up to six flintlocks vs one six shooter. We saw the six shooter in Jesse James vs Al Capone, and while a misfire is possible the chance is less than with the Pirates weapons and it's also more accurate a shot. Of course the Blunderbuss has the spread but the chance of misfire makes me give the Apache the edge for the faster, more reliable weapon.

 

Long Range Edge: Apache

 

Mid Range comparrission:

 

The Grenado has the spread but lighting the fuse gives away position. However if the Apache is in the blast radius he's more than likely toast. That said the Apache carries several tomahawks which are less likely to give a way position and be used to stealth while the pirate isn't will allow him to stay undetected while finding his opponent. This one goes down to who gets their shot off first.

 

Mid Range Advantage: Tie

 

Short range:

 

The cutlass is a long sword that gives the pirate the reach advantage here. The Apache bone club is a non factor here while the knife is good for stealth attacks and the Tomahawk is more frontal. That said even in this setting following Deadliest Warrior formula if it gets to close range your opponent has survived long and Mid ranged assaults and knows where you are. That said a long sword like the cutlass will prove very effective.

 

Short Range Advantage: Pirate

 

Final assessment: This fight will most likely me long or mid range meaning the Apache would get more kills in a 1000 battle sim on Deadliest Warrior. Winner: Apache